(4) Rotary engines - Introduce a new generation gasoline rotary engine with enhanced
03-22-2007, 02:07 PM
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(4) Rotary engines - Introduce a new generation gasoline rotary engine with enhanced
power and fuel efficiency toward the start of the decade beginning in 2010.
http://www.paddocktalk.com/news/html...icle&sid=50877
I thought it could have its own thread
http://www.paddocktalk.com/news/html...icle&sid=50877
I thought it could have its own thread
03-22-2007, 02:20 PM
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while people in this forum are discusing the end for thr rx-8 mazda is making another rotary model 
This is by far the best news I have heard in a long time, so expect a new rx-?? by 2010.
This is by far the best news I have heard in a long time, so expect a new rx-?? by 2010.
03-22-2007, 02:52 PM
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Wooooo!!!!
The development continues. This probably means we'll see no development with the current Renesis which implies no power increases. Maybe they are funneling all rotary development to this "project."
The development continues. This probably means we'll see no development with the current Renesis which implies no power increases. Maybe they are funneling all rotary development to this "project."
03-22-2007, 04:26 PM
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Cool.
Mazda has some ***** (see RX-7 and RX-8). Definitely not easy to put sports cars on the market powered by a customized engine that doesn't use pistons.
Mazda has some ***** (see RX-7 and RX-8). Definitely not easy to put sports cars on the market powered by a customized engine that doesn't use pistons.
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03-22-2007, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by snizzle
Wooooo!!!!
The development continues. This probably means we'll see no development with the current Renesis which implies no power increases. Maybe they are funneling all rotary development to this "project."
The development continues. This probably means we'll see no development with the current Renesis which implies no power increases. Maybe they are funneling all rotary development to this "project."
03-22-2007, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
while people in this forum are discusing the end for thr rx-8 mazda is making another rotary model
This is by far the best news I have heard in a long time, so expect a new rx-?? by 2010.
This is by far the best news I have heard in a long time, so expect a new rx-?? by 2010.
03-22-2007, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RX-Hachi
If that time line holds true, it could mean a new RX car for MY'11. I can't wait that long! 
On the other hand I am pretty happy that I will have a current car till 2010
03-22-2007, 07:04 PM
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WTF? About 4 days ago I made a post about Mazda's future plans with the rotary (and other engines) as a part of their move towards being "THE" car of the future, and it turned into a "Have you guys seen the Ryuga?? It's so ugly!!!" thread.
Did everyone get over the whole Ryuga thing in 4 days or what?
Meh - doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that Mazda ♥'s the rotary as much as we do, and it ain't goin nowhere
*Drools at thought of AWD 3-rotor RX-9 getting 50mpg*
Did everyone get over the whole Ryuga thing in 4 days or what?
Meh - doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that Mazda ♥'s the rotary as much as we do, and it ain't goin nowhere
*Drools at thought of AWD 3-rotor RX-9 getting 50mpg*
03-22-2007, 07:06 PM
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I'll snap his neck.
Sorry to be a burster of bubbles, but it does say "toward the start of the decade beginning in 2010". The question is what do they mean by "toward the start of the decade"? This could be 2013 for all we know....
03-22-2007, 07:06 PM
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Mazda will have to knock the next rotary engine out of the park to be compliant in all the markets they want to sell it in. This is a good thing, because as the engine has gotten cleaner and more fuel efficient, its also gotten lighter and more powerful.
This will not be easily IMO to pull off, it will take some serious research $$$$ (prolly already going on) and likely other applications (think other Rotary powered vehicles) to make it happen. I think will we see a rotary electric hybrid in a non sportscar application as well as a non hybrid sports car application around that time (FY 2010)
True direct injection is the only way this can be achieved. Combine that with a all aluminum block and all electric accessories, and you've likely have an engine that will meet emissions / economy standards and be salable to to public. I think Mazda should also consider other non automotive uses for the engine, such as boats / generators etc....anything that can help them sell more and amortize the R&D costs.
