Buying a RX8 need some answers
08-07-2007, 09:22 PM
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Buying a RX8 need some answers
i want to know wut can you not do performance wise to a automatic vs a manual? Also can you still get 90k redline in a automatic?
Would you buy an automatic if you got a good price and would it still have plenty of power to at least keep up with a manual RX8?
The Cost of turbo chargers?
Appreciate your answers thanks
Would you buy an automatic if you got a good price and would it still have plenty of power to at least keep up with a manual RX8?
The Cost of turbo chargers?
Appreciate your answers thanks
08-07-2007, 09:59 PM
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^^Good hell, Mugatu. I've wasted more time searching this forum for answers than I care to admit. It's worth a try leaning on the goodwill of someone with more experience before you spend an hour at the keyboard trying to find a few relevant posts that may or may not turn up. Wrong search terms, too many hits and not enough time to winnow-out the B.S., whatever. The answers just are not evident from searching, far too often. Not everybody worships at the Search box, or lives at the fricken keyboard.
And most folks here are all too glad to offer their advice.
Stop proselytizing. Search if you want but "for god sakes man"
Pull the stick out of your ***!!
That said, can I buy you a beer next time I'm in NY?
And most folks here are all too glad to offer their advice.
Stop proselytizing. Search if you want but "for god sakes man"
Pull the stick out of your ***!!
That said, can I buy you a beer next time I'm in NY?
08-07-2007, 11:36 PM
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Hi Razz, it's because I've only had my car 5 months and am still in learning mode myself, and because I have the 6-speed. Don't know nothin' bout no automatics. 
Look, I have nothing against searching, but I do have a problem with the attitude that one is an idiot if they ask a question of the membership-at-large. And for all we know, J's drummer did try to search. I've spent literally hours searching the various forums for answers without success. I'll usually find the terms I specified, but not a meaningful answer to my question. When I get lucky, I've sometimes been successful reading all the Sticky's, but that takes a lot of time that I often don't have.
I also feel that this is primarily an on-line club. A social device designed to allow people with a similar interest in a terrific car, but seperated widely by geography, to interact.
For that reason I see nothing at all wrong with asking the membership a question before going to the search engine. It's a club, not Wikipedia or Google. Most of the people I've corresponded with here are good people who are all too happy to reply to questions and share a vast knowledge of rotary engines and the RX-8, among a universe of other subjects. They don't judge a person based on their information-gathering personal preferences.
The person asking the question may not know how to even successfully use a search function. I really don't feel that shortcoming warrants insult from those who do. These people love the RX-8 just as much- maybe more- than the rest of us do.
If it's an issue of saving memory on a server by not repeating data, well I think we could make greater progress on that issue simply by eliminating 90% of the completely off-topic posts in the Lounge. Not that I advocate that, I like the diversion from time-to-time.
Mugatu seems to be an extremely intelligent person, though we've never met- I can only judge by the posts I read. But immediately jumping on someone for asking an honest question and imploring them to search- for the sake of god!- seems a bit uncalled for.
That pretty much sums-up my position, let the flames fly.
Thanks for your time!
Look, I have nothing against searching, but I do have a problem with the attitude that one is an idiot if they ask a question of the membership-at-large. And for all we know, J's drummer did try to search. I've spent literally hours searching the various forums for answers without success. I'll usually find the terms I specified, but not a meaningful answer to my question. When I get lucky, I've sometimes been successful reading all the Sticky's, but that takes a lot of time that I often don't have.
I also feel that this is primarily an on-line club. A social device designed to allow people with a similar interest in a terrific car, but seperated widely by geography, to interact.
For that reason I see nothing at all wrong with asking the membership a question before going to the search engine. It's a club, not Wikipedia or Google. Most of the people I've corresponded with here are good people who are all too happy to reply to questions and share a vast knowledge of rotary engines and the RX-8, among a universe of other subjects. They don't judge a person based on their information-gathering personal preferences.
The person asking the question may not know how to even successfully use a search function. I really don't feel that shortcoming warrants insult from those who do. These people love the RX-8 just as much- maybe more- than the rest of us do.
