BG Engine Assurance: someone want to talk me out of this?
10-13-2017, 05:56 PM
#1
BG Engine Assurance: someone want to talk me out of this?
UPDATE: Had several conversations where they consistently ducked important questions related to fine print, so this is dead.
I'm skeptical of this, but wanted to hear other opinions.
https://www.bgprod.com/programs/engine-assurance/
Cliff's:
- Get your first BG oil change (includes some other flushes/additives/whatever) before 80k miles
- Repeat every 10k miles at most
- If the engine EVER fails, they contribute up to $3000 to the repair. Unlimited time, unlimited miles.
I'm at 75k miles now, with 2 years and 25k left on the rotary core warranty. There's a Mazda dealership near me that does these services, and they confirmed that there'd be no implications on the Mazda warranty if I have the work done there.
So, why not get this done every 7500 miles (max OCI per Mazda) for the remainder of the Mazda warranty, and then every 10k afterward?
Sounds REALLY bad for the engine, right? Horribly overextended OCIs, and snake oil.
But, assuming I've done the math correctly... with $3k of engine coverage, factoring in the more expensive but less frequent oil changes, it'd basically have to cut the engine's lifespan by two-thirds or more to not be worth it. Seems... unlikely.
What am I missing?
I'm skeptical of this, but wanted to hear other opinions.
https://www.bgprod.com/programs/engine-assurance/
Cliff's:
- Get your first BG oil change (includes some other flushes/additives/whatever) before 80k miles
- Repeat every 10k miles at most
- If the engine EVER fails, they contribute up to $3000 to the repair. Unlimited time, unlimited miles.
I'm at 75k miles now, with 2 years and 25k left on the rotary core warranty. There's a Mazda dealership near me that does these services, and they confirmed that there'd be no implications on the Mazda warranty if I have the work done there.
So, why not get this done every 7500 miles (max OCI per Mazda) for the remainder of the Mazda warranty, and then every 10k afterward?
Sounds REALLY bad for the engine, right? Horribly overextended OCIs, and snake oil.
But, assuming I've done the math correctly... with $3k of engine coverage, factoring in the more expensive but less frequent oil changes, it'd basically have to cut the engine's lifespan by two-thirds or more to not be worth it. Seems... unlikely.
What am I missing?
Last edited by IamFodi; 10-19-2017 at 06:09 AM.
10-14-2017, 09:17 AM
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Because nowhere in the yellow box on this page does it mention anything about apex seals, side seals, seal springs, catalysts, stationary gears, rotors, rotor bearings, eccentric shafts, housings or irons.
Last edited by NotAPreppie; 10-14-2017 at 09:20 AM.
10-16-2017, 10:56 AM
#4
Because nowhere in the yellow box on this page does it mention anything about apex seals, side seals, seal springs, catalysts, stationary gears, rotors, rotor bearings, eccentric shafts, housings or irons.
I just keep thinking there have to be other potential deal-breakers. One was whether those additives and services might affect the cat, which is a big unknown (though they say the additives are ashless). That's all I could come up with, and that makes me slightly uncomfortable somehow. I keep feeling like there should be a more obvious problem, but I can't find it.
Last edited by IamFodi; 10-16-2017 at 11:14 AM.
10-16-2017, 11:19 AM
#5
Speaking of which... Just got what I think is the final email. There are no make/model restrictions, which suggests a 2011 RX-8 would be covered -- but they wouldn't make it explicit and just repeated their line that claims are assessed case-by-case. So, basically vapor as far as I'm concerned.
Guess that's that, unless I get anything better in writing. Until then, if anyone has experience with this program, please post up or let me know!
Guess that's that, unless I get anything better in writing. Until then, if anyone has experience with this program, please post up or let me know!
Last edited by IamFodi; 10-18-2017 at 07:50 AM.
10-16-2017, 05:25 PM
#8
When it comes to RX-8s, the print isn't even that fine, apparently. NotAPreppie's post was spot-on. Other warranties list at least one or two rotary-specific parts; BG's doesn't, nor will anyone at BG or their claims company tell me straight-up and in writing that rotary engines are eligible (been trying on and off for the past several weeks).
10-19-2017, 05:35 AM
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RX-Heaven
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The BG products are fantastic! I use their products in my cars and I have a BG rep that I deal with and purchase the products from. With that said, I don't use the MOA in my rotaries. While its a fantastic product, its a high zinc concentrated formula that will aid in bearing wear. I'm not sure how well it burns, and I don't know how safe it is for the OMP, given its some pretty thick stuff compared to motor oil. I do however use it in my Corvette, BMW, Porsche, MR2, and Toyota Sienna. Seems to be fine and I'm comfortable using it.
