Arca's Time Attack Build Thread (13b-REW Swap)
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EDIT 3/23/14: If you're looking for 13b-REW content, it starts at post #109. :)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, here it is. Finally decided to start a build thread to try and help chronicle the progression of my car and share experiences at the track and also get feedback to help make the car faster. Long term goals for the build: Compete in Global Time Attack in the Limited RWD class. Secondary goal is to try to stay competitive in NASA Time Trials and the UMS Tuning Time Attack Series, but eventually it will only be going to larger scale time attack events. Naturally Aspirated 20b or 13b-REW mated to a Faceplated (Dog Engagement) T56 Transmission (This is YEARS off in the future, don't get excited.) I've learned a lot from this place over the years and had some trial and error with the car, feel free to laugh at stupid mods or mistakes or miscellaneous rice-tastic happenings with the car. The following pictures show two of the photos from the Craigslist ad when I bought the car in May of 2011 and how it sits today. I'll do a recap of the build up to this point in the following posts over maybe the next week or so, and then start with what I'm doing on the car right now. It's been on jackstands for almost a year while I've been gathering parts and funds and motivation to work on it, which has been hard since my main distraction has been a 1994 Miata R Package that my dad purchased and I've been helping him build that up and co-driving it at events as well. May 2011: 2005 RX-8 Touring, Whitewater Pearl, 6-Speed Manual, approx 75k miles. Attachment 223537 Attachment 223538 November 2013: Attachment 223539 |
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So this car was my first car and daily driver. I had never needed a car but for my Junior year of college I had moved back to the parents house (rent was way cheaper there LOL) and needed transportation. Bought this car on an impulse knowing almost nothing about rotary engines besides the very basics of the internal workings. After I brought it home I began pouring over thread after thread here just taking in as much information as I could.
The mods on the car when I got it were: Ricer autozone fog lights 19x8.5 front and 19x9.5 rear XIX X05 wheels that were painted gloss black on the lips and candy apple red metallic faces. Shitty chinese tires. K&N Typhoon V2 Hot Air Intake Eibach Lowering Springs Blown out original shocks Mad tyte vortex generators Here's a picture of me driving the car for the first time. Was my first time driving a manual car as well but I picked it up quickly. Never stalled it and to this day the original clutch and trans is still fine to my surprise. Attachment 223534 Fast forward a couple months to August 2011. I had done some basic things like an Axial Flow short shifter and JDM clear corners. Here I am at my first NASA Arizona event at Firebird International Raceway West Track. My new friends that I had just made in the Arizona Mazda Club kept insisting that I come out to a track event, so I signed up and was pumped. I had never really known that road course type events even existed at an amateur level that anybody could participate in so the whole experience was mind blowing to me. I had no idea at the time but this was the initial push down a very slippery slope. After seeing all the cars out there and making some awesome new friends, I was hooked. Attachment 223535 Here's me out at Firebird again on their skidpad participating in my first SCCA Solo autocross event. It was fun but left me craving more track time (runs were only about 45 seconds), the amount of seat time compared to a normal road course event is almost nothing, but it was fun and good practice. I only participated in one more autocross a bit later after this and then went to driving pretty much only road course. Attachment 223536 |
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Some of the first modifications to the car were BHR Ignition, New Plugs, and Agency Power Dual Resonated Midpipe.
One of the coils was going bad and causing the car to run a bit rough, but since I'm super dooper smart now from reading all these awesome threads here, I knew that coils plugs and wires needed to be replaced since the previous owner had no idea when they were last serviced. I also got the midpipe because I was scared of the life expectancy of the catalytic converter since the ignition had been in less than stellar shape. I pulled it off and put it aside to use for emissions just in case, and thankfully it looked like it was in OK shape. Plugs that I pulled out with unknown mileage: Attachment 223533 |
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Next up was the first "big" round of upgrades.