If it's an issue of saving memory on a server by not repeating data, well I think we could make greater progress on that issue simply by eliminating 90% of the completely off-topic posts in the Lounge. Not that I advocate that, I like the diversion from time-to-time.
Mugatu seems to be an extremely intelligent person, though we've never met- I can only judge by the posts I read. But immediately jumping on someone for asking an honest question and imploring them to search- for the sake of god!- seems a bit uncalled for.
That pretty much sums-up my position, let the flames fly.
Thanks for your time!
08-07-2007, 11:57 PM
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Waa Waa. Get some skin.
Autos suck BTW. There are lots of solid reasons behind that statement, mostly to do with the redline and (depending on year) engine design.
But you would know that if you 'ad tryed searching.
n00bs suck.
Autos suck BTW. There are lots of solid reasons behind that statement, mostly to do with the redline and (depending on year) engine design.
But you would know that if you 'ad tryed searching.
n00bs suck.
08-08-2007, 12:17 AM
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That pretty much sums-up my position, let the flames fly.
FWIW, I think Mugatu's advice was off the mark. Not inappropriate; just not the right advice. What the OP really needs to do is lurk and browse for a while - maybe a few days, maybe a couple of weeks. A couple of his questions have firm answers that are hard to not stumble accross. (Like the 7500 rpm limit and lower rated HP for autos, and the $6K or more for a turbo that works.) Others are ones that only he can answer for himself after absorbing lots of opinions. (Like would anyone consider an auto without extenuating circumstances.)
Ken
08-08-2007, 12:32 AM
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In the time you spent writing that long piece, you could have answered the OP's questions. Even if you didn't have direct knowledge yourself, you've been hanging out here long enough I suspect you could do a good job summarizing the concensus. So you scold for not helping, but don't help yourself.
FWIW, I think Mugatu's advice was off the mark. Not inappropriate; just not the right advice. What the OP really needs to do is lurk and browse for a while - maybe a few days, maybe a couple of weeks. A couple of his questions have firm answers that are hard to not stumble accross. (Like the 7500 rpm limit and lower rated HP for autos, and the $6K or more for a turbo that works.) Others are ones that only he can answer for himself after absorbing lots of opinions. (Like would anyone consider an auto without extenuating circumstances.)
Ken
FWIW, I think Mugatu's advice was off the mark. Not inappropriate; just not the right advice. What the OP really needs to do is lurk and browse for a while - maybe a few days, maybe a couple of weeks. A couple of his questions have firm answers that are hard to not stumble accross. (Like the 7500 rpm limit and lower rated HP for autos, and the $6K or more for a turbo that works.) Others are ones that only he can answer for himself after absorbing lots of opinions. (Like would anyone consider an auto without extenuating circumstances.)
Ken
I still don't think that it's any kind of ethical imperative to search before posing a simple question to an on-line club. (as opposed to a dedicated database exclusive of any "chat" functions)
What I feel badly about is that I just flew off at Mugatu and he's not even on-line at the moment to debate it. I shouldn't have lost my temper in the first place, it's such a trivial issue. Some people are very particular about Website user technique and feel others should toe the line, too. I guess in my own way I'm just as fussy about my feelings as Mugatu (and a few others, LOL!) are.
-Jethro
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08-08-2007, 12:54 AM
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I actually like Jethro Tull, FWTW, and I appretiate the sentiment expressed by their #1 fan, but I would like to make a point.
First, knowledge is in a way, like money; you tend to appretiate it more when you earn it. The givers of knowledge would like to think that their dispencement was not to waste. But it does not take too much experience in life or on the intrawebs to know that a question like this
is asked by someone who does not appear to be a connisuer of knowledge. IMHO, the OP wants something for nothing, so to speak.
This, of course, is impossible.
Not only does the question bely the truth, that the OP will not understand most of the answers, but the question also smells of ambivalence...a question to satisfy no more than a passing fancy.
I mean, the guy may be bangin' for Buddha for all I care, but if you don't respect those you query enough to spell "what" correctly, then I dont care to spend 10 minutes educating you on something that you very well may not read.
