View Poll Results: For people who need new engine were you using synthetic or non-synthetic?
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09-30-2006, 09:09 PM
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For those of you who busted your engines and need it replaced were you using synthetic or non-synthetic motor oil?
Blends will be considered non-synthetic here as most 5w-20 oils are blends.
Blends will be considered non-synthetic here as most 5w-20 oils are blends.
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09-30-2006, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Raptor2k
What relevance does synthetic or non-synthetic oils have to do with busted Renesii?
Mazda requires the use of non-synthetic in the renesis.
Also of note is a TSB from Mazda showing a busted renesis from synthetic use.
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10-01-2006, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by turbodiesel_1
MC requires the use of non-synthetic in the renesis.
Also of note is a TSB from MC showing a busted renesis from synthetic use.
Also of note is a TSB from MC showing a busted renesis from synthetic use.
10-01-2006, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by turbodiesel_1
MC requires the use of non-synthetic in the renesis.
Also of note is a TSB from MC showing a busted renesis from synthetic use.
Also of note is a TSB from MC showing a busted renesis from synthetic use.
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10-01-2006, 08:17 AM
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ITs just pretty sad that people cant type these days. Im having my MC donalds Premium Roast Coffee right now
the picture on the TSB was due to BABYING THE ENGINE, NOT BECAUSE OF SYNTHETIC OIL. Its a known problem, theres no solution to it unless you rev it up every so often, and it HAS NOTHING to do with Synthetic oil
Its already wrong to inject Engine oil into the combustion chambers already, Mazda has no choice tho, because its easy for people to understand and get.
Good god, I dont know anything about Rotary engine before, but come on people, dont open your mouth blah blah blah when you dont know jack about what excatly is going on.
As far as I know(read), people with Dead engine mostly are people :
Baby their engine who never rev their engine
AT cars with 1 oil cooler
And I believe 5w20 is another cause. NO one else on earth has this recall, what does that mean ?
Close this crap already
the picture on the TSB was due to BABYING THE ENGINE, NOT BECAUSE OF SYNTHETIC OIL. Its a known problem, theres no solution to it unless you rev it up every so often, and it HAS NOTHING to do with Synthetic oil
Its already wrong to inject Engine oil into the combustion chambers already, Mazda has no choice tho, because its easy for people to understand and get.
Good god, I dont know anything about Rotary engine before, but come on people, dont open your mouth blah blah blah when you dont know jack about what excatly is going on.
As far as I know(read), people with Dead engine mostly are people :
Baby their engine who never rev their engine
AT cars with 1 oil cooler
And I believe 5w20 is another cause. NO one else on earth has this recall, what does that mean ?
Close this crap already
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10-01-2006, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
ITs just pretty sad that people cant type these days. Im having my MC donalds Premium Roast Coffee right now
the picture on the TSB was due to BABYING THE ENGINE, NOT BECAUSE OF SYNTHETIC OIL. Its a known problem, theres no solution to it unless you rev it up every so often, and it HAS NOTHING to do with Synthetic oil
Its already wrong to inject Engine oil into the combustion chambers already, Mazda has no choice tho, because its easy for people to understand and get.
Good god, I dont know anything about Rotary engine before, but come on people, dont open your mouth blah blah blah when you dont know jack about what excatly is going on.
As far as I know(read), people with Dead engine mostly are people :
Baby their engine who never rev their engine
AT cars with 1 oil cooler
And I believe 5w20 is another cause. NO one else on earth has this recall, what does that mean ?
Close this crap already
the picture on the TSB was due to BABYING THE ENGINE, NOT BECAUSE OF SYNTHETIC OIL. Its a known problem, theres no solution to it unless you rev it up every so often, and it HAS NOTHING to do with Synthetic oil
Its already wrong to inject Engine oil into the combustion chambers already, Mazda has no choice tho, because its easy for people to understand and get.
Good god, I dont know anything about Rotary engine before, but come on people, dont open your mouth blah blah blah when you dont know jack about what excatly is going on.
As far as I know(read), people with Dead engine mostly are people :
Baby their engine who never rev their engine
AT cars with 1 oil cooler
And I believe 5w20 is another cause. NO one else on earth has this recall, what does that mean ?
Close this crap already
I always find it amusing that rednecks think they know more about the renesis than japanese engineers. The TSB clearly states synthetic is the issue. Not revving enough may be an issue, but the TSB makes no mention of it.
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10-01-2006, 09:17 AM
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Because they CANNOT *Recommend* people to rev their engines, cuz it might rinse alot of legal issues.
Its always easier to blame on one thing than to test everything on the market. Someone point a good example of why Harley Davidson said no to Synthetic oil for a long time without anything to back themself up. and recently (couple years ago) all of the sudden they *recommmend* Synthetic. Why ? cuz therese enough users out there use Synthetic oil with excellent results.
Thank you.
and what I've read so *far*, most of the FAILED engines only use *semi synthetic or Mineral oil* only. there are hardly anybody who said *I use Synthetic and my engine is fuxked*
Does that mean Semi / Mineral is bad? Of course NOT !