The tires and brake pads on the car barely made it through my first track event... the chinese tires were chunking to pieces and the brake pads were pretty much down to the backing plates. Also the blown shocks and slamming off the bump stops the whole time and body roll needed to be addressed as well. I purchased some Powertrix Coilovers that orignally came with a requested 10k/7k spring rate, I love these things as a super budget friendly coilover setup that is track capable, but in the future will be considering switching out to something that is more of a "track only" setup. I also purchased Progress Tech sway bars and whiteline spherical endlinks from a local forum member and installed those after the brakes and coilovers. Awesome upgrade. And for a track set of wheels/tires I got some 17x9" +45 Enkei RPF1's with Dunlop Direzza Star Specs with almost all the tread left from another for sale thread here in the classifieds. Pictured: Powertrix Coilovers Hawk HP+ Brake Pads O'Reilly's Brand Blank Rotors Agency Power Stainless Braided Clutch and Brake lines ATE Super Blue Brake Fluid You'll soon learn that I am excellent at rationalizing additional upgrades with the "While I'm doing this, I might as well do this too" line of thinking. Attachment 223528 Installed: Attachment 223529 New ride height that was initially too low: Attachment 223530 Now it was time to hit the track. I had advanced quickly from HPDE1 to HPDE2 in my first event, then the next event I advanced again from HPDE2 to HPDE3. I was learning quickly and had great instruction on track from close friends that helped me a lot. Attachment 223531 This is my second and last official autocross event. Fun stuff but just not for me, always left me starving for more seat time. And it didn't help that my favorite part of driving on track is sketchy high speed sweepers. At our local autocross I was never able to get out of 2nd gear. Attachment 223532 |
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Started modding the car a tiny bit more, and started getting more serious about the track. My good friend Todd (Flashwing) gave me his old Espelir JGT500 catback exhaust and I did a couple other small odds and ends.
So after this I went in to get a Dyno to get classed for the UMS Tuning Time Attack Series. Power mods were: BHR Ignition K&N Typhoon V2 Hot Air Intake Agency Power Midpipe Espilir Catback Here is the dyno sheet, very disappointing to say the least. Attachment 223520 But oh well, I was having a good time. Next steps were taking some weight out and of course adding stickers to try and make up for that lost horsepower. On the way to Sevenstock 13 I believe it was: Attachment 223521 Firebawlz back at Firebird West Course again: Attachment 223522 Putting on some new 11k/8k springs that Powertrix hooked me up with when I was able to meet Charles at Sevenstock: Attachment 223523 Next tried to regain some power... Went to BHR Midpipe, AEM Intake wrapped in DEI Gold Reflect (which actually dropped intake temps 6 degrees closer to ambient. Intake air is now only 5 degrees above ambient when moving instead of 11), and got an Accessport with tuning from Jeff at Mazdamaniac. Attachment 223524 Attachment 223525 Also, cheap e-bay catch can just in case. Attachment 223526 Brake master cylinder brace (really helps with pedal feel while threshold braking). Attachment 223527 |
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I then sold the hideous red wheels that weighed 23508972385907 pounds, and got some stockers off of an Evo 8 that actually fit pretty decent. 17x8 +38 and even the hub bore matched the RX-8. Good wheels for daily driving and going to from the track.
Also more stickers because I needed more HP. Attachment 223511 Then comes the splitter build. This worked way better than I thought it would but over time the Arizona sun has taken its toll on the ABS plastic that I used. Car apart to measure up and make a splitter. Attachment 223512 Rough shape cut out of the splitter. It also replaces the undertray. Used 1/4" ABS plastic that I found sitting in my garage. Attachment 223513 Just sitting in place being held up by some wood blocks. Attachment 223514 Started working on supports. The splitter is attached to the lower bumper lip with bolts, and then I used threaded rod and fender washers/nuts to secure it. I bent the threaded rod around a coffee can and then covered them with plastic sheathing. Attachment 223515 Attachment 223516 Done. Attachment 223517 As you can see over time it has gotten warped. One thing on my to do list is to build a new one out of Alumalite and to also make it bigger. Also, the first time I had this out, everyone made bets as to how long until it ripped off the car since it is only attached to the bumper and to the two undertray bolts towards the back of the splitter. It has taken some pretty serious impacts and offroad excursions and has seen speeds up to about 130MPH and it has never shown any signs of failure. The next revision of the splitter will be supported by the front crash bar though since it should be producing much more downforce. This one is 4.5" beyond the bumper lip and the new one will be about 8" beyond the bumper lip. Attachment 223518 Attachment 223519 |
great thread. i have always hated your splitter. Function>form though
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Originally Posted by yomomspimp06
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great thread. i have always hated your splitter. Function>form though
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At this point for the sake of keeping some sense of time it's about the first or second quarter of 2012.