This will not be easily IMO to pull off, it will take some serious research $$$$ (prolly already going on) and likely other applications (think other Rotary powered vehicles) to make it happen. I think will we see a rotary electric hybrid in a non sportscar application as well as a non hybrid sports car application around that time (FY 2010)
True direct injection is the only way this can be achieved. Combine that with a all aluminum block and all electric accessories, and you've likely have an engine that will meet emissions / economy standards and be salable to to public. I think Mazda should also consider other non automotive uses for the engine, such as boats / generators etc....anything that can help them sell more and amortize the R&D costs.
03-22-2007, 08:48 PM
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Sounds like Mazda is moving ahead in all aspects of service, sales, design,and ZOOM ZOOM!!
I like this,,,
(3) Automatic transmissions
- Introduce a new automatic transmission with improved fuel efficiency and performance comparable to that of a manual transmission toward the start of the decade beginning in 2010.
and this,,,
1. North America
- Strengthen the product lineup by introducing products that reflect the voice of the customer. Improve customer satisfaction at all touchpoints.
- Accelerate development of next-generation dealerships that are consistent with Mazda's brand strategy. Improve sales productivity at exclusive dealers.
- Strengthen marketing initiatives to deepen relationships with Mazda's younger customer base.
- Work toward gaining 100 percent control of distributors in the United States and Canada.
This is from the other article on "Paddock Talk"
Read this also.
I like this,,,
(3) Automatic transmissions
- Introduce a new automatic transmission with improved fuel efficiency and performance comparable to that of a manual transmission toward the start of the decade beginning in 2010.
and this,,,
1. North America
- Strengthen the product lineup by introducing products that reflect the voice of the customer. Improve customer satisfaction at all touchpoints.
- Accelerate development of next-generation dealerships that are consistent with Mazda's brand strategy. Improve sales productivity at exclusive dealers.
- Strengthen marketing initiatives to deepen relationships with Mazda's younger customer base.
- Work toward gaining 100 percent control of distributors in the United States and Canada.
This is from the other article on "Paddock Talk"
Read this also.
03-22-2007, 09:36 PM
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Also saw this on Motor trend website blog:
Mazda future plans include U.S diesel, next rotary, hydrogen
Posted 3/22/2007 12:20:32 PM by Rory Jurnecka
Filed under: Car News, Mazda
Mazda RX-8 RE Hydrogen
Mazda has recently announced plans for a clean diesel engine and new generation rotary engine both to be sold in the U.S. by 2010. Although details are scarce, Mazda says the engines are part of a long-term goal to increase power, efficiency and emissions in Mazda vehicles. The Japanese automaker is also making a commitment to hydrogen technology and to lighten its vehicles.
The diesel powerplant will be built to satisfy U.S. emissions requirements, which presumably means it will be 50-state legal, meeting the tougher Bin 5 standards enforced in such states as California and New York. This would enable Mazda to compete with other manufacturers such as Volkswagen and Nissan who have similar goals and timeframes.
The new rotary engine will seek to offer more power than Mazda's current Renesis engine while improving what has always been the rotary's weak spot, fuel economy. Details have not yet been provided on what type of car the new engine could power, but we're hoping for the long-overdue return of the RX-7 rotary sports car.
Development will also begin on a more fuel efficient automatic transmission as well as a new hydrogen powerplant, although there is no word on where a hydrogen vehicle would be marketed.
Mazda future plans include U.S diesel, next rotary, hydrogen
Posted 3/22/2007 12:20:32 PM by Rory Jurnecka
Filed under: Car News, Mazda
Mazda RX-8 RE Hydrogen
Mazda has recently announced plans for a clean diesel engine and new generation rotary engine both to be sold in the U.S. by 2010. Although details are scarce, Mazda says the engines are part of a long-term goal to increase power, efficiency and emissions in Mazda vehicles. The Japanese automaker is also making a commitment to hydrogen technology and to lighten its vehicles.
The diesel powerplant will be built to satisfy U.S. emissions requirements, which presumably means it will be 50-state legal, meeting the tougher Bin 5 standards enforced in such states as California and New York. This would enable Mazda to compete with other manufacturers such as Volkswagen and Nissan who have similar goals and timeframes.