Many many MANY of those crying *synthetic are bad babies* have nothing to Proof but that tiny little picture of Mazda's TSB. and just ignored tons of users out there use Synthetic for years with lower engine/oil temp, longer life and so on.
and I find really funny that people like you, would add whatever to the engine bay when Mazda does not recommend them.
Like I said, again and again, I believe that it has to do with, mostly with 5w20 and people baby their engines.
5w30 people has no engine recall.
SYnthetic or not, its your choice, but I really dont get why people just want to blame on something when most of the people have excellent results with it.
Its always easier to blame on one thing than to test everything on the market. Someone point a good example of why Harley Davidson said no to Synthetic oil for a long time without anything to back themself up. and recently (couple years ago) all of the sudden they *recommmend* Synthetic. Why ? cuz therese enough users out there use Synthetic oil with excellent results.
Originally Posted by alnielsen
My engine was changed at 13,000 miles about a year ago. Oil changes were performed by my Mazda dealer. For topping it off, I used Castrol GTX. At that milage, it wasn't due to the oil.
and what I've read so *far*, most of the FAILED engines only use *semi synthetic or Mineral oil* only. there are hardly anybody who said *I use Synthetic and my engine is fuxked*
Does that mean Semi / Mineral is bad? Of course NOT !
Many many MANY of those crying *synthetic are bad babies* have nothing to Proof but that tiny little picture of Mazda's TSB. and just ignored tons of users out there use Synthetic for years with lower engine/oil temp, longer life and so on.
and I find really funny that people like you, would add whatever to the engine bay when Mazda does not recommend them.
Like I said, again and again, I believe that it has to do with, mostly with 5w20 and people baby their engines.
5w30 people has no engine recall.
SYnthetic or not, its your choice, but I really dont get why people just want to blame on something when most of the people have excellent results with it.
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10-01-2006, 09:29 AM
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Don't get me wrong. I've always used synthetic in my pistons because it is a superior lubricant and I want to use it for my rotary. Most people who own the renesis are car enthusiasts and want the best for their engines so they last a long time. Hopefully, this poll will give us some statistical evidence on the issue.
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10-01-2006, 09:33 AM
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and Also , I want to say that Mazda is really stupid about this one.
Idemitsu has been selling *Rotary safe* oil for a long time, its Synthetic AND they co-devolpe it with Mazda AND they won Le mans 24 with it AND they even said it on their site that it results in less wear and improve heat transfer.
If what Mazda said is true (Synthetic will result in Carbon Build up), that means Idemitsu is Lying ! (So does RP, but get to that later). and they should sue them for false Advertizing !!!
but if they SUE them, that means they're complete bullshit in *co-devolop* with them to create those oil. How does a company created some oil thats going to harm their own engines? and people who use them might be able to Sue Mazda and idemitsu base on this. which is going to raise some MORe legal issues.
Mazda is crying wolf, so they can say *no free replacements* to more dead engines
simply changing it to 5w30 should be able to solve most of the lube problems. but another sad part is that they gotta listen to Ford, at least in North America market.
Idemitsu has been selling *Rotary safe* oil for a long time, its Synthetic AND they co-devolpe it with Mazda AND they won Le mans 24 with it AND they even said it on their site that it results in less wear and improve heat transfer.
If what Mazda said is true (Synthetic will result in Carbon Build up), that means Idemitsu is Lying ! (So does RP, but get to that later). and they should sue them for false Advertizing !!!
but if they SUE them, that means they're complete bullshit in *co-devolop* with them to create those oil. How does a company created some oil thats going to harm their own engines? and people who use them might be able to Sue Mazda and idemitsu base on this. which is going to raise some MORe legal issues.
Mazda is crying wolf, so they can say *no free replacements* to more dead engines
simply changing it to 5w30 should be able to solve most of the lube problems. but another sad part is that they gotta listen to Ford, at least in North America market.
10-01-2006, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
and Also , I want to say that Mazda is really stupid about this one.
Idemitsu has been selling *Rotary safe* oil for a long time, its Synthetic AND they co-devolpe it with Mazda AND they won Le mans 24 with it AND they even said it on their site that it results in less wear and improve heat transfer.
If what Mazda said is true (Synthetic will result in Carbon Build up), that means Idemitsu is Lying ! (So does RP, but get to that later). and they should sue them for false Advertizing !!!
but if they SUE them, that means they're complete bullshit in *co-devolop* with them to create those oil. How does a company created some oil thats going to harm their own engines? and people who use them might be able to Sue Mazda and idemitsu base on this. which is going to raise some MORe legal issues.
Mazda is crying wolf, so they can say *no free replacements* to more dead engines
simply changing it to 5w30 should be able to solve most of the lube problems. but another sad part is that they gotta listen to Ford, at least in North America market.
Idemitsu has been selling *Rotary safe* oil for a long time, its Synthetic AND they co-devolpe it with Mazda AND they won Le mans 24 with it AND they even said it on their site that it results in less wear and improve heat transfer.
