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08-17-2006, 12:09 PM
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Well I found a 04 RX8 that I thought was a good deal. I guess the saying is true.
It was a theft recovery in Oregon. Just called the private seller and he said "oh I guess I should have told you that" Then he states that any car in the state of Oregon that is stolen gets a rebuilt/salvage title? Owner gets paid out but the car cant be re-insured in that state. It was then moved to Washington and sold to a new owner. He then purchased it and brought it to BC.
Anyone from that area can confirm this?
The 8 it self looks good and drives just as good. All the body lines are awesome and no signs of over spray. There are only 15000km on it (9300 miles)
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It was a theft recovery in Oregon. Just called the private seller and he said "oh I guess I should have told you that" Then he states that any car in the state of Oregon that is stolen gets a rebuilt/salvage title? Owner gets paid out but the car cant be re-insured in that state. It was then moved to Washington and sold to a new owner. He then purchased it and brought it to BC.
Anyone from that area can confirm this?
The 8 it self looks good and drives just as good. All the body lines are awesome and no signs of over spray. There are only 15000km on it (9300 miles)
Thanks
Carfax report
08-17-2006, 06:57 PM
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I have never heard of a stolen vehicle getting a rebuilt/salvage title and no longer being insurable in the state!!! I think it's a load of BS.
My dad had his truck stolen from a hotel parking lot a few years back. It was found a few hours later with all his stuff stolen out of the back of it (on his way back from working out of town). They didn't change his title on even though it had been damaged when it was stolen. He was still able to insurance it. I've known several people at various times or another that have had their vehicle stolen and recovered and have never said this happened to them and they have been drivign them around. If they were uninsurable in the state they wouldn't be able to drive them since Oregon requires insurance on ALL vehicles. A lady at work had her car stolen three weeks ago. It was recovered, she's driving it around, no mention of anything like that happening to the title or anything. I'm pretty sure she would have told us that also, since she told us the rest of the story.
More likely is that it was stolen in Oregon, taken to Washington to retitle so it wouldn't turn up as stolen, so they could then resell it. Not quite sure about the salvage title, though.
There was some story in the paper a couple months ago of some guy that had his car stolen over 30 years ago and it had been returned to him just recently. Since it was stolen it had been retitled in Washington and sold a few different times. Somebody in Oregon bought it and when he went to title in here in Oregon it was still listed as stolen in the DMV database so the police confiscated it and have since returned it to the guy that originally owned it.
My dad had his truck stolen from a hotel parking lot a few years back. It was found a few hours later with all his stuff stolen out of the back of it (on his way back from working out of town). They didn't change his title on even though it had been damaged when it was stolen. He was still able to insurance it. I've known several people at various times or another that have had their vehicle stolen and recovered and have never said this happened to them and they have been drivign them around. If they were uninsurable in the state they wouldn't be able to drive them since Oregon requires insurance on ALL vehicles. A lady at work had her car stolen three weeks ago. It was recovered, she's driving it around, no mention of anything like that happening to the title or anything. I'm pretty sure she would have told us that also, since she told us the rest of the story.
More likely is that it was stolen in Oregon, taken to Washington to retitle so it wouldn't turn up as stolen, so they could then resell it. Not quite sure about the salvage title, though.
There was some story in the paper a couple months ago of some guy that had his car stolen over 30 years ago and it had been returned to him just recently. Since it was stolen it had been retitled in Washington and sold a few different times. Somebody in Oregon bought it and when he went to title in here in Oregon it was still listed as stolen in the DMV database so the police confiscated it and have since returned it to the guy that originally owned it.
08-17-2006, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mazda8guy
Well I found a 04 RX8 that I thought was a good deal. I guess the saying is true.
It was a theft recovery in Oregon. Just called the private seller and he said "oh I guess I should have told you that" Then he states that any car in the state of Oregon that is stolen gets a rebuilt/salvage title? Owner gets paid out but the car cant be re-insured in that state. It was then moved to Washington and sold to a new owner. He then purchased it and brought it to BC.
Anyone from that area can confirm this?
