jsh1120

Try watching the movie again. And keep in mind that his parents didn't pay $30K for his "Red Ryder Air Rifle with a compass in the stock."

InvisibleMonkey

it's hard to get me mad...i just have an attitude

and why wouldn't i get defensive? if i truly believe in something, you think that i shouldn't go after it or defend it? it's like hitting someone and expecting them not to hit back, even if they don't hit back after the first time, they will eventually...i saw it as an attack, and i defended myself...so, yeah, i got defensive

and being mature involves just sitting there? maturity can also be stating an opinion, even if it's going to be rejected by most of the people hearing it, and if people say something to oppose it, you can also defend your opinion.

thank you to the people that have defended me, and even some people who didn't agree with me, but were sill nice about it

InvisibleMonkey

1st of all...thankyou for not being a butt
2nd of all, i see where you're coming from...but my only other option is my mom's '98 or '99 elantra(don't remember what year) and it's an automatic, i want to drive all manual's...my dad has a manual, but parents are divorced...and so on...so i'll learn on my mom's car, then use it until i get my car...btw, the laws here say that you get a permit at 16, cinderella licence at 17, then full licence at 18...so i won't get it(the car) for a year or two

TEW Rotors

I'm late to add to this thread, but I guess I'll add my $.02 since everyone else is.

My first car was '74 Nova. This was 1986 and it cost me $200. Do you think I drove it sensibly? No freakin' way. I drove the hell out of that car, and as fast as I could. Did it matter that it was a beater? Not in the least. I even tend to lean the other way - I think I drove it harder because it was a POS.

The point is, teenagers will drive how they drive. The car they're in doesn't matter. If I were 16 again and my parents were gonna help me buy a car, I'd go for the 8, too.

BlueFrenzy

So you rep must really stink since you don't have any car right now. So now you admit this is a popularity contest??? That's mature. Regardless of age, I still don't want any INEXPERIENCED driver plowing into me ... it's just more dangerous with a powerful car.

Seriously though, get the experience in driving first. If the Pope or Queen of England didn't know how to drive, I'd want to stay the hell away from them no matter how responsible/moral/etc they are. It's not a knock at your age that most of us are trying to get across.

nomopistons

Your response is just why I would not trust to be on the road with you driving. Most of us remember being your age or, like myself, had a daughter your age. You sound and have the logic of a 15 yr old. Dude you suffer from Page Rage. Stick to a new Schwinn Stingray You can't kill with it.

Hellbreed

When I read your post I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but as the thread went on you eventually showed immaturity and confessed to having an attitude. It is quite clear that your attitude is negative therefore by definition:

Attitude: An arrogant or hostile state of mind or disposition.

I'd say this makes you a candidate for road rage.

You are not showing any evidence that you should be behind the wheel of any car let alone a sportscar. Personally I don't care if your parents buy you an Enzo or the RX-8, you don't have the experience to drive either SAFELY, not now and not at 18. Once you understand that and accept it you are on the road to being responsible.

Enjoy the 8, it's a great car.

InvisibleMonkey

i'm glad someone finally brought that up...no matter what car i'm in, i'll drive how i want(just like anyone else in the world that drives)...if i wanna drive fast, i'll drive fast, if i wanna drive slow, i'll drive slow, if i don't wanna drive, i can get a ride from a friend...but i'm not going to drive at 90mph all the time, i mean, my stepdad had a '92 dodge stealth, and he was on an empty highway(he was in his late 30's) and he took it to the redline...once, no harm in that...empty highway, noone got hurt...i'm 90% sure that most if not all of the people on this forum have tested their RX-8...yeah, i'm a stupid teenager, adults have no idea how to reason with us(unless they agree with us) but you know what, i'm sure people have had similar issues...but don't hate me for liking a car

and...this morning they called on the lousspeaker "there's a maroon mercedes parked in spot #...., licence plate #....., with their headlights on"(it's a mercedes SLK 350)

Pkskull77

What school do you go to?

InvisibleMonkey

first of all, you said it yourself, i showed maturity until later in the posts, but you honestly think that everyone here has been very mature?

and it's posts like yours that made me angry...you talk like you own the world...an i'll admit, i talk before i think, but also take into consiteration 1) how excited i am to drive 2) how i can't wait to drive so i don't need to wake up at 5:30 every morning and 3) (most importantly) how much i want my first car and i come here asking a simple question, and it gets thrown back in my face...and you expect me to be mature about it? i'm 15, not 37, i can't be mature about every single aspect of life(i can see the quotes now) but i can be for most

InvisibleMonkey

Holy Cross, where do you go?

nomopistons

It seems like you are in need of a status symbol. Bling

Isn't there one of the 11 commandments that states, "Do not covet thy neighbors car"?

If you get the car at 18 like you say, you won't be at Holy Cross at that point, so why worry about what others have or what was said over the loud speaker.

With your immature attitude, that loudspeaker might be telling the school when your funeral is.
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InvisibleMonkey

uhh...thanks?