The new rotary engine will seek to offer more power than Mazda's current Renesis engine while improving what has always been the rotary's weak spot, fuel economy. Details have not yet been provided on what type of car the new engine could power, but we're hoping for the long-overdue return of the RX-7 rotary sports car.
Development will also begin on a more fuel efficient automatic transmission as well as a new hydrogen powerplant, although there is no word on where a hydrogen vehicle would be marketed.
03-22-2007, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ½mv²
WTF? About 4 days ago I made a post about Mazda's future plans with the rotary (and other engines) as a part of their move towards being "THE" car of the future, and it turned into a "Have you guys seen the Ryuga?? It's so ugly!!!" thread.
Did everyone get over the whole Ryuga thing in 4 days or what?
Meh - doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that Mazda ♥'s the rotary as much as we do, and it ain't goin nowhere *Drools at thought of AWD 3-rotor RX-9 getting 50mpg*
Did everyone get over the whole Ryuga thing in 4 days or what?
Meh - doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that Mazda ♥'s the rotary as much as we do, and it ain't goin nowhere
*Drools at thought of AWD 3-rotor RX-9 getting 50mpg*
03-22-2007, 10:03 PM
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Makes me wonder even more if those powdered metal titanium triangular thingies were for Mazda....
Looks like Mazda will finally be getting on with a Van Dorn CVT. Drove a Murano for a week, it took me about an hour to get used to it and about a year to used to a conventional gearchange auto tranny. Good for about 15% milage boost in city driving, does nothing for highway as you would expect. Ford has a CVT so I'm betting they'll share.
I'll be ready for a new one in 2011.
Looks like Mazda will finally be getting on with a Van Dorn CVT. Drove a Murano for a week, it took me about an hour to get used to it and about a year to used to a conventional gearchange auto tranny. Good for about 15% milage boost in city driving, does nothing for highway as you would expect. Ford has a CVT so I'm betting they'll share.
I'll be ready for a new one in 2011.
03-22-2007, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by brillo
Mazda will have to knock the next rotary engine out of the park to be compliant in all the markets they want to sell it in. This is a good thing, because as the engine has gotten cleaner and more fuel efficient, its also gotten lighter and more powerful.
This will not be easily IMO to pull off, it will take some serious research $$$$ (prolly already going on) and likely other applications (think other Rotary powered vehicles) to make it happen. I think will we see a rotary electric hybrid in a non sportscar application as well as a non hybrid sports car application around that time (FY 2010)
True direct injection is the only way this can be achieved. Combine that with a all aluminum block and all electric accessories, and you've likely have an engine that will meet emissions / economy standards and be salable to to public. I think Mazda should also consider other non automotive uses for the engine, such as boats / generators etc....anything that can help them sell more and amortize the R&D costs.
This will not be easily IMO to pull off, it will take some serious research $$$$ (prolly already going on) and likely other applications (think other Rotary powered vehicles) to make it happen. I think will we see a rotary electric hybrid in a non sportscar application as well as a non hybrid sports car application around that time (FY 2010)
True direct injection is the only way this can be achieved. Combine that with a all aluminum block and all electric accessories, and you've likely have an engine that will meet emissions / economy standards and be salable to to public. I think Mazda should also consider other non automotive uses for the engine, such as boats / generators etc....anything that can help them sell more and amortize the R&D costs.
The straight through drivetrain in the 8 could make integration of the two easier than other vehicles.
The engine wouldn't necessarily be much more powerful but torque could be doubled.
Look at the torque curve on the Prius. 350Nm would make the 8 a good deal faster than the 350Z
03-22-2007, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by brillo
True direct injection is the only way this can be achieved. Combine that with a all aluminum block and all electric accessories, and you've likely have an engine that will meet emissions / economy standards and be salable to to public.
. If they can, great- with it all the benefits of reduced weight.
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Great!. Time to save up for a new car in 2010. Regardless of how the car looks, I will be getting that second rotary car to add to my RX8. I can live with a 2 seater this time around... I will still have the RX8 by then. Zoom Zoom lives!.