Lee Chun

Wow, you are so right!! You are cool!! Just like the neon lights and the cool spoiler you're getting on the 8!!

ibfubar2000

no i didnt go to college. and yes i am 37 years old. and i mentioned high schoolers because that seems to be the age of your mentality! you seem so jealous over a 17 year old!!

ibfubar2000

hell ill probebly be the first person to post his speeding ticket on line too.

Hercules

It's really quite simple... I don't want to fix that first car.

I know the seen and UNSEEN damage I did to the first car I got (which was slow, ugly, and terrible) and had my parents tried to fix it they'd wind up paying more than the car was worth.

First car is always the crap car. Did your mother put you right onto the toilet bowl to potty train you? Or did she work you towards it? Small steps, learn first, then graduate to the big things.

This is also why when you go to a motorcycle training school, they teach you on slow, piece of crap bikes. It's the same with anything in life. You learn from the junkiest piece of crap... and work your way up.

It's not only the fact that the car will be cheaper to replace or insure... it's that my kid will not have earned it. My sister will have not earned a 30k car. Not a 20k car. 5k she hasn't even earned but she *will* need to learn to drive and I will make a minimal investment on her part to get her on that road.

If she wants a nice car... she can go out and earn it later on. That's why earlier on I mentioned about giving your kids things like an RX-8.. This idea of instant gratification to kids that haven't accomplished a damn thing in their life, have worked doing menial jobs to get a few bucks for the movies and hanging out with their friends, while you fill their pockets anyways will never appreciate something of value. Rich kids that get handed things to them have grown up by in large (Princeton study, so don't take *my* word for it, read about it in Psych class) have a much poorer attitude to people 'lower' than them.

And that is not the type of value I would like to instill into my sister, and into my kids. I want them to be hard working and appreciative like I have been. Just giving in does not accomplish those goals as a parent or a brother.

ibfubar2000

hell hes 17 year old annd his dad is buying him a car chances are he never has had to earn anything or work for anything and chances are he never will. it is a diffrerent life style when you have money. the owner of the car dealership has so much money his kids never have to work and never will. and there first cars were brand new corvettes!! chances are if his dad can buy him an rx8 his dad can repair the dents or buy him another!

crouzer

Wow what a simple minded flame war this has turned in to. Really sad that some have to repeat their point of view because of the thick headedness of others.

Makes you wonder how some people come to their conclusions such as this "jealously" thing. With this logic I guess the entire insurance industry is jealous of teenagers driving sports cars. Hahaha

And I thought car+inexperienced driver=potential accident was common sense. This thread has really shown the different levels of maturity of potential RX-8 owners.

Its also obvious some haven't even bothered reading the entire thread.

ibfubar2000

yeah but it is fun. besides there is nothing on tv to watch, so might as well start a flame war!:D

Hercules

That's simply not true.

I know a girl that I went to school with me... her dad owns the largest car dealer in all of New Jersey.

She drives a Focus that *she* paid for from her dad's dealer. She works a job in addition to going to school. Her dad will not 'hand over' the dealer to her and instead decided to make sure she's working hard and earning her keep until the time comes when he either sells the dealers he owns, or whatever.

But I see in her a work ethic that I'm impressed by. The only thing she gets is her college tuition (and I didn't even get that, I took out loans and had scholarships). No shopping money. No food money. No 'going out' money. Nothing from her parents.

It's all a matter of the choices you make. If you want to spoil your kids... that's fine. But then you just leave them unprepared for the challenges that will likely manifest themselves in the future in any shape or form. Their entire lives being based on the complete dependance on their parents will be shattered and they won't be able to cope with the simplest of things.

Now you live in California... and it's likely a much richer area than Jersey. But I think in California (and I have an uncle that I've visited for a while there) people are much more full of themselves, pride themselves on outer appearance, which is why you see so many plastic surgeons and 'bling bling' rides in the area.

Just to keep things in perspective.. what's the MOST popular car driven by MULTI MILLIONAIRES?

A Ford F150 Pickup.

Life for your children is a series of learned lessons and choices made, and the goal as a parent is to help your kids make the right decisions early on, and challenge them to better themselves. Handing things on a silver platter to anybody doesn't build any type of character. It builds the people I hate in life... stuck up, snobbish, and very poorly mannered/vicious people.

I don't want my sister to turn out like that, nor would I want my kids to. In the end it's the choices you make and decide not to make that will ultimately influence a great deal of your child's behavior later on.

Since you aren't having kids though... this entire discussion is irrelevant to you because you will simply *never* understand.

Hercules

I wonder what end of the spectrum I've placed myself.. :D

ibfubar2000

hey maybe we should start a flaming poll....:D

i bet i get more votes than you...:D

Hercules

That's a bet I wouldn't take.

ibfubar2000

see right there even you agree everybody is different. you are saying that this 17 year old should not have an rx8. hell let the kid have his rx8 for his first car. let him enjoy life. i am earning my rx8 just like you. i wish someone would buy me one. but if someone wants to buy his kid a car let him! dont make the kid feel like he is lower than life. hell i think we already pissed him off i havent even seen him post anything in a few days.

