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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 08:02 PM
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Bah New Engine

Am I the only one if mazda told me that I was going to get a brand new engine I would be excited?

I wish mine would die.

haha
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 08:17 PM
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The first time my motor went and mazda said i was getting a new engine is was like cool since it was under warranty now that my motor went again and its out of warranty i was pissed and mazda would not help me out
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 08:20 PM
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wow even with a new engine? what exactly is blowing up on them?
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 08:22 PM
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^^^I'm interested in what is wrong too.
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 08:23 PM
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Apex seals in both. The second motor blew up while on the highway around 4k and died in the middle of the road had to push it off. So 4,700 later i have my car back
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 08:27 PM
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On the first motor i was having problems aorund 5k rpm and took it to the dealer and had the Service manger test drive it. Few days later he said mazda was giving me a new engine. On the second motor it died. Had it towed home and finally got it started but had a CEL. My code reader said Rotor 2 misfire so i am asumming the apex seals went again
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 08:41 PM
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I just got that code as well I believe... could be the cat
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 01:29 AM
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 09:59 AM
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I think Mazda should be taking care of this, even after warranty. There's no reason an engine should be going that fast. If you need your first engine replacement at 100,000 miles, that's a different story, but the few people on here that have gone like 5000 miles between engines, that's not right.
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 10:15 AM
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Am I the only one if mazda told me that I was going to get a brand new engine I would be excited?
Gosh I don't know how I'd feel, since my engine has been spectacular since day one. In fact, it feels stronger now than the day I bought it! Most impressive engine I've ever had. I'm @ 13K miles.

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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 10:21 AM
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We really need to put together some data from our members to try to figure out which behaviours/driving habits lead to failure of stock engines. Can someone out there design a survey to collect the information?
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 10:55 AM
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We really need to put together some data from our members to try to figure out which behaviours/driving habits lead to failure of stock engines.
Great idea! But first, you should correct your statement: there hasn't been a "failure of stock engines"; instead, a number of engines have failed Mazda's compression test, and Mazda elected to replace—rather than just repair—the engines that failed that test. I find it ironic that if Mazda had taken the easy way out and merely repaired the engines, there'd be no engine "failures" to speak of. (To most people—including people who casually visit this website to research the car—"engine failure" means engines blowing up, or suddenly seizing and stopping dead in their tracks, like in that old motor oil "torture test" commercial—a dramatic, scary image, to be sure, but not the case here.) Also, I suspect "stock' engines are hardly the problem—be sure to ask these questions:

• Is the engine as Mazda engineers designed and tuned it—or have you modified anything under the hood?
• Have you changed or removed the OEM catalytic converter?
• Have you modified the car mechanically (i.e. adding "oil cooler screens") in any way?
• Do you check oil level every other fill-up?
• Do you make sure the oil level never, ever reads below "low" on the dipstick?
• Do you follow Mazda's fuel recommendation (premium, non-synthetic)?
• Do you put anything into the fuel tank besides… fuel?

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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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my car once reached low on the dip stick with DIRTY oil. That was when I got it from the dealer. I immediately poured in 2 quarts of oil and then changed oil the next day. It runs really strong right now.

I don't know how the car was handled before.
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 11:09 AM
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Good questions.
We also need driving style => how hard is the car being driven (RPM and load), % city/hyw etc.
Fuel mileage => hard data to support the more subjective previous data point
Maintenance history
Environmental issues

My opinion is that the engines failing this test are filled with carbon build up but my opinion doesn't matter one bit; The data will tell us which behaviours achieve the best results.

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I'm not discounting the fact that some engines are just plain defective but some owners are on third engines while other experience no problems at all. I don't believe in coincidence; There is a root cause. Once we have enough data then multi variable statistical analysis should reveal the most likely cause(s) of these problems.

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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 11:20 AM
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I think its a great idea
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 12:46 PM
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I feel that the Rotary does not do well with short trips(no engine does) never getting hot enough to burn off all the gas and water in its system. As in the past the Rotary engine is very complex to mod. You cant just throw an intake and exhaust on it and expect it to run GREAT. It can be done by a good tech with the knowledge of the Rotary. I've had many Rotary Mazda's and reved them all without a problem.
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by New Yorker
Great idea! But first, you should correct your statement: there hasn't been a "failure of stock engines"; instead, a number of engines have failed Mazda's compression test, and Mazda elected to replace—rather than just repair—the engines that failed that test. I find it ironic that if Mazda had taken the easy way out and merely repaired the engines, there'd be no engine "failures" to speak of. (To most people—including people who casually visit this website to research the car—"engine failure" means engines blowing up, or suddenly seizing and stopping dead in their tracks, like in that old motor oil "torture test" commercial—a dramatic, scary image, to be sure, but not the case here.) Also, I suspect "stock' engines are hardly the problem—be sure to ask these questions:

• Is the engine as Mazda engineers designed and tuned it—or have you modified anything under the hood?
• Have you changed or removed the OEM catalytic converter?
• Have you modified the car mechanically (i.e. adding "oil cooler screens") in any way?
• Do you check oil level every other fill-up?
• Do you make sure the oil level never, ever reads below "low" on the dipstick?
• Do you follow Mazda's fuel recommendation (premium, non-synthetic)?
• Do you put anything into the fuel tank besides… fuel?
I *dont* think any dealership in the states can repair any rotary engines, not to mention some of them dont even know HTF rotary engine works (or looks like inside). Thats probaby why Mazda choose to replace rather than repair. I bet if they picked repair rather than replace, its just gonna create EVEN MORE problems.

dealership are staffed with nothing but morons (ok, most dealerships) They're techs, not mechs, techs can replace parts, and thats about it.

this engine is really a hit or miss, at least for 04. me and you has a 05, it runs fine. it runs even stronger now, my butt dyno tells me that :P

I've been using premix for more than a year I think, thats at least 15K miles. Im ok.

Sooner or later I will have to replace my engine, but Im expecting my engine to last till at LEAST 150K miles.

and I never 100% listen to what Mazda saids, I do use Premium all the way, but I use nothing but Full Synthetic, oh and 5w30. no problem. 36K miles. going to 37

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