First, knowledge is in a way, like money; you tend to appretiate it more when you earn it. The givers of knowledge would like to think that their dispencement was not to waste. But it does not take too much experience in life or on the intrawebs to know that a question like this
i want to know wut can you not do performance wise to a automatic vs a manual? Also can you still get 90k redline in a automatic?
Would you buy an automatic if you got a good price and would it still have plenty of power to at least keep up with a manual RX8?
The Cost of turbo chargers?
Appreciate your answers thanks
Would you buy an automatic if you got a good price and would it still have plenty of power to at least keep up with a manual RX8?
The Cost of turbo chargers?
Appreciate your answers thanks
This, of course, is impossible.
Not only does the question bely the truth, that the OP will not understand most of the answers, but the question also smells of ambivalence...a question to satisfy no more than a passing fancy.
I mean, the guy may be bangin' for Buddha for all I care, but if you don't respect those you query enough to spell "what" correctly, then I dont care to spend 10 minutes educating you on something that you very well may not read.
08-08-2007, 06:19 AM
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sorry guys, i just don't see the benefit of 'helping' a new person by doing the work for him. so by doing the searching for him right off the bat, we would then get further threads started by people like this who are too lazy to do the work themselves because they get help from people.
the point of this forum is to be a wealth of information at your fingertips. if people would just use that damn search button instead of jumping right on that new thread button....
the point of this forum is to be a wealth of information at your fingertips. if people would just use that damn search button instead of jumping right on that new thread button....
08-08-2007, 08:28 AM
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I still don't think that it's any kind of ethical imperative to search before posing a simple question to an on-line club. (as opposed to a dedicated database exclusive of any "chat" functions)
Besides that, the OP would have stumbled on answers to all of his questions in a couple of lurk sessions.
Ken
08-08-2007, 09:27 AM
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Actually, there is. One should always lurk for a while before posting to any forum. Would you walk into a sports bar and immediately join in the arguments? You've got to pick up the rhythm and general culture. To not do so is very rude. (And physically dangerous in a lot of sports bars.)
Besides that, the OP would have stumbled on answers to all of his questions in a couple of lurk sessions.
Ken
Besides that, the OP would have stumbled on answers to all of his questions in a couple of lurk sessions.
Ken
What I'm getting at is that sometimes we tend to be very judgemental without knowing the whole scenario. We tend to assume that all newbs are cast from the same mold.
I lurked for a while and didn't manage to tease-out answers to some of my questions. I still have issues with searching; usually I get far too many hits that may contain the search terms I used but are mostly BS without answering my question. Many times, getting a particular answer for a newb may be a more protracted process than the veteran Site user realizes or remembers.
Instead of just scolding them to search and leaving them cold, perhaps scaring them off the site, might it be more constructive to give them some kind of meaningful answer and then suggest the search strategy for future questions? Even offer to help them in using search functions or pointing-out the various resources of the site? Using the site need not be a Darwinian "eat or be eaten" experience. I know that I feel like I'm among like minds here- most of the users are pretty smart people and you really don't find that on a lot of on-line forums.
I don't know, maybe I'm too soft on people. I've spent a lot of years in a mentoring position and that maybe that's reason I'm cutting the newbs more slack than other folks would.
08-08-2007, 09:49 AM
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Very reasonable Ken, assuming that the person asking the question has the time available. But if they don't? Example: Their purchase may be imminent and they may feel that they lack the time to acclimatize to a particular on-line forum. Perhpas if they don't buy the car right away it will disappear to another buyer quickly. This is impulsive behavior, certaintly, but that's part of being human. Not everyone does their homework properly. Perhaps they have been lurking for a while and just aren't adept at searching or even asking questions tactfully...
What I'm getting at is that sometimes we tend to be very judgemental without knowing the whole scenario. We tend to assume that all newbs are cast from the same mold.
I lurked for a while and didn't manage to tease-out answers to some of my questions. I still have issues with searching; usually I get far too many hits that may contain the search terms I used but are mostly BS without answering my question. Many times, getting a particular answer for a newb may be a more protracted process than the veteran Site user realizes or remembers.
