Brice-RX8

Yea, there shouldn't be anything wrong with a reman. engine, it has to pass the same tests as a new one.

BoilerX8

It will still have the original warranty, so why should you care if it is a remanufactured or a new engine?

Riggs

I believe that would fall under 'principal'.

bd32322

Well I think Mazda should provide a new engine since it was defective to start with since new (manufacturing defects) and didnt crap out because of driving etc. Given the choice of a new engine or a reman engine after 3k miles of driving your new 8, what would you take?

Should I have paid full price for a car that came with a defective engine with the assurance that when the engine dies Mazda will give me a reman engine?

I for one, will be majorly pissed.

- Bodi

Mugatu

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parts are parts. if they work the same way, are OEM Mazda parts and are fully warrantied, why should it matter one bit? are you eating dinner off the engine block that the engine needs to be spanking new and clean?

Ike

How many of these do we have to get to before you guys will stop this nonsense and actually admit there are some issues with the Renesis? An engines breaks and you guys say someone didn't drive the car right, or it's the heats fauilt, an engine floods, and it's because someone didn't warm it up enough. ENGINES SHOULDN'T ONLY LAST 3K MILES NOT MATTER HOW YOU DRIVE THEM, AND THEY SHOULDN'T FREAKING FLOOD, THIS IS THE YEAR 2006!

Krankor

Every time I start to think that maybe Ike isn't a complete troll, he comes through for me. Thanks, buddy.

tiggerlee

And what about all those who haven't had any of the above mentioned issues? Would those be considered "flukes" in your opinion? I have had flawless performance since day one. No power loss,no flooding,no pinging,backfires, blah blah blah......not one single problem. I think reading those posts on here about the bad engines, floods etc. seem to get the most attention. Considering were dealing with an unconventional engine there are bound to be some unresolved issues. People should really educate themselves fully before purchasing this car.

Ike

I don't think the cars that aren't having issues are flukes. Overall the RX-8 is a reliable car in my eyes, but there are more engine failures than there should be, and the flooding thing is unacceptable in this day and age IMO. The flooding thing alone will keep me from ever owning a rotary as a daily driver, even if they do make one that quenches my horsepower cravings. I rely on my car too much, make too many short trips, and forget too many things when I leave my house and already have the car on.

Ike

I aim to please!

RotoRocket

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I still would absolutely love to see a data chart showing the frequency of catastrophic failures of the Renesis motor, and weigh it against the average failure rate for piston motors.

Ike

Would be interesting to see, even if it proved me totally wrong.

demob05

Yes... but this current one that crapped out at 3,000 miles also probably had to have passed the same tests too at some point (guess you can't get em all).

To confirm, anyone that gets a replaced (reman) engine under warranty, the 50,000 mile/ 5 year warranty clock starts from the beginning again?? And Is that just on the powertrain (as opposed to bumper to bumper, logically thinking), or even limited to the new motor itself only??

bd32322

Guys .. its not about my engine is flawless - therefore everybody elses should be.. Thats just the wrong idea.

Instead if some engines are turning out bad - then there is a quality control problem and not a technological problem. If the rotary engine were quirky everybody would have the same problem.

So if there is a quality control problem, Mazda should examine its manufacturing/testing/quality control process. Thats the point - not whether the rotary sux or not. Otherwise it will go the way of some unreliable cars that have become extinct now.

I own a 6-speed 2005 and I have started it shut it down and started it again (well I actually stalled ) repeatedly with no problems - no flooding and knocking and other issues. That doesnt mean all the engines are being manufactured the same way.

- Bodi

Glyphon

how many times does this need to be said?

every single car made, even the brand new 2006 [insert what you believe to be the most reliable car ever] can potientially flood. period. end of discussion.

the only difference is, piston engines by design recover from flooding better than rotary engines. piston engines, the extra gas will eventually leak out of the combustion chamber. in the rotary engine, there is no exit for the gas to leak out of. and a good portion of the flooded rx8s likely wouldn't have needed to be towed to the dealer if the rx8 shipped with a stronger starter and battery.

the whole "its 2006, a new car built today shouldn't have [insert various problem]" argument is bs. every single car made today has some problem that "it shouldn't have since its a 2006 car". screw that. its designed by people and made by people. people make mistakes, cars are extremely complicated, and only getting more complicated as time goes by. and there are limits to our technological knowledge, and there are some issues that come about in an effort to keep costs down.

none of these aspects are going away anytime soon, and as a result, all the cars, built by every manufacturer for the forseeable future is going to continue to have some problem of some sort. until you can mass produce a car that is flawless in every single aspect, that meets all the different requirments that modern cars have to meet, get over it

wow...i'm in a bad mood today.

also, not directed at anyone in general (especially not the OP who's engine died), i'm just tired of seeing people bitch and moan about the same issues ad nauseum.

bd32322

at the risk of angering you more with another post - the issue in this thread is not about flooding, which I can understand as a difference between rotaries and pistons.. but the fact that this guys engine was sent to scrap heap after 3k miles.

Its okay if its not that common but according to posts there have been quite a few ones. I really dont know how common this occurence is, so I'll shut up about mazda quality control.

- Bodi

Glyphon

nope, but flooding was brought up in this thread

and it truly sucks for the guy who's engine died. he just was unlucky and drew the short straw. can happen with any car. a few months ago, i did some calculations with the (at that time) known number of replaced engines, with the number of produced engines. it ended up being either 2% or 3%, iirc...and a good portion of those were in one region. hardly signs of an extremely flawed engine design. but what do i know

czr

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My parents' had a recent 5 series bimmer's engine crap out on us at very low mileage for no real reason. Never reported the issue on any forum but it does happen. I would like to see how the renesis compares and how various makes/models compare.

Brice-RX8

Look at the 350z and G35 forums, they have a few people that are experiencing oil consumption problems and having engines replaced. Issues occur with all cars like Glyphon said, you just hear more about it on message boards.

lonecow

o.k., I started this so this is it till I get the new engine. First of all when I said it was my wifes car and she drives to work and back, she is not an old lady looking through the steering wheel and going 40MPH everywhere. She used to have an RX-7 and she does get the rpms up as she does a lot freeway on and offs. Number two, I raised hell and I am getting a new engine. For those of you said who cares if it is rebuilt or new, it matters on the resale end. In 2-3 years when you sell the car, you must disclose any problems. Research shows you take an average hit of $2,000 by saying your engine is remanufactured. I will like the extra $2,000 in a couple of years some of you may not!!

beachdog

lonecow, what proof are they providing that they have installed a factory new engine?

Glyphon

only if they ask (it'd show up in a carfax though)
and if the remanu engine is workign well, there's not reason for them to ask. also, i'm planning on keeping mine for a good deal longer than 2-3 year. but i definately get the point you are making.

Ike

Wasn't there someone that said this same thing a little while back and they still got a reman?

RotoRocket

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If I ever had a complete engine failure, there is absolutely no way I'd accept a rebuilt engine in lieu of a new one, unless Mazda agreed to warrant the rebuilt engine for an additional 4 years/50,000 miles.