So after I switched to the BHR midpipe it changed the angle of my exhaust tips a little bit, I figured it was fine since BHR fitment usually has an excellent reputation but after my first track event with it on this happened and I have just left them off ever since. Attachment 223504 Added some gauges. AEM digital. These are okay gauges, I wouldn't buy them again. The LED indicators around the ring of the gauge that sweep as the number changes are going out. There is 2 or 3 of them burnt out in each gauge now. I don't know if it's the Arizona sun doing its thing or what the hell the problem is but oh well. It still displays the numbers just fine. I'll use these until I eventually just use a RacePak dash or something similar. Also deleted the air pump for a little weight reduction. Racing Beat adapters: Attachment 223505 AEM Gauges and Lotek gauge pod. Attachment 223506 Installed: Attachment 223507 After this there was a local dyno day coming up. Seafoamed the car for good measure the week before. Mods for this dyno: AEM Cold Air Intake Agency Power Pulley BHR Ignition Throttle body coolant bypass BHR Midpipe Espelir Catback Accessport with MM Calibrations It dyno'd 1HP higher and 5TQ higher... I started to suspect the APV's were not opening and that maybe the engine was not in the best of shape even after the new round of mods. I know these cars don't really stand to gain any power N/A but ONE HORSEPOWER? C'mon... Started planning for a preventative rebuild before I lost the motor. Also at the time it had begun leaking oil but I couldn't tell from where. Attachment 223508 Attachment 223509 |
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After figuring out that power mods were pretty much a total waste of money, the only way I was going to make this thing faster was to start taking weight out... and this is where the slippery slope got REALLY steep. I was just going to take out the sound dampening stereo and a couple other things but you can see that I got carried away, and before I knew it there wasn't a whole lot left in the car.
This was basically the turning point where the realization set in that I will pretty much never be able to sell this car and that it would one day be a dedicated track only vehicle. Race Car Funds! Attachment 223497 Getting a little bare in there... Attachment 223498 Removing sound deadening with dry ice. The best way to do this is to crush up the dried ice in a thick NON SEALED plastic bag and then spread it over the area. The smaller the chunks the better. Attachment 223499 18lbs of sound deadening removed. Attachment 223500 Sun roof unit was heavy, so I took it out and replaced it with a plexiglass insert. I cut it out of some smoked plexi that I had laying around in the garage and secured it with aluminum angle irons, flat head machine screws that I countersunk and then sealed it up with some flowable silicone. Attachment 223501 Attachment 223502 Attachment 223503 |
Good to see you put this all into one thread.
Did you remove the a/c? the whole system is pretty light, but its great for cooling too. How much weight have you removed? keep up the updates! |
Originally Posted by shr3da
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Good to see you put this all into one thread.
Did you remove the a/c? the whole system is pretty light, but its great for cooling too. How much weight have you removed? keep up the updates! I now have the A/C out and will be removing the dash soon to gut everything underneath it, and still need to pull out lots of wiring, get a lightweight battery in there, gut the doors, take the door windows out, replace the rear door windows with lexan as well as cut out that rear speaker deck and some other items. |
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So at this point, probably around the middle of 2012, my driving is starting to improve very rapidly. I was now driving in the advanced group, HPDE4, and started participating in the UMS Tuning Time Attack Series, the class in which I was in is limited to 15.0lbs/HP power to weight ratio or greater, DOT approved tires and those are just about the only major constraining rules.
