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05shinka 04-02-2009 08:44 PM

Do you hate speeding tickets?
 
Check this out....


http://www.k40.com/images/pdf/review...%20Article.pdf

Jon316G 04-02-2009 08:49 PM

If the cops can't read your speed, they're pull you over for having a radar/laser jamming device installed.
Easy solution... just don't speed.

imput1234 04-02-2009 08:53 PM

They can't pull u over for a radar, not in KY anywasy

mazdaverx7 04-02-2009 11:28 PM

let me put it to you this way as i'm a police officer and that whole tech article/gimmick is a load of crap. when using radar, it is not necessary to obtain a vehicle's speed by concentrating on the front license plate. the radar will pick up the speeding vehicle regardless if it has a front plate or not with no direct aiming necessary.

as far as using the laser unit, a front plate is not necesary either. you can aim at the grille, the headlight, bumper or any other front or rear end compnent and check the vehicle's speed. the laser unit does need to be aimed and is extremely vehicle specific and cannot be used when the patrol car is in motion.

and most importantly, speed limits are set for safety and based on demographics. excessive speeding is extremely dangerous and youself or someone else can be seriously injured or killed because of neglectful driving.

Ryoma-kun 04-02-2009 11:57 PM


Originally Posted by mazdaverx7 (Post 2949336)
let me put it to you this way as i'm a police officer and that whole tech article/gimmick is a load of crap. when using radar, it is not necessary to obtain a vehicle's speed by concentrating on the front license plate. the radar will pick up the speeding vehicle regardless if it has a front plate or not with no direct aiming necessary.

as far as using the laser unit, a front plate is not necesary either. you can aim at the grille, the headlight, bumper or any other front or rear end compnent and check the vehicle's speed. the laser unit does need to be aimed and is extremely vehicle specific and cannot be used when the patrol car is in motion.

and most importantly, speed limits are set for safety and based on demographics. excessive speeding is extremely dangerous and youself or someone else can be seriously injured or killed because of neglectful driving.

I think police officers have to go through some sort of brainwashing program before they get their badge. I don't know how things are in the US but atleast here the speed limits are WAY too low compared to road standard.

Jon316G 04-03-2009 12:05 AM

I feel that cops should have their cellphones banned.
Nothing pisses me off more than if I drive the safe "5 over the speed limit" rule and vehicles are passing me like crazy.
Then I see a cop ahead and people slamming on their brakes enough to where you see their front-end dip down.
I drive by wondering how the cop didn't see that only to see the A-hole on his cellphone!!!
And this happened to me THREE TIMES this week!!!

fastlaneracing 04-03-2009 12:21 AM


Originally Posted by Ryoma-kun (Post 2949363)
I think police officers have to go through some sort of brainwashing program before they get their badge. I don't know how things are in the US but atleast here the speed limits are WAY too low compared to road standard.

Norway has insane low speed limits. :banghead:

RotaryResurrection 04-03-2009 12:21 AM


Originally Posted by mazdaverx7 (Post 2949336)
let me put it to you this way as i'm a police officer and that whole tech article/gimmick is a load of crap. when using radar, it is not necessary to obtain a vehicle's speed by concentrating on the front license plate. the radar will pick up the speeding vehicle regardless if it has a front plate or not with no direct aiming necessary.

as far as using the laser unit, a front plate is not necesary either. you can aim at the grille, the headlight, bumper or any other front or rear end compnent and check the vehicle's speed. the laser unit does need to be aimed and is extremely vehicle specific and cannot be used when the patrol car is in motion.

I would agree with both of these statements.


and most importantly, speed limits are set for safety and based on demographics. excessive speeding is extremely dangerous and youself or someone else can be seriously injured or killed because of neglectful driving.
Aw now, come on man, why'd you have to go and do that? You ruined a perfectly honest and factual post with this propaganda. Speaking mostly of rural 2 and 4 lane roads, and interstates...most modern vehicles in good sound mechanical state, with a non-elderly driver, in non-inclement weather, paying due attention to their surroundings and looking ahead at signs/traffic/road conditions, are well capable of going 5-15mph over the posted speed limits in these areas with no negative consequences.

In fact, any accident I have ever been involved in, was in city areas where I was doing at or below the speed limit, but someone else used poor judgement and did something stupid. Barring a lapse in attention, severe mechanical breakdown such as a blowout (improper equipment) or something uncontrollable like a dog or deer in the road, there is little that can happen on the rural roads, yet they seem to be the more heavily enforced ones.

