astrlsrfr

Not necessarily. I am wholeheartedly entertaining the buyback option w/ a repurchase of another RX-8, assuming I get a full refund. Here's why:

o My car is one of the "buggy" ones that gets horrendous MPG. 13ish MPGs are the norm for me. And, no I don't drive around with a brick on the accelerator. Potentially, this is just an issue with some early 8s, that Mazda is never going to acknowledge, but that they have quietly resolved. Obviously the hope here is to get a car that performs as well as my current car, but also that I can live with at the pump. (please, no flames if you are among the fortunate ones who do not experience this issue - its all been said before in other threads)

o I have regrets for not getting the NAV system installed. There's a reason why I didn't, but I still wished I had. Now, I get another to have an 8 w/ NAV.

o Other, unforseen issues are more likely to be resolved, the longer the car is on the market. I could potentially avert some of these problems.

o More aftermarket mods will be available, the longer the car is on the market.

o The MSRP of the RX-8s will likely drop somewhat do to all of this. Perhaps I can get a $500 debit card's worth of savings.

o I can change colors, if I want. I have silver, but kinda like titanium. I never got to see titanium until my car was already painted, so I was learly. However, the silveer has grown on me & I might just stay with that.

o I prefer do do all of my own maintenance anyways.

So, you see, cars are more complex than chicken tasting. I like alot about this car. But, there are some concerns which I might be able to address though the buyback. If I can - why not?

ggreen29

canzoomer: Unless you've got a whole lot more legal power (I was gonna say horsepower-heeheehee) than you seem to have, you're gonna have to accept the notion that you have two choices: fold or play. That's it, No Mas.

jcrewlitz

I'm wondering if this will affect new buyers of the car, will they get any bonuses for this misrepresentation. I plan on buying mine soon, but want to know if I'll getr any advantage for this, and if so what that will be and how I can get it.

ggreen29

jcrewetc: I think you're out of luck, or soon will be. There was a deadline to this deal and I believe it was ordering/receiving the car by today, or someting like that. At this point you know what the real HP is, so Mazda didn't mislead/lie in their dealings with you.

rxphink

Car prices are not based upon their HP numbers, this is something the "enthusiast comunity" needs to get through their heads. They are based on materials used and a cars build complexity. There is a reason a Ferrari costs $100+K and it's not because it has 400HP, It's because the car is made out of the finest material by hand. (And because it's got the prancing horse on the hood)

Average Joe Blow doesn't buy a car based upon it's HP #'s most people buy cars based upon: 1) Styling 2) Comfort 3) MPG 4) Driving Dynamics 5) and the all important magazine "expert" review (not in that order)

Enthusiasts are about 1% of the car buying public.

canzoomer

Legally speaking I believe you are correct, ggreen

However if a sufficient number of RX-8 owners are able to achieve some PR momentum to contact Mazda, the press, and so on, we might embarrass them sufficiently to get off the pot and try and FIX the problems.

At this point I think our biggest obstacle will be those who do not feel it is a problem, and go out of their way to harass those of us on the lists who are activists for a helpful response from Mazda.

I spoke with a lawyer yesterday about this whole mess, and his comments to me indicated that the big obstacle with the law in Canada is that to sue Mazda Canada for relief we would have to show damages from the false claims Mazda is asserting.

That is tough to do.
If the RX-8 was a freight truck, and we could show the lack of power diminished our load capacity it would be fairly simple.

Besides, legal action is always slow and expensive even when you have an iron clad case. That simply would not be the most effective way to encourage Mazda to come up with a more useful response.
The offer Mazda has made is precisely calculated to provide the absolute minimum response to derail legal avenues.

So, the legal route is not going to be of much help.

We have to go after them where it hurts: Bad PR resulting in loss of sales.

For those who are happy with the situation:
Congrats! enjoy your car, have a blast!
But please, how about you let those of us who are not happy have a discussion without the endless redundant comments to muddy the threads?

Please?

canzoomer

Very true, rxphink!

In this case many of us read reviews which were using cars and figures provided by Mazda.
These figures are now shown to be false.

In the one case where the reviewers noticed that the car had a problem the cars where immediately whisked away, and an excuse was made about "a sticking valve"

No documentation or evidence of this was ever provided by Mazda to substantiate the explanation.
Now we can see that this was merely a "smoke screen" they used at the time.

The fact is that at around 6,000rpm the engine has a serious problem.

We also need to hold the reviewers to task for their lack of follow-up on that problem.

DoobyWho

My dealer called to tell me about the debit card and said it would be in the mail shortly but wouldnt tell me anything about the buyback. He said it didnt exist. heh.

Skyline Maniac

You mean to tell me now the dealerships are lying to RX-8 owners as well? Sheesh, time to call BBB to file some more complaints. What a bunch of non-sense.

ggreen29

Then start a new thread for you windmill tippers.
If you've been around since last fall you would know that Mazda salespeople are some of the least informed people out there (excepting the Mazda guys on this forum). It's a sad company except for the engineers and designers.

Squidward

Tell me about it.. I had one guy at Browning Mazda tell me the car had 280+ horsepower.

Another guy at the Mazda dealership in HB tell me the car will do 0-60 "something like 5 seconds".... and proceeded to sell the car on the point that "in a few months" there will be aftermarket mods that will boost the HP to 350+ hp.. This is the same guy that tried to sell me the car with a 5000 markup, and agreed to bend th rules and take off 1500 (as if he was a saint)... heh..

canzoomer

Here is the topper:
A friend of mine, who ordered and deposited in December 2001, was supposed to finally get his yellow RX-8 today.

Got the phone call this afternoon.
Employee at the dealership was moving the car from the basement parking lot to the detailing area, prior to my friend picking it up.

Seems he ran it into a concrete pillar, taking out the front bumper, fender, etc..

Now my friend does not get his car.

They had the gall to offer to fix it for him.

Right.

A pre-crashed RX-8.

They did not even offer a discount for this service!

Oh hell, I will say it:

Weber Motors, Edmonton.

Quick_lude

Lol.. I think we can all concur that most, not all but most car dealers and their salespeople are quite "shady" and uninformed. This goes for most manufacturers, not just Mazda. The trick is to find a good one and then spread the word so that dealership gets the business they deserve for honest and informed staff, management and ownership.

eficht

thanks for the letter. i can't wait to give my car back.

eficht

big caution to the person who wants the nav sys
the controls are poorly postioned. my wrist is constantly hitting the buttons while my hand is resting on the stick. poor ergonomics.b

eccles

Some might say that that the root of that problem is the practice of not keeping both hands on the wheel, rather than the ergonomics of the controls. :p

khoney

What does this have to do with Mazda's letter, and why
are you complaining in this thread when you already complained in a different thread? In any case, I have the NAV system too, and I have no problems - but then, maybe I have a better technique for handling my stick! :D

TXs are Rex ate

get 500.00 plus 1250.


Off of the MSRP of a new RX8 with 1750.00 worth of more extras body kit, nav, spoiler , or 1750 worth of mazdasport stuff---

I think someone will figure out somehow to get back the HP in time...