Track event at Firebird International Raceway Main Course: Attachment 223483 I also moved up into NASA Time Trials after earning my TT License, and was competing in TT-C. There was only one other competitor in TT-C the weekend that I "tried out" during the last session, but I edged him out by a couple tenths of a second and since it was a new configuration for our region, I set a track record. The track was Inde Motorsports Ranch in Wilcox, AZ. Attachment 223484 Attachment 223485 And hey, look at that, I was starting to get some podium finishes in my Time Attack Class. When you podium you get a "cookie" as the prize lol. The pink piggy is unrelated if anyone was wondering. Attachment 223486 It was smoldering hot outside and I was seeing super high temps on track. Coolant was always 230+ and oil was 250+. I decided some hood vents could help and was not afraid of cutting up my stock hood since the paint was in terrible shape. The clear was flaking off and the color had started yellowing, I suspect the car had some sort of minor damage to the hood and the previous owner bought a new one and had it sprayed on the cheap since there are no accidents on the cars record. Flaky Crap: Attachment 223487 So I sanded everything down and ordered a louver kit from Gen Right Offroad, these are normally meant for Jeeps but they are very versatile, just cut and rivet them on. I was afraid of the hood losing structural integrity and when I cut the holes it got really flimsy but as soon as I riveted the louvers on it was just as strong as stock once again. Traced and ready to cut: Attachment 223488 Holes cut and sanding off all the crappy paint: Attachment 223489 I also fabbed up an HID light rig that attaches to the tow hooks for an upcoming night event and also added some cheapo foglights since I had taken the original Walmart specials out that the previous owner had fitted. The track I was heading to (Arroyo Seco Raceway in Deming, NM) is in the middle of nowhere, and only has one small incandescent light bulb near start finish. The rest is absolutely pitch black. More about this later. Attachment 223490 Attachment 223491 |
show us your seat already, gosh
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I'm getting there haha, it's not very exciting it's just four bolts through the floor pan.
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So, new mods are done. Meet up with some buddies and it's off to Arroyo Seco Raceway (ASR) in Deming, NM. A 5 hour drive from Phoenix, AZ.
I'm going there to participate in the Annual Night Attack event which is part of the ASR Super Lap Series of time attack events. The ruleset is the same as the UMS Tuning Time Attack series I am already participating in and the car was sitting at 17.8lbs/hp which was a little outgunned (the limit being 15.0lbs/hp) but I was hoping my extra lighting would allow me to go just as fast during the night as I was during the day. So I loaded up my wheels and my buddy's wheels: Attachment 223477 Met up with my buddies for the 5 hour drive: Attachment 223478 And then promptly got stuck in grid lock traffic IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, adding about 2 hours onto our already miserable drive time while we all sat cooking in race cars. Attachment 223479 I finally made it out there and this is where the picture that has been in my signature for awhile was taken, during one of the practice sessions right as the sun was setting. Attachment 223480 Now the fun part was coming. To give you guys an idea of how unbelievably dark it was out there, here is a video of my friend Tim who helps run the ASR Super Lap series and knows the track like the back of his hand. He has a WICKED fast Evo 9 that he dominates unlimited class with, and last time I checked he was pushing almost 500AWHP to the ground and the car weighs just a tad under 3000lbs. I'm sure he's putting down more power and taken more weight out since then. Also keep in mind, that the traffic on that highway is moving at 80MPH and he's blowing past it like it's standing still. If you are interested in seeing another awesome racecar build thread, you can find the story of "Project Grey Bush" here: CrucesStreets.com - View topic - Kidloco's project Grey Bush To my surprise, the lights paid off. Driving that track in the dead of night was still absolutely terrifying and I went almost 2 seconds slower than during the day, but most of the other people with insufficient lighting slowed down by 5 seconds or more. This was my first win at a Time Attack competition, and instead of just a sticker, I got a sticker AND A SWEET MUG! Attachment 223481 Yeah buddy! Attachment 223482 |
wow, thanks for posting a thread. Inspires me to do my first hpde and maybe move up the ranks..
though i could never hack up my interior and turn it into a race car. Bucket seat and a bar to attach the harness to is as much as i think i would be willing to do. I like your vents, i was going to get shitty hood for cheap and cut and insert a evo hood vent. |
This is awesome.
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Only a couple more posts away from being up to date then comes pictures of all the crap I have waiting to go on the car lol.