124Spider

I know it's casting pearls before swine, but, having three of my own, I have a huge soft spot for kids. So I will point out that it will be years, and a lot of high performance driver education, before you will be able to test the limits of an RX-8, or any performance car. You will very quickly find your limits as a driver, as you spin off some "back road out there," but that is because you will have exceeded your driving ability, not because you will have found the limits of the car.

InvisibleMonkey

i mean speed, acceleration, and braking, not handling...there isn't enough room for that

124Spider

And so you're blasting down that back road at 100mph, which the RX-8 will do easily, and (i) you hit some gravel or standing water, or (ii) you hit a curve, or (iii) someone comes out a driveway, or (iv) you come over a rise and, bingo, there's an old lady driving 30mph, or any of a million other things, and you're dead, and so may someone else be.

The track is the only responsible, safe place for this sort of thing, and only after you have had high performance driver education. Do a Google search on James Dean, another young man who thought he could drive a nice sports car--a Porsche--at high speeds in a rural area without risk.

124Spider

Do you really believe that the car they drive doesn't matter? Sure, a kid will flog whatever car he's in, but there's a big difference, in danger to driver and others, between a kid flogging a 1970 VW Bug and an RX-8. "Flogging" a low-powered beater means trying to get up the hill; flogging a performance car means a lot more, and a lot more danger. I'm sure my kids have pushed the 1997 Hyundai Elantra I let them drive, but I worry a lot less about what trouble that can cause, for them and for others, than if it were a Porsche 997.

blksf8

^^^how do you keep your kids from driving the s2k and 8? and don't tell me that you have a biometric reader in both cars so only you can start them.

InvisibleMonkey

do you know of any tracks in NJ?

Aoshi Shinomori

There is ATCO raceway, and Raceway Park. I'm not quite sure of any others but I am sure there are many more. Do a search on google, I'm sure you'll find something.

124Spider

The kids know that, assuming they survived the joy ride, they would wish that they hadn't.

Seriously, we have good kids, and I have no reason to think they would steal our cars, since they're smart, and they know that they would lose a great deal more than they possibly could gain. They know that they have charmed lives, as much as they may grumble about their parents, and they really don't want to blow that.

They get an occasional chance to drive them, with us in the car. When I got the S2000 last summer, my son and I did a high performance driver's ed course, which was both very educational and a blast. He got to do afternoon lapping with the S afterward, with a professional driver in the car as his instructor. He and I have done a couple of autocrosses, too. All this is good; it's as safe as possible, and it really does teach advanced car control. Kids will do what kids will do, and I think it's only wise to get them properly educated, so that they can be as safe as possible about it. He's also about to turn 21, which is a world of difference from being 16, although not by any means out of the woods.

My wife and elder daughter will do HPDE this summer with the RX-8, which will be a lot of fun for both of them, and will also teach both of them very valuable things.

I'm not really a tyrant; I just love my kids enough to say "No" on appropriate occasions.

Hellbreed

I never said that everyone here has shown maturity, but there have been those that have given you advice and rather then thank them for it you throw it back in their face. The only people you have thanked are those that agree with you, and there has not been that many.

No need to get angry about my post, I did not make any comments in regards to your parents or your families financial situation. All I commented on was you based on the persona you are creating of yourself in this thread.

You think I talk like I own the world? for your information it's called experience and once you have it you'll be telling another 15 year old the exact same thing.

InvisibleMonkey

i got angry because of the way you put it, it just seemed rude, like most of the other ones, and i did thank someone that didn't agree with me, but be wasn't rude about the way he said it...i don't remember what page it was on

graphicguy

Putting all the comments about your age aside, whether you should pay for it yourself, responsibility, etc......

My biggest concern would be the lack of driving experience. An RX8 is a very fast car with very big capabilities. That's probably not the car you'd want to gain experience with.

For no other reason than your personal safety (the RX8 itself is a very safe and reliable car), but flinging around a 3,000 lb projectile that has such high capabilities, with little or no experience wouldn't be something an inexperienced driver should do. I'd hope your parents would realize this, too....regardless of their financial means. I'd say the same thing if your automtive desires were pinned on a 350Z, S2000, Mustang GT, etc. These are not cars you'd want in the hands of an inexperienced driver.

The capabilities are so high in an RX8 that it will impart a level of invincibility that will prove dangerous for the inexperienced driver.

There's nothing wrong with wanting one, however. They're obviously very desireable cars.

As someone else posted, get yourself a well used Corolla or Civic. Get some driving experience under your belt with one of those for a few years. They are very forgiving cars and short of wrecking one, they'll be dependable. Once you get some experience in all sorts of driving scenarios, then consider an RX8.

I've been drving for a couple of decades and still am surprised at the sriving scenarios I encounter on a daily basis.

You will thank us for the advice, your parents will thank us and those you share the road with will thank us.

Come back in 3-4 years and ask that same question and you'll get more information than you'll possibly want regarding the RX8.

InvisibleMonkey

...is it possible to put a governor on it, rofl