In the 8's however, I use BG's 44k and I have noticed better mileage after the first tank with the additive. I use their coolant flush products and they work wonderfully. Their intake cleaner is the best I've used and has helped bring two rotary engines back. They are now in two of my cars. Bear in mind that carbon was the issue causing sticking seals and the cleaner eliminated the carbon in the intake and helped to free some sticking apex seals. Their LSII limited slip additive is coursing through my black 04's rear end as we speak. No issues with that stuff either. Their synchro shift trans oil is next on my list to try. They have a large variety of products that I would love to try out since I've had such good luck with the ones I've tried.
With that said, you should speak with a BG rep and go over their warranty coverage. From what my guy told me, when a customer's engine failed, BG reimbursed the customer a portion of the maximum payout. He did tell me that the shop did in fact put in a can of MOA in that engine at every oil change. Lasted a ton of miles. Either way, I would not hesitate to use their products, but I would find out every detail and what's required to obtain warranty coverage. Don't just read the large print and believe what you read. There's always a catch.
In the 8's however, I use BG's 44k and I have noticed better mileage after the first tank with the additive. I use their coolant flush products and they work wonderfully. Their intake cleaner is the best I've used and has helped bring two rotary engines back. They are now in two of my cars. Bear in mind that carbon was the issue causing sticking seals and the cleaner eliminated the carbon in the intake and helped to free some sticking apex seals. Their LSII limited slip additive is coursing through my black 04's rear end as we speak. No issues with that stuff either. Their synchro shift trans oil is next on my list to try. They have a large variety of products that I would love to try out since I've had such good luck with the ones I've tried.
With that said, you should speak with a BG rep and go over their warranty coverage. From what my guy told me, when a customer's engine failed, BG reimbursed the customer a portion of the maximum payout. He did tell me that the shop did in fact put in a can of MOA in that engine at every oil change. Lasted a ton of miles. Either way, I would not hesitate to use their products, but I would find out every detail and what's required to obtain warranty coverage. Don't just read the large print and believe what you read. There's always a catch.
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10-19-2017, 06:16 AM
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The BG products are fantastic! I use their products in my cars and I have a BG rep that I deal with and purchase the products from. With that said, I don't use the MOA in my rotaries. While its a fantastic product, its a high zinc concentrated formula that will aid in bearing wear. I'm not sure how well it burns, and I don't know how safe it is for the OMP, given its some pretty thick stuff compared to motor oil. I do however use it in my Corvette, BMW, Porsche, MR2, and Toyota Sienna. Seems to be fine and I'm comfortable using it.
In the 8's however, I use BG's 44k and I have noticed better mileage after the first tank with the additive. I use their coolant flush products and they work wonderfully. Their intake cleaner is the best I've used and has helped bring two rotary engines back. They are now in two of my cars. Bear in mind that carbon was the issue causing sticking seals and the cleaner eliminated the carbon in the intake and helped to free some sticking apex seals. Their LSII limited slip additive is coursing through my black 04's rear end as we speak. No issues with that stuff either. Their synchro shift trans oil is next on my list to try. They have a large variety of products that I would love to try out since I've had such good luck with the ones I've tried.
With that said, you should speak with a BG rep and go over their warranty coverage. From what my guy told me, when a customer's engine failed, BG reimbursed the customer a portion of the maximum payout. He did tell me that the shop did in fact put in a can of MOA in that engine at every oil change. Lasted a ton of miles. Either way, I would not hesitate to use their products, but I would find out every detail and what's required to obtain warranty coverage. Don't just read the large print and believe what you read. There's always a catch.
In the 8's however, I use BG's 44k and I have noticed better mileage after the first tank with the additive. I use their coolant flush products and they work wonderfully. Their intake cleaner is the best I've used and has helped bring two rotary engines back. They are now in two of my cars. Bear in mind that carbon was the issue causing sticking seals and the cleaner eliminated the carbon in the intake and helped to free some sticking apex seals. Their LSII limited slip additive is coursing through my black 04's rear end as we speak. No issues with that stuff either. Their synchro shift trans oil is next on my list to try. They have a large variety of products that I would love to try out since I've had such good luck with the ones I've tried.
With that said, you should speak with a BG rep and go over their warranty coverage. From what my guy told me, when a customer's engine failed, BG reimbursed the customer a portion of the maximum payout. He did tell me that the shop did in fact put in a can of MOA in that engine at every oil change. Lasted a ton of miles. Either way, I would not hesitate to use their products, but I would find out every detail and what's required to obtain warranty coverage. Don't just read the large print and believe what you read. There's always a catch.
Been hearing nothing but good things about 44K. Might give that a whirl at some point; would have to see if it'd fit in meaningfully with the maintenance regime I'm planning. Trying to keep additives to a minimum; I honestly wouldn't have even considered BG products if it weren't for Engine Assurance.