The 8 it self looks good and drives just as good. All the body lines are awesome and no signs of over spray. There are only 15000km on it (9300 miles)
Thanks
Carfax report
It was a theft recovery in Oregon. Just called the private seller and he said "oh I guess I should have told you that" Then he states that any car in the state of Oregon that is stolen gets a rebuilt/salvage title? Owner gets paid out but the car cant be re-insured in that state. It was then moved to Washington and sold to a new owner. He then purchased it and brought it to BC.
Anyone from that area can confirm this?
The 8 it self looks good and drives just as good. All the body lines are awesome and no signs of over spray. There are only 15000km on it (9300 miles)
Thanks
Carfax report
listen you're better off finding another car! the fact that he would not mention that it was stolen is a huge RED FLAG FOR ME!! you're gonna be driving around in it and he neglects to mention "oh yeah it was stolen" as far as the rebuilt law hes lying out of his ***
, no state has that law, plus (bunnygirl) lives in Oregon so she would know.... finally I wouldn't buy a car that was handled by numerous amount of people orgeon to washington to BC.... you're better off finding another car and enjoying it then coming back on this forum to complain about how many problems your having... if he lied to you one time he's going to do it again. good luck whatever you do
08-17-2006, 07:58 PM
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I don't understand your problem.
The CarFax report says it is a salvage. Did you miss that or did the report change after you bought the car?
If you have a copy of the report from before the purchase and it is different, CarFax will buy the car from you for what it cost. That is their warranty.
The CarFax report says it is a salvage. Did you miss that or did the report change after you bought the car?
If you have a copy of the report from before the purchase and it is different, CarFax will buy the car from you for what it cost. That is their warranty.
08-17-2006, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by c41250n
if the car got slolen, and it cost more then the market value of your car to fix it, then it will get a salvage title!
I am pretty sure it applies in Oregon in the instance that the insurance already paid out on it because it wasn't found within a certain length of time. Then at some later date after that it is then recovered.
08-17-2006, 08:14 PM
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Okay. From reading it looks like the car was bought and stolen from Washington. Three months later it was found and it appears that it was wrecked since there is an accident reported. It appears it was found in Oregon since they got the first salvage title on it. According to the titles issued and their descriptions, it was severely damaged and then rebuilt, most likely at significant cost. It also shows that it had briefly been issued a title to be used as scrap only and then again another title as salvage. Six months later it was purchased again and retitled as scrap and salvage. It then made it's way up to Canada.
I would say to avoid this car. There is no telling what condition it is really in and you may never know what was wrong with it to start with or what kinds of problems you can end up having from this car.
It better be awfully darn cheap with what appears to be an extensive history of torture (poor little car) before you discovered it.
I would say to avoid this car. There is no telling what condition it is really in and you may never know what was wrong with it to start with or what kinds of problems you can end up having from this car.
It better be awfully darn cheap with what appears to be an extensive history of torture (poor little car) before you discovered it.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
I don't understand your problem.
The CarFax report says it is a salvage. Did you miss that or did the report change after you bought the car?
If you have a copy of the report from before the purchase and it is different, CarFax will buy the car from you for what it cost. That is their warranty.
The CarFax report says it is a salvage. Did you miss that or did the report change after you bought the car?
If you have a copy of the report from before the purchase and it is different, CarFax will buy the car from you for what it cost. That is their warranty.
08-17-2006, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
I don't understand your problem.
The CarFax report says it is a salvage. Did you miss that or did the report change after you bought the car?
If you have a copy of the report from before the purchase and it is different, CarFax will buy the car from you for what it cost. That is their warranty.
The CarFax report says it is a salvage. Did you miss that or did the report change after you bought the car?
If you have a copy of the report from before the purchase and it is different, CarFax will buy the car from you for what it cost. That is their warranty.
I think what he's trying to say is that "not good" describes the carfax report. Not necessarily reflecting negatively on Carfax itself hence the "Thanks Carfax" ending. If I understand him correctly he found this out from the Carfax report, the seller only then acknowledged it after that.
This is a total assumption on my part based on several glasses of Robert Mondavi Cabernet Sauvignon .
08-17-2006, 09:44 PM
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I'm kind of piling on here, but everyone has given you good advice, and you got your money's worth out of Carfax. Don't buy it. If nothing else, the seller is lying to you. Never deal with a liar.