Originally Posted by EricB
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wow, thanks for posting a thread. Inspires me to do my first hpde and maybe move up the ranks..
though i could never hack up my interior and turn it into a race car. Bucket seat and a bar to attach the harness to is as much as i think i would be willing to do. I like your vents, i was going to get shitty hood for cheap and cut and insert a evo hood vent.
Originally Posted by Wolfe
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This is awesome.
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So after Arroyo Seco I had the car down for a bit for some safety and driver comfort upgrades since I was starting to get faster and faster. I was absolutely sick of practically falling out the stock seat now that I was on R compound tires that produce considerable lateral grip. Also was sick of banging my head off the roof all the time since I'm so damn tall.
In order to be safe with fixed back seats, I needed to have a roll bar since in the event of a rollover, the stock seats can recline backwards but in a fixed back you can be crushed, as well as needing a place to attach a 6 point harness. (If you're considering a 5 point, buy a 6 point instead and your family jewels will thank you later.) Now, I always get asked questions about harnesses, how they should be mounted, what kind to get, and I also see a ton of extremely unsafe setups that are being used with organizations that don't care about safety and have laughable "tech inspections". Which brings me to my next segment: Safety Tips for Harnesses and Harness Mounting: DO NOT USE A 4 POINT HARNESS UNLESS IT HAS AN ANTI-SUBMARINE FEATURE. The only companies that I am aware of that have Anti-Submarine 4-point belts are Takata, and Scroth. Now before you Takata guys are like "sweet, I'm safe and ready to roll then", their Anti-Submarine version is relatively new and is clearly labeled. If yours does not have the label, you are at risk of serious injury or death in the event of a front end collision. See this video for reference: Also, here is a diagram of how to properly mount your harnesses courtesy of Crow Enterprizes, who also happens to sell some excellent safety equipment with killer prices. http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j9...f.jpg~original I took the car to my buddy Junior at Fathead Fabrications here in Arizona to fab up a 6 point time trials legal roll bar. I will probably later expand this into a full cage if I get going much faster... but for what I'm doing with the car a full cage is not required. Attachment 223462 Attachment 223463 Attachment 223464 Attachment 223465 Attachment 223466 Anyways. I got some Crow Enterprizes 6 point harnesses with sewn in shoulder pads. Purple is for the RX-8 and blue ones are for the Miata. Attachment 223467 Sparco Circuit II seat with Halo head restraints, for the big and tall driver... Attachment 223468 Seat installed, it's just bolted on a set of two plates of metal that were welded in, attached to standard side mount seat bracket and that's it. As low as you can get in this car. Steering wheel setup needs to be adjusted but I can still push the clutch down all the way. Great for weight distribution when you're practically driving from the back seat lol. Attachment 223469 New seating position. I am 6'5" and 250lbs... I can now barely see over the dash or out the side windows. AWESOME! Attachment 223470 NRG Gen 2.0 Quick Release, it's the tallest one they have to move the steering wheel closer. Purple and Neo-Chrome for extra mad tyte JDM ricer points. Also ordered up a Momo Hub Adapter and Momo Mod.08 Suede wheel which has a 90mm dish and 330mm diameter if I remember correctly. I am going to also have to add another like 1" or 2" spacer to move the wheel even closer as well as putting spacers on the steering column to move the wheel downwards more. http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j9...0.jpg~original Installed: Attachment 223471 |
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Kind of a little side adventure here, but getting around at the track in the pits was getting annoying just being on foot all the time, especially at larger tracks. I would see everyone zipping past me on small pit bikes and gopeds and bicycles etc, so I picked up a non-running GoPed Sport that is very portable and easy to use for 80 bucks from a friend. After putting about 160 bucks into it (I got a little carried away) it was set to go. All you have to do to start it is jump on and push since it is a direct drive spindle driven type, if the motor is running the wheels are turning.