Speaking of which: not sure if this was clear from the thread, but Engine Assurance does seem like vapor, at least for the RX-8. I spoke with multiple people over several weeks, asking for an explicit statement in writing that a 2011 RX-8 would be eligible, and that they'd take a compression test failure as a sufficient indication that the engine needed a repair. They just gave me the same non-answers over and over: no year/make/model restrictions, and each claim is evaluated case-by-case -- all worthless because of what NotAPreppie mentioned.
Last edited by IamFodi; 10-19-2017 at 06:26 AM.
10-19-2017, 07:19 AM
#13
You hear lots of good things from people talking out of their perceived tailpipe, but the magic elixer fantasy has been on this forum forever with zero results of any proven difference on rotary engines in general and the Renesis in particular. That said, everyone has the right to throw away their money on hokum ...
10-20-2017, 05:37 AM
#14
RX-Heaven
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It took actual proof to sell me on the MOA. We had a Prius come in at work for an oil change and MOA additive. The tech did the oil change and added the MOA and the customer was off on their way. A few weeks later the car came back with a reoccurring oil pressure light. When we checked the oil there was none on the dipstick and 4 quarts had to be added to get it to the full line. This is a 4.4 quart system. The engine had been running for an unknown amount of time on a half a quart or so of oil and no bearing failure. The MOA did its job.
Later, the BG rep brought in a V8 engine on a stand. He ran the engine while he explained the product and then added a can of MOA. He ran it for another 15 minutes or so while he explained other products. Back to the engine he went. He drained the oil from the engine and then removed the oil pan. He then started the engine back up and ran it with no oil and no oil pan at idle for 10 minutes. I'd say I was pretty amazed that the zinc and other chemicals in the MOA would protect the bearings as well as they did. Fair to say that I was sold and I use it at every oil change in my piston engine cars.
With that said, I don't know how well it would burn in the rotary engine, being that its going to be run through the omp. If you had a separate tank for the oil injection and blocked off the engine from using oil from the pan then I think it would be a great product for our cars.
Later, the BG rep brought in a V8 engine on a stand. He ran the engine while he explained the product and then added a can of MOA. He ran it for another 15 minutes or so while he explained other products. Back to the engine he went. He drained the oil from the engine and then removed the oil pan. He then started the engine back up and ran it with no oil and no oil pan at idle for 10 minutes. I'd say I was pretty amazed that the zinc and other chemicals in the MOA would protect the bearings as well as they did. Fair to say that I was sold and I use it at every oil change in my piston engine cars.
With that said, I don't know how well it would burn in the rotary engine, being that its going to be run through the omp. If you had a separate tank for the oil injection and blocked off the engine from using oil from the pan then I think it would be a great product for our cars.
10-20-2017, 09:19 AM
#15
Water Foul
^ I hate to break it to you, but Mobil 1 will do the same thing. So will most other quality synthetics. If you don't believe me, search for YT videos of yahoos destroying perfectly good engines during the Cash for Clunkers stupidity. It was surprisingly difficult to seize those engines--even when revving them with no oil.
Also, your anecdote about the Prius correlates with the use of the product, but it does not prove its performance. Here's my counter anecdote. I do all of my mother's oil changes. Last year, she developed a bad crank seal leak and didn't know it. She brought the car to me for her regular 7,500 mile oil change, and barely any oil drained out. That Camry ran for who knows how many miles on very little oil. Rather than praise an additive, why don't we praise Toyota for building amazing engines?
Also, your anecdote about the Prius correlates with the use of the product, but it does not prove its performance. Here's my counter anecdote. I do all of my mother's oil changes. Last year, she developed a bad crank seal leak and didn't know it. She brought the car to me for her regular 7,500 mile oil change, and barely any oil drained out. That Camry ran for who knows how many miles on very little oil. Rather than praise an additive, why don't we praise Toyota for building amazing engines?
10-23-2017, 05:42 AM
#17
RX-Heaven
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^ I hate to break it to you, but Mobil 1 will do the same thing. So will most other quality synthetics. If you don't believe me, search for YT videos of yahoos destroying perfectly good engines during the Cash for Clunkers stupidity. It was surprisingly difficult to seize those engines--even when revving them with no oil.
Also, your anecdote about the Prius correlates with the use of the product, but it does not prove its performance. Here's my counter anecdote. I do all of my mother's oil changes. Last year, she developed a bad crank seal leak and didn't know it. She brought the car to me for her regular 7,500 mile oil change, and barely any oil drained out. That Camry ran for who knows how many miles on very little oil. Rather than praise an additive, why don't we praise Toyota for building amazing engines?
Also, your anecdote about the Prius correlates with the use of the product, but it does not prove its performance. Here's my counter anecdote. I do all of my mother's oil changes. Last year, she developed a bad crank seal leak and didn't know it. She brought the car to me for her regular 7,500 mile oil change, and barely any oil drained out. That Camry ran for who knows how many miles on very little oil. Rather than praise an additive, why don't we praise Toyota for building amazing engines?