rx8daniel

I appreciate the free service. really. and when I get the debit card I'm sure I'll appreciate that. but this morning my dealer had 2 cars sitting the lot that are discounted around $1800 off of MSRP. Of course they are GTs, one's an auto - but those who never heard of the RX-8 before today can go buy one and get a better deal than I did by paining myself for 18 months through the deposit preordering lowered expectations (HP), etc etc etc. It hurts. But there could be no replacing the enjoyment of having one of the first few to roll in to my state. But Mazda could have done better - or my dealer AND Mazda - for those dedicated of us who stuck it out and kept the car. SO... that reminds me - anyone heard of a materialization of that earlier rumor that Mazda would do or give us something as a bene for being those loyal and dedicated few?

mamccubbin

Mazda did give us something, a great car. And they also gave us the option to give it back if we so chose.

Winning_BlueRX8

Wishful thinking. Just let it go and enjoy the car. To quote Van Wilder, "Worrying is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it doesn't get you anywhere."

rx8daniel

I understand all that. It's been discussed to death , that we had the option. I know I had the option. And I kept it. However, had I given it back, I could get a similar car for +/- $1500 less and had 0 miles instead of nearly 8000. My point is more that I didn't get a discount from my dealer for being taking the first one off their hands instead of sitting around like the ones they have now and newbies to the rotary world can get a better deal than I did. I like the car. The other side of the coin is I got the color package and options I want. About the only other combination I would have been happy with would have been the sport pkg. Every one that my dealer has had that they just ordered for stock has been a GT - I've only seen one base 6speed anywhere and I think one other sport pkg (at a different MD dealer). It was a tradeoff and a risk buying at MSRP sight unseen. That's the other point. One of my dealer's stock cars has been driven hard because it has lots of bugs on the front end and heavy brake dust. I didn't get the benefit of that either. The first one I saw and touched was mine at delivery.

MyRxBad

iTrader: (1)

Welcome to buying a new car and new model!
It's all supply and demand, and when a new model comes out demand exceed supply 99.9% of the time!

Kev

You got to drive it earlier than most. You would have been able to figure out that it would get cheaper over time, new models always do.

blizz81

I think expecting anything more would be a little out of order at this point. That's like going back and trading the car in within a year, and saying "What, depreciation? That's not fair! I pre-ordered this thing! Can't you give me the same amount back as I paid for it, out of rewards for loyalty?"

If they gave anything else at this point, it'd be a T-shirt or a free tire rotation & oil change on top of the free service.

Winning_BlueRX8

I know man, I get all your points. But my point is, there is no point letting it beat you up now, after the fact. Can't do anything about it except to just let it go and try to keep it from bothering you. If Mazda gives you something for loyalty, great, if they don't, that's fine too. That's the mindset I'd want anyways. All my opinion of course.

bluesunlion

Early adopters always pay a premium. I'm sorry you have buyer's remorse. Go out and find some twisties to drive, it will make you feel better.

RotaryStalker

Wow... I see the logic.. I never thought of giving up the car on a buyback then buying one right after totally fresh and saving thousands of $.. Wonder if anyone here actually did that..

RotaryStalker

O.R.A.

How is this different than what happens to anyone that buys a brand new model right when it first comes out?

You just paid the "first kid in the block with an RX-8" premium.

allstate

I know how you feel but think of it this way...

We received a $500 debit card and free maintenance estimated at about $1,200. That's equivalent to receiving $1,700 off MSRP. Also, as a fellow 1st allocation driver, you must know how good it feels for all heads to turn as you drive down the road. The head turning will not last forever and I don't know about you but I'm glad to be an owner during the eary stages of the RX-8.

Quick_lude

Exactly. You really should have known that eventually the RX-8's will be selling below MSRP. You paid a premium to be one of the first owners with the colour and options of your choice. AND you had the option to give it back a few months after as per Mazda's offer. To come here now and cry about it is kinda pointless really.. isn't it? You have no one else to blame but yourself and should not expect anything more favours from Mazda. shrug

compaddict

I still have my first RX-8 with 7k miles and my new one should be here in two or three weeks.
I feel very comfortable getting a much newer car in the production cycle.
I think that Mazda got off very easy for those that took the 500 bucks.

Vince

dcfc3s

Just wait about 20 years and pick one up with a rough body and blown engine for $500 as a fixer-upper.

If you're gonna be the first on your block buying any sort of technology, you're gonna pay through the nose. Good thing is you got a helluva car, and not a Pinto.