Also makes for great entertainment during drunken pit vehicle races and burnout competitions at the away tracks while camping/partying at night. This thing is from 1992, still has the original motor and still runs like a champ. The only grief it gives me is at higher elevation tracks where it runs too rich, the jets in the carb are just too big even after messing with the adjustment needles. Maybe needs some new exhaust or something... LOL. Stuff I bought/Modded: New HP Carb Velocity Stack K&N Filter Sprayed Deck with Truck Bed Liner Black Magic 0.650 Extended Spindle DDM 3rd Bearing Support New Gas Tank and Lines New Spark Plug DDM Sticker for Extra HP Before: Attachment 223455 After: Attachment 223456 |
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So anyways, I've got all these new mods in, can't wait to try them out. Next track day is set. October, 2012 at Inde Motorsports Ranch.
I've been running on second hand tires for awhile now at this point, anything I could get my hands on. I finally decided to treat myself to some new meats for what was shaping up to be another glorious track weekend. Got everything set to go, got the new seat and harness to try out, the new steering wheel setup, brand spankin' new tires, and new pimped out pit transportation. I was ready to slay TA-A class in the UMS Tuning Time Attack, I've never gotten a first place before and the competition was going to be fierce. What I was used to: Attachment 223444 New meats, NT01 goodness, SIZE BIG. Attachment 223445 Out on track. Driving with the new seat and harness was amazeballs. After a track weekend my arms and shoulders and sides would all be sore from hanging off the wheel all weekend but driving was now effortless. The biggest difference was how much better I could feel the car. I could drive right up at the limit with confidence now and know exactly when I pushed the car too far and could feel everything that the car was doing. The rollbar also helped stiffen up the car and was very noticeable. Attachment 223446 Attachment 223447 And here is my car in the Time Attack impound while everyone anxiously awaits results. The NSX there in the picture is an unlimited competitor and is packing some heat. It puts out over 600 to the ground. Attachment 223448 Reading the results they start from last place and work their way to first, and we had made it all the way to third place and I still hadn't heard my name. When they announced the second place winner, it still wasn't me and I knew I had gotten my first win in the UMS Tuning Time Attack Series. Some of the time attack family from an event a ways back. I'm the tall guy in the middle haha. Attachment 223449 Now for the bad news. The reason I posted that picture above with the hood open. You see that faint line about halfway up the hood on the inside? It's kind of tough to see, but that's oil. Oil was everywhere, splattered all over the engine bay. When I had come off track there was a decent amount of smoke coming out of my passenger side hood vent and it was oil smoking off of the header heat shield. I later found out that the front main seal would leak oil like mad if you took it over 6000RPM and the e-shaft pulley and position gear would fling it everywhere. This is when I knew the engine had to come out. I wanted to do a preventative rebuild and try to regain some of my power back with a fresh build so I could be more competitive. Attachment 223450 Fast forward a couple months and we have this: Attachment 223451 Attachment 223452 Attachment 223453 Also I broke the god damn nipple on the radiator that everyone breaks. It seriously disintegrated when I moved the hose just a tiny bit. Whatever, I wanted a new radiator anyways. Attachment 223454 Unfortunately this is also where the story basically grinds to a halt for one year. Life, work, lack of funds, lack of motivation and the fact that I could drive my dad's Miata at the track now all contributed to me letting the car sit in its depressing state in the garage. But the good news is, I've finally amassed all the parts I wanted so the RX-8 can hopefully make an epic comeback to the track. So the next posts will be outlining some plans and then we are pretty much caught up to present time. Let the fun begin. |
finally, seat pics. i guess purple is a favorite of yours.
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Originally Posted by yomomspimp06
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finally, seat pics. i guess purple is a favorite of yours.
And when I ordered the belts I thought what the hell and then some more purple accents started popping up from there. I've always like the color and it's my birth stone, amethyst. |
Good read, I know the feeling when your car is off the road for long periods of time
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For this post I figured I would share with you guys my main distraction during the downtime of the RX-8.