Instead of just scolding them to search and leaving them cold, perhaps scaring them off the site, might it be more constructive to give them some kind of meaningful answer and then suggest the search strategy for future questions? Even offer to help them in using search functions or pointing-out the various resources of the site? Using the site need not be a Darwinian "eat or be eaten" experience. I know that I feel like I'm among like minds here- most of the users are pretty smart people and you really don't find that on a lot of on-line forums.
I don't know, maybe I'm too soft on people. I've spent a lot of years in a mentoring position and that maybe that's reason I'm cutting the newbs more slack than other folks would.
What I'm getting at is that sometimes we tend to be very judgemental without knowing the whole scenario. We tend to assume that all newbs are cast from the same mold.
I lurked for a while and didn't manage to tease-out answers to some of my questions. I still have issues with searching; usually I get far too many hits that may contain the search terms I used but are mostly BS without answering my question. Many times, getting a particular answer for a newb may be a more protracted process than the veteran Site user realizes or remembers.
Instead of just scolding them to search and leaving them cold, perhaps scaring them off the site, might it be more constructive to give them some kind of meaningful answer and then suggest the search strategy for future questions? Even offer to help them in using search functions or pointing-out the various resources of the site? Using the site need not be a Darwinian "eat or be eaten" experience. I know that I feel like I'm among like minds here- most of the users are pretty smart people and you really don't find that on a lot of on-line forums.
I don't know, maybe I'm too soft on people. I've spent a lot of years in a mentoring position and that maybe that's reason I'm cutting the newbs more slack than other folks would.
if you can make the effort to start a new thread, you can take the effort to spend 5 seconds and plug in your keywords for a search on the subject.
08-08-2007, 10:09 AM
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Sometimes you get lucky right out of the gate, sometimes you get page after page of irrelevant "I'd totally hit it" posts. It can be a crapshoot. There have been many posts complaining of ineffective searches here.
I can't argue with tough love, I'm an advocate of that approach. I'll think on it as it relates to searches.
08-08-2007, 10:14 AM
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M, I don't disagree with the time it takes to plug in the terms- but sifting through the results can take hours if you don't specify your terms effectively. That's where the time is spent.
Sometimes you get lucky right out of the gate, sometimes you get page after page of irrelevant "I'd totally hit it" posts. It can be a crapshoot. There have been many posts complaining of ineffective searches here.
I can't argue with tough love, I'm an advocate of that approach. I'll think on it as it relates to searches.
Sometimes you get lucky right out of the gate, sometimes you get page after page of irrelevant "I'd totally hit it" posts. It can be a crapshoot. There have been many posts complaining of ineffective searches here.
I can't argue with tough love, I'm an advocate of that approach. I'll think on it as it relates to searches.
08-08-2007, 10:39 AM
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Very reasonable Ken, assuming that the person asking the question has the time available. But if they don't? Example: Their purchase may be imminent and they may feel that they lack the time to acclimatize to a particular on-line forum. Perhpas if they don't buy the car right away it will disappear to another buyer quickly...
But someone just popping in asking general questions, oblivious to the fact that this forum is populated by people, not some kind of automatic answering machine, is different. Part of good manners is to schmooze a little before asking strangers to do something for you.
IMHO, someone who does not have time to research a sports car probably does not have time to enjoy it, either.
Ken
08-08-2007, 11:10 AM
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No production car will give you a 90k redline. The automatic can't even hit 9k.
If you're buying the auto for the sole purpose of saving a few bucks, this may not be the car for you.
~$3-10k. Very limited selection for the A/T.
08-08-2007, 09:13 PM
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gentleman, yes i am. but not here.. i was to tired to do anything but copy and past...
insult poor newbs.... i did feel the need, but i got my pee pee smacked.... and i was tired... i am good at what i did not do..
but the links given should be required reading before anyone posts here..
my short take... i lurked for 6 months before i made my first post... i did my homework..
now, to all. this is another thread started by a troll to see how long it goes.. notice he or she has not been back!!! tar dewp dee dew.
beers
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