Dale

rx8daniel

Rotary stalker : I know at least one person ordered their new one as they proceeded to do the buyback - it may have been compaddict - but it may have been someone else. I would never had bought a Pinto. Or a Mustang. Or a Probe. similar logic for "Or an MX-6". In fact, I'd prefer Ford didn't own so much of Mazda. For Mazda's sake,I hope they get their act together in Europe. At the same time I'm glad the allowed Mazda to continue producing rotary cars [remember the 7 was just discontinued last year in Japan]. Understand about premium for 'new kid on the block' and though I do not live in a 'car region' (not like Dallas or southern CA or Miami - I get few looks here - after all, as the tech who drove my car off the trailer said "it's just another car".). I expected prices to drop as Mazda plans to make this a volume car. I just didn't expect them to drop over 5% within 3 months (I picked mine up the 7th day [7/17]when they first came out [our friend in Seattle got the 1st one the Friday before]. That's surprising. Even the New Beetle's premium lasted about a year (in some locations). And my experience only relates to my dealer/city/state/region. YMMV. I don't spend nights awake remorsing or mourning my decision. It just hit hard when I saw the posted discount on a brand new car in the showroom and the one on the front space this morning - the day after wrestling with the service personnel and calling Mazda to call them to get my first free oil change free. Maybe I should just keep my gut reactions/ feelings to myself. I really enjoy the car - it is by far the best car I've ever owned and 10x better than the 1st gen RX7s which I thought were great for their time[and 10 or 15 years later too].

350 Formula

You must not be a business student. This is the case with all new items. The innovators (read you) always pay a lot more for a product. Then it starts to become common and by the end you have the trailers. So, when they come out with the RX7 or a new and better RX8, you will be able to get a current RX8 CHEAP.

I am one of those 'common' folk who wait until the glow wears off and the price comes down. Still waiting.....

RotaryStalker

I remember a lot of people here were predicting by this time you would be paying well over MSRP for the 8. I figured they'd be selling for less then MSRP by now...

RotaryStalker

allstate

I don't understand this logic. It's not like Mazda engineer's are going to say, "Oh no, you know those first 1,000 cars....we forgot to put then engine in!!" Trust me, in two months the production methods have not changed. If you are worried about the production cycle then just wait for next years model and then, MAYBE then, will Mazda change something on the vehicle.

pelucidor

As everyone says, this is always the case with a first year car, especially in the first few months. I got the 2nd IS300 ever sold in the USA (a week before they went on sale officially) - fully loaded and at MSRP I leased it for $535 a month. A year later the same lease was $399 a month with MORE equipment - that's almost a $4k difference (ouch!). But it felt good to park outside a BMW dealership next to a red Viper and have every employee pour out to mob my car on the 2nd day I owned it...

It costs a lot to be an early adopter - ask me how much I paid for one of the first 486, Pentium, PII and 1.4GHz Thunderbird (AMD) chips that would now come free with a box of cornflakes...

This is just a fact of life. Where you can perhaps feel some warranted grievance is that Mazda shipped unallocated cars before all the pre-orders were done, so those of us that paid the deposit and faithfully waited for 8 months did not have the 'benefit' (i.e. sole adulation and worship of the automotive masses ) of being the first ones on the road to make up for this 'extra' cost.

silver8

I just returned my car Wednesday and got the check. What I didn't realize is that the buy back inspection included throwing the car up on the rack. Not a problem though as aside from driving the hell out of the car, it was in perfect condition. I even got the oil changed at 2K miles even though I knew I was returning it. ANYWAY...

The service manager who had the paperwork for me to sign (and the check!!!) told me he had processed "quite a few" and what he often heard was that people were returning them because they had paid premiums (and perhaps to many [Daniel included?] MSRP is a premium) and felt they could get a better deal now.

Daniel, sorry you missed that opportunity. But, as everyone is saying, you do have a great car.

rx8daniel

Now you're getting close (pelucidor). I personally waited, give or take a few weeks, 4 years, 5 months, for the development, preordering program, production to begin, commencement of 'job1', etc etc etc. We (there are a few of us , maybe .5% of the general forum membership, probably .2%) had a deposit down for 1.5 years - 18 months. Most of you can't possibly identify with the mental part of the wait. I don't expect most to. It's one of those "travel a mile in my shoes" (or for 4 years) type of things. But for those who can understand, thanks.

update on my oil change today: 4.5 quarts they added, said it was a hair above the level where it was when I brought in. BS! I brought it in - I checked it .7 miles from the dealership - with the level .9 quarts low, midway between L and H. Now it's about 1/3" ABOVE 'H'. Over the flat part of the dipstick. that's a little part of what else we (the first owners of the first rotary here in 8 years) "get" to deal with.

tagS60

I get it. I wouldn't do it, but I get it.

What I DON"T get is someone who is willing to wait for 4 years and 5 months and puts down a deposit 18 months in advance.....and just a few months after the end of all that waiting is lamenting a $1,800 premium!!!!! Seems like if you could wait that long, you could have waited a few more months and gotten a better deal. But really, what did you expect?

It has always amazed me the premium first model year buyers are willing to pay to have the "new car on the block" for just a few months. Think about the idiots that paid premiums for the new Zs; now their everywhere!

Xyntax

Yikes! I could have been you! Good thing, I'm waiting.

BTW, who cares if you have driven the car earlier than most. If that gives you pride and glory or makes you feel you're a better person, then you my friend need accomplish more in your life coz you're too far behind. How sad

blizz81

Hate to apply the categorial imperative here, but just remember, if everyone subscribed to your logic and waited as you have, no 8's would ever be sold, and those waiting for prices to drop/initial problems to be experienced/etc would never get the chance to reap the benefits from those that wanted theirs before everyone else.