My dad had come to the track with me a couple times to check things out and he got a ride out on track in a Miata from one of my good friends. He was hooked after that and he soon hit craigslist, a short while later he purchased this: A 1994 Mazda Miata R Package with 104k miles on the clock, bone stock except they had added in power windows and an aftermarket head unit. The R-Package comes with front and rear lip, rear spoiler, upgraded shocks/springs/sway bars from the factory and also has factory LSD and no power steering. Only about 1,200 were made in 1994. It had previously been a summer only car in Colorado and used to belong to the guys mom. Here's the best part about this car... SHE HAD IT SERVICED EVERY 5,000 MILES AT FLYIN' MIATA... so the car was in impeccable mechanical shape, it didn't even have the famous Miata HLA tick so we snatched it up only 8 hours after it had been posted on craigslist. The guy got 4 other offers over the phone while we were there checking it out for more than asking price ($3500) but thankfully he was a stand up guy and took the asking price which we had offered over the phone only an hour before. Attachment 223435 Now you may be thinking, "Hey Arca, you're a pretty big dude... how the hell do you fit in there? And isn't your dad too big for it as well?!" The answer is with patience, a big fucking hammer and thin aluminum seats that are bolted straight to the floor and rest against the rear firewall. My dad is 6'2" and fits a little better in there than me, but I can still drive it comfortably. It makes 130RWHP @ 7,200RPM and 104RWTQ @ 4,600RPM on a Dynojet. It weighs 2100lbs even with 1/2 tank of fuel. Those power numbers are with the timing at 16*BTDC, we backed it off to 12*BTDC so that it knocked it down to 125RWHP so that we could stay under our HP cap of 128RWHP for competition in NASA TT-E class. It is also eligible for Time Attack A Class since with driver it has around 18.8lbs/HP. Here are the modifications: Weight Reduction: Removed interior Removed A/C Removed side windows Removed Charcoal Canister and EGR System Removed Headlight assemblies Removed airbags, sensors, module. Gutted Doors Gutted Rear Deck Sound Deadening removed Engine/Intake/Exhaust: Exhintake Cam Mod (Use another exhaust cam on the intake side) New NB Purple Injectors (265cc @ 3bar) 5xRacing Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator 5xRacing In-Line Fuel Pressure Gauge Custom made cold air intake with velocity stack (CAI was +7WHP on mustang dyno, and another +2WHP after adding velocity stack) Racing Beat 4-1 Header (Ceramic Coated Black Inside and Out) Racing Beat 2.25" ID Test Pipe (Ceramic Coated Black Inside and Out) Roadstersport 3 2.25" ID Exhaust System (Connecting Pipe Ceramic Coated Black Inside and Out) Gates Racing Timing Belt Gates T-Belt Idler/Tensioner Gates Racing Water Pump/Alternator Belt Nissan Pump Co. Water Pump (made in Japan) with 3D Cast Impeller New Front/Rear Main, Cam and Valve Cover Seals NGK Copper Plugs NGK Blue Plug Wires Rotella T6 5w-40 Synthetic Diesel Oil (No HLA tick at all) Drivetrain: Fidanza 7.0lbs Flywheel for 1.6L (Converted to 1.6L Clutch/Flywheel. Smaller and lighter) Exedy Stage 2 Clutch (3 Puck Thick Disk NON-HD) for 1.6L TechnaFit Stainless Braided Clutch Line Ralco RZ Short Shifter (Do not buy this... took a lot of fab work to get it to work and it's starting to get sloppy.) Sickspeed 2" Shifter Extender VooDoo Piano Black 2" Weighted Shift Knob AmsOil 75w-90 GL4 Trans Fluid AmsOil 75w-90 GL5 Rear Diff Fluid Cooling: Mishimoto 55mm Radiator NRG Air Diversion Panel Samco Blue Silicone Radiator and Ancillary Hose Kit Secondary Radiator Fan Removed Stant 16PSI Radiator Cap Stant SuperStat 180* Thermostat with jiggle pin drilled out Suspension/Brakes/Wheels/Chassis: Replaced stock manual steering rack with de-powered power steering rack (quicker ratio) Flyin Miata VMaxx Track Pack Coilovers Flyin Miata Front and Rear Sway Bars 949 Racing SuperMiata Adjustable Endlinks Energy Suspension Poly Control Arm Bushings Front and Rear Energy Suspension Poly Diff Bushings 949 Racing Poly Motor Mounts (Get the softest ones, we did medium and it's too harsh even for a track car) Hawk HT-10 Pads Cheapo O'