For instance, I made a 19 hour drive across TN/SC/NC yesterday. I never saw a single patrol in the city areas where accidents are likely and traffic heavy. I saw speed traps and patrols out on the MIDDLE OF NOWHERE areas that were flat, wide open, and sparsely travelled. Where do you think more accidents and property damage occur...rural highways or city streets? So why is the enforcement usually backwards then?

Ross_Dawg 04-03-2009 12:22 AM


Originally Posted by Jon316G (Post 2949369)
I feel that cops should have their cellphones banned.
Nothing pisses me off more than if I drive the safe "5 over the speed limit" rule and vehicles are passing me like crazy.
Then I see a cop ahead and people slamming on their brakes enough to where you see their front-end dip down.
I drive by wondering how the cop didn't see that only to see the A-hole on his cellphone!!!
And this happened to me THREE TIMES this week!!!

Same thing happened to me; I always see police on their phones on the side of the road. I almost never speed (bad experience) but when people fly by me and then I see a P.O. on the side of the road I'm like WTF? Oh it's okay, you're talking on your cell phone.

I seriously wish I could hand out citizens tickets when I see them DRIVING while talking on their cellphone :rant:

Alexb 04-03-2009 12:31 AM

Okay, without getting into a discussion about police behavior. The thing you posted, is that a jammer or detector? Because I assume jammer as it is mounted to the car itself, but it does not mention it as a jammer. Besides, why would you want something that doesn't jam lasers? The other stuff radar detectors can pick up 100's of yards away, but lasers are instant and often how people are ticketed.

nycgps 04-03-2009 12:59 AM


Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection (Post 2949388)
I would agree with both of these statements.



Aw now, come on man, why'd you have to go and do that? You ruined a perfectly honest and factual post with this propaganda. Speaking mostly of rural 2 and 4 lane roads, and interstates...most modern vehicles in good sound mechanical state, with a non-elderly driver, in non-inclement weather, paying due attention to their surroundings and looking ahead at signs/traffic/road conditions, are well capable of going 5-15mph over the posted speed limits in these areas with no negative consequences.

In fact, any accident I have ever been involved in, was in city areas where I was doing at or below the speed limit, but someone else used poor judgement and did something stupid. Barring a lapse in attention, severe mechanical breakdown such as a blowout (improper equipment) or something uncontrollable like a dog or deer in the road, there is little that can happen on the rural roads, yet they seem to be the more heavily enforced ones.

For instance, I made a 19 hour drive across TN/SC/NC yesterday. I never saw a single patrol in the city areas where accidents are likely and traffic heavy. I saw speed traps and patrols out on the MIDDLE OF NOWHERE areas that were flat, wide open, and sparsely travelled. Where do you think more accidents and property damage occur...rural highways or city streets? So why is the enforcement usually backwards then?

Cuz they know you will speed on rural highways, So they can give you a ticket, so the government gets more money !

Thats very true everywhere. Take NJ's Palestine(is that how to spell it, forgot) parkway. That road is wow so freaking god damn empty, but hey, 50 mph limit ? and guess what. There are TONS of cops camping there to catch people speed.

Shouldn't they go do something more meaningful ? seriously :(

kersh4w 04-03-2009 12:59 AM

younger cops use the laptop to check facebook and chat.

and yes i know this for fact.

our tax dollars at work folks.

Alexb 04-03-2009 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by kersh4w (Post 2949439)
younger cops use the laptop to check facebook and chat.

and yes i know this for fact.

our tax dollars at work folks.

As long as they aren't handing out bs speeding tickets or stupid stuff like your headlights are too bright, or (this is true of someone on this forum) that their car was "too low."

get on facebook all you want.

nycgps 04-03-2009 01:02 AM

^+1

cjkim 04-03-2009 01:04 AM


Originally Posted by Jon316G (Post 2949369)
I feel that cops should have their cellphones banned.
Nothing pisses me off more than if I drive the safe "5 over the speed limit" rule and vehicles are passing me like crazy.
Then I see a cop ahead and people slamming on their brakes enough to where you see their front-end dip down.
I drive by wondering how the cop didn't see that only to see the A-hole on his cellphone!!!
And this happened to me THREE TIMES this week!!!

you honestly think an EMERGENCY personnel like an officer should be banned from using cell phones? :banghead:
fail

TheBri 04-03-2009 01:12 AM


Originally Posted by mazdaverx7 (Post 2949336)
let me put it to you this way as i'm a police officer and that whole tech article/gimmick is a load of crap. when using radar, it is not necessary to obtain a vehicle's speed by concentrating on the front license plate. the radar will pick up the speeding vehicle regardless if it has a front plate or not with no direct aiming necessary.

as far as using the laser unit, a front plate is not necesary either. you can aim at the grille, the headlight, bumper or any other front or rear end compnent and check the vehicle's speed. the laser unit does need to be aimed and is extremely vehicle specific and cannot be used when the patrol car is in motion.