If what Mazda said is true (Synthetic will result in Carbon Build up), that means Idemitsu is Lying ! (So does RP, but get to that later). and they should sue them for false Advertizing !!!
but if they SUE them, that means they're complete bullshit in *co-devolop* with them to create those oil. How does a company created some oil thats going to harm their own engines? and people who use them might be able to Sue Mazda and idemitsu base on this. which is going to raise some MORe legal issues.
Mazda is crying wolf, so they can say *no free replacements* to more dead engines
simply changing it to 5w30 should be able to solve most of the lube problems. but another sad part is that they gotta listen to Ford, at least in North America market.
I agree with everything you said. after 14K miles on the car i switched over to syn-oil and everything has been great. i have over 32K now.
10-01-2006, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by turbodiesel_1
Don't get me wrong. I've always used synthetic in my pistons because it is a superior lubricant and I want to use it for my rotary. Most people who own the renesis are car enthusiasts and want the best for their engines so they last a long time. Hopefully, this poll will give us some statistical evidence on the issue.
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10-01-2006, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by turbodiesel_1
Don't get me wrong. I've always used synthetic in my pistons because it is a superior lubricant and I want to use it for my rotary. Most people who own the renesis are car enthusiasts and want the best for their engines so they last a long time. Hopefully, this poll will give us some statistical evidence on the issue.
Also your very simple poll of synthetic or non-synthetic as the basis of an engine failure is certainly cutting it dry. Are you accounting for other variables in your "statistical evidence"? Because you will need to know a lot more than what type of oil that person used.
I will also point out that another member here has used RP for 30k out of 32k miles and their recall inspection has passed with flying colors. Synthetic what?
This thread needs to be locked. We already have 4984651321498465161 threads on the same subject.
10-01-2006, 10:46 AM
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I will also point out that another member here has used RP for 30k out of 32k miles and their recall inspection has passed with flying colors. Synthetic what?
This thread needs to be locked. We already have 4984651321498465161 threads on the same subject.
This thread needs to be locked. We already have 4984651321498465161 threads on the same subject.
Why do people have such strong objections to this poll? If synthetic oil isn't a problem, then the results from this one and the parallel overall synth/dino should come out the same. And it will certainly be more convenient than wading through all the "I've used synthetics for the past 10 miles and my car is running fine" posts.
If there's another poll for the same topic, then this one should be nuked. But if there's not, then calls to close it smack of "I've made up my mind, don't ask questions."
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10-01-2006, 11:54 AM
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Actually I would like to see more then 5 votes from legitimate sources.
My motor is still in fine condition at 8,000 miles. Hopefully it still will be at 80,000.
I doubt that synthetics will really cause any harm but I don't want to be the test mule to find out either. Personally I don't mind changing oil every 2-3000 miles it's very easy to do on the RX8.
My motor is still in fine condition at 8,000 miles. Hopefully it still will be at 80,000.
I doubt that synthetics will really cause any harm but I don't want to be the test mule to find out either. Personally I don't mind changing oil every 2-3000 miles it's very easy to do on the RX8.
10-01-2006, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ken-x8
My brother had a Toyota for which he never changed the oil. It was running fine at 30K miles. The engine did not blow until a bit past 70K.
Why do people have such strong objections to this poll? If synthetic oil isn't a problem, then the results from this one and the parallel overall synth/dino should come out the same. And it will certainly be more convenient than wading through all the "I've used synthetics for the past 10 miles and my car is running fine" posts.
If there's another poll for the same topic, then this one should be nuked. But if there's not, then calls to close it smack of "I've made up my mind, don't ask questions."
Ken
Why do people have such strong objections to this poll? If synthetic oil isn't a problem, then the results from this one and the parallel overall synth/dino should come out the same. And it will certainly be more convenient than wading through all the "I've used synthetics for the past 10 miles and my car is running fine" posts.
If there's another poll for the same topic, then this one should be nuked. But if there's not, then calls to close it smack of "I've made up my mind, don't ask questions."
Ken
It is also really annoying when people come in and post on a subject that they have not researched and speak as if their opinion is fact. Ignore the research that other companies/individuals, including Mazda, has done supporting synthetic. Maybe I am just really PMS'ing today.
10-02-2006, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Rx-8 Driver
Amen brothah! preach on yo' bad self ! hehe
I agree with everything you said. after 14K miles on the car i switched over to syn-oil and everything has been great. i have over 32K now.
I agree with everything you said. after 14K miles on the car i switched over to syn-oil and everything has been great. i have over 32K now.
thx
I mean seriously, sooner or later someone who is greedy enough would sue Idemitsu for it, then if they're found guity, the person would sue Mazda afterwards, because Mazda was the one who *co-develop* Idemitsu's oil and gave Idemitsu an *OK* in their OWN rotary powered car.
Mazda, its time to wake up and stop crying wolf. Synthetic is not bad. Or else you're going to feel sorry when the ****** really happens.
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