Hercules

I also said that parents stop need to giving in to their kids whims and really realize the decisions they make can affect their kid's lives in many, many ways.

Now if his dad did his homework and realizes that kids act differently with parents than with friends and STILL buys the car.. that's his choice. But the information is here and most people (aside from you, who does not have have kids and would not understand anyway) would agree that any flashy car as a *first* car is a bad idea.

Personally if the RX-8 had 120 horsepower in it... I would still not buy it for my sister. Flashy LOOKING cars are just as bad as powerful cars for teens to get egged on by their friends. But that's me. A crapmobile is required by me at least, for my sister to appreciate a good work ethic and earn something on her own. Though knowing her, she would likely not care what car she drives.

As per "you wouldn't mind" if somebody handed you an RX-8. If it were a contest that you won the car or something that's great.. but to even consider a handout like that I could not do it. It's also the reason you turn down money from relatives when you didn't deserve it but of course... you likely never had that problem.

ibfubar2000

hell ill take money from anybody that wants to give it to me. i have no ethics but at least i have an rx8 .

see everybody is different. ill take money from anybody and you would rather earn it.

Hercules

It's what separates the men from the boys, I spose.

I respect people that work hard a lot more than the losers who cruise by on coattails of others.

I would imagine though... you're probably in the latter portion of my example. Either way though... I don't really care.

ibfubar2000

hey we both agree on somethng! NOBODY REALLY CARES!! lets just have fun and enjoy our cars!!.......zoom zoom!!

Hercules

I actually meant that in response to pretty much anything you have to say.. I don't really care.

Either way it's a tired debate... nobody's going to 'win' so let's stop it here.

B-Nez

Out of curiosity, how old was the driver of the Honda? You imply that the 23-yr old Mustang driver bears complete responsibility for the deaths. As such, you also condone street racing by projecting blame on one driver (for swerving at 90) and not the other. Either that, or you told us only half of the details to slant the account in favor of your point.

Edit: P.S. I'm not even touching this topic, or it's undertopic rather, with a 10-foot pole. I've stated my opinion in previous threads, and simply don't have the time or desire to get into this.

Hercules

B-Nez trust me after two pages now...

It's pointless arguing with a person that's not competent to bring valid points to an arguement.

I've already given up.

ibfubar2000

dont know the honda driver took off. the news was looking for witnesses. it was a street race during the middle of the day. they were both racing on two lanes and the ford passed a truck by going into the oncoming traffic hitting an uncoming car. killing the driver and passenger. he survived, so it is up to the court to decide if he is fully responsible. but it sure sounds like it.

B-Nez

I hear you there, Herc. Wasn't even THINKIN of it! I skipped this thread all this time, because of the Thread title, decided to read it for S&Gs. Glad I missed out. :D

ibfubar2000

here is the msnbc thread about the accident if anybody is intersted.


http://www.msnbc.com/local/myoc/m292344.asp

Hercules

Thanks for that link... just proved my point two times over:

ibfubar2000

yep it did. also proved it can happen in any car. be it 30k or not. price makes no difference. they will still race. if they have a 30k car or not. so if someone wants to let there kid drive a 30k car let them....


well before i **** off anybody else that i havent already pissed off. (sorry to bring this forum to this pissing contest i apologise to everyone who got stuck reading all this junk-even hercules) i am going to sleep. night all!!

Calibus

OK i was stayin out of this but i will put my .02cents in.
1. If the parents want to endulge their kid with a brand new RX-8 thats their prob, I mean chances are yes that is not the smart thing to do. I think that people who buy their own cars and pay their OWN insurance become much better drivers. They will actually think before doin stupid stuff. Yes most people dont appreciate what they get if they dont work for it but thats not the main point.
I dont give a rats *** what kind of example they set to their kid or what kind of person he will turn out to be.

It is simple statistics Inexperienced drivers fast cars= trouble.
Why do u think insurance rates are astronomical for a young driver. The more flash and power a car has the more chance there is that a young person will get in an accident with it.
I dont even care if he wraps himself around a tree and dies not my kid and not my family what i do care about is
If he hits me or someone else while doin it and kills someone who was doin nothin wrong.
My first car was a 1981 1500cc Honda Civic with 120k miles had no AC and No power was a real beater. The car would not even go over 75. Though i did abuse it the lack of power and flash kept me out of alot of trouble. As i got older i bought several cars that i restored and since i put in my own money and time i am very carefull with my cars though they have a sick pwr potential "70 Chevelle SS 396 and 69 Camaro SS 350" I do take care of my cars and the point is that if someone gave me a M3 or RX-8 at 17 i prob would not be here to talk about it.
But the main thing is that his parents have no respect for other people letting a 17 year old on the road with a fast car what will they say to someone if he kills them "god forbid" sorry.