True.

However these work really well at letting you know well before hand when a radar unit is being used and work extremely well at shifting the lasers. They can be found on eBay for about $700 and are easy to install yourself if you have tools and a good solid day of time to devote.

636 04-03-2009 01:20 AM


Originally Posted by Jon316G (Post 2949369)
I feel that cops should have their cellphones banned.
Nothing pisses me off more than if I drive the safe "5 over the speed limit" rule and vehicles are passing me like crazy.
Then I see a cop ahead and people slamming on their brakes enough to where you see their front-end dip down.
I drive by wondering how the cop didn't see that only to see the A-hole on his cellphone!!!
And this happened to me THREE TIMES this week!!!

Well , next time when u see a cop on his cell phone , haul ass and burn rubber :). Maybe he will let u go hehe.

StevieD561 04-03-2009 01:21 AM

i can't speed in my car, it's too slow.

Jon316G 04-03-2009 02:02 AM


Originally Posted by cjkim (Post 2949446)
you honestly think an EMERGENCY personnel like an officer should be banned from using cell phones? :banghead:
fail

Umm... speaking as a former "EMERGENCY personnel"... YES
fail


Originally Posted by 636 (Post 2949463)
Well , next time when u see a cop on his cell phone , haul ass and burn rubber :). Maybe he will let u go hehe.

No, I will be the one he does happen to pull over.

RotaryP7 04-03-2009 08:41 AM

It's true on some roads, the speed limit is too low.. The express way here in Miami.. 55 mph limit. A 5 lane highway, some parts it goes as low as 45 mph then jumps to 60 mph. I'd like to see the traffic when we all go 45 mph on the highway..

DubbsLuvs8s 04-03-2009 08:48 AM

Speed limits are designated for most roads based upon a factor of safety that a typical vehicle can drive under bad weather conditions (likely 10-15% FOS). Realistically, cars can safely navigate at higher speeds (typically, not true in all places, where the speed limit is 75 or so)

However, in certain areas where the speed limit is 55 (NYS highways) the reason the limit is so low was for energy conservation implemented during the gas crisis. Fuel efficiency (especially when the law was implemented) drops severly above 55-60 mph. They just haven't updated the laws with the economic situation....probably based on the income they would lose from raising the limit.

RX8-Frontier 04-03-2009 08:53 AM

Speed limits are politically based. They *can* be safety based, as in, if there have been numerous crashes on a stretch of highway, lowering the speed limit is one way to potentially reduce them, but at the end of the day, it's a political call, as there is no definitive engineering proof that a lowered speed limit reduces crashes; it's a good assumption based on practice, but it isn't a proven fact.

And as for design speed of the roadways...depends on its classification & purpose. Most interstate designs are most definately NOT designed for 65, 70, or 75 mph. The curves are, but that's another issue entirely...Curve speed design is based off whatever the most common every-day car is...think Honda Civic and Toyota Camry... The design is based on estimated friction of THAT type of vehicle.

And in practice, the suggested speed for a curve, if it's "field tested", means renting a Honda Civic/Toyota Camry (or similiar), putting a fancy smancy hi-tech device like this one and driving the curve at increasing speeds until the fancy indicator gives a particular degree of inclination... AKA: if you have any vehicle nicer than a "typical family/small 4-door car", those recommended speed limit signs mean virtually nothing to you...

Seriously... the design of a highway and the speed limit very rarely have anything to do with one another, and the difference between them gets bigger and bigger the better vehicle you have. Speed limits are political, plain and simple.

Shnifty 04-03-2009 09:05 AM

Some cops are great and some cops are jerks. One time I got caught going 22 over and weaving between cars and the cop said "nice car, I'll remember what it looks like so don't do it again."

Camping on interstate highways in the middle of nowhere will always be their money maker so don't expect them to stop.

Greenblurr93 04-03-2009 09:13 AM

Back on topic... I have the k40 installed in my car since radar detectors and laser diffusers are still legal here. I love it and HIGHLY recommend it to everyone. I've personally tested it with friends who are police officers and the laser diffuser portion worked flawlessly every time... they could not get a speed on my car until i was passing them and the diffuser was past the laser gun. the radar detection works well and if you're in a group of cars. it gives enough warning for you to slow down so the cop when he looks wont think you were the one who was leading the pack. I don't drive like an idiot but like 99% of the rest of us... i speed on the highway when it is safe to do so.

05shinka 04-03-2009 09:15 AM

Wow... looks like I really started a debate.... I only posted because i thought it was interesting...


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