The bit about it not being insurable in Oregon, but OK elsewhere, makes no sense. What if someone bought the car elsewhere, then moved to Oregon? Clearly a line of BS.
Sounds like the car was stolen, wrecked and rebuilt, and is now in the hands of a seller who thinks it's still the old days when a wreck history could be laundered by retitling in another state. The car may be OK (at a suitable reduced price) but you wouldn't be dealing with someone you can trust.
Ken
The bit about it not being insurable in Oregon, but OK elsewhere, makes no sense. What if someone bought the car elsewhere, then moved to Oregon? Clearly a line of BS.
Sounds like the car was stolen, wrecked and rebuilt, and is now in the hands of a seller who thinks it's still the old days when a wreck history could be laundered by retitling in another state. The car may be OK (at a suitable reduced price) but you wouldn't be dealing with someone you can trust.
Ken
08-17-2006, 10:21 PM
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Ok first I never purchased the car. I got the vin from the seller after the test drive.
As soon as I read the report I called him and thats when he said the "oh ya" part. I did ask him if it had been in any accidents and he said no. I do believe after going over the car there were no accidents at all BUT I still passed on it.
Thanks for the tips but the flag went up for me when that carfax report was read.
With all that said, anyone need a carfax done? I have 30 days.
Oh ya I did get an 8 today. 04 GT 27000km, silver. The gave me a awesome trade in for my 3 that was 3 months old. Get the car next week sometime.
Let the mods begin. lol
As soon as I read the report I called him and thats when he said the "oh ya" part. I did ask him if it had been in any accidents and he said no. I do believe after going over the car there were no accidents at all BUT I still passed on it.
Thanks for the tips but the flag went up for me when that carfax report was read.
With all that said, anyone need a carfax done? I have 30 days.
Oh ya I did get an 8 today. 04 GT 27000km, silver. The gave me a awesome trade in for my 3 that was 3 months old. Get the car next week sometime.
Let the mods begin. lol
08-17-2006, 10:28 PM
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I know you can still insure if it has been stolen. That would be dumb to make it a law that you couldn't. There would be thousands of perfectly good cars that you couldn't drive or do anything with, then, and a lot of thoroughly pissed off owners.
A car has to be missing for more than a certain number of days before the insurance will pay out, but I'm not sure how many. The lady I worked with had her car missing for three or four days before they found it. There was no real damage except wires pulled out to hot wire it. It was found in a parking lot at a mall. This happened right around a month ago and her title hasn't been changed to reflect salvage because it was found within that certain length of time and it didn't sustain any real damage, which meant the insurance didn't pay out. From what she was telling me was that it would become a salvage car if it was found after that length of time (she said she thought 45 days
)and the insurance paid it off because then the insurance will have "salvaged" it and she would have lost rights to the vehicle because the insurance paid out and it was their property then.
I'm not fully grasping the "theft salvage" thing but I think it was wrecked and the insurance had it rebuilt so they could unload it at an auction or something. Then it made this strange little trip, basically like ken-x8 said to try to "wash" the title. It's like what people try to do with the flood cars. They move them around from state to state and back and forth until it loses it salvage designation and then they sell it.
A car has to be missing for more than a certain number of days before the insurance will pay out, but I'm not sure how many. The lady I worked with had her car missing for three or four days before they found it. There was no real damage except wires pulled out to hot wire it. It was found in a parking lot at a mall. This happened right around a month ago and her title hasn't been changed to reflect salvage because it was found within that certain length of time and it didn't sustain any real damage, which meant the insurance didn't pay out. From what she was telling me was that it would become a salvage car if it was found after that length of time (she said she thought 45 days
)and the insurance paid it off because then the insurance will have "salvaged" it and she would have lost rights to the vehicle because the insurance paid out and it was their property then. I'm not fully grasping the "theft salvage" thing but I think it was wrecked and the insurance had it rebuilt so they could unload it at an auction or something. Then it made this strange little trip, basically like ken-x8 said to try to "wash" the title. It's like what people try to do with the flood cars. They move them around from state to state and back and forth until it loses it salvage designation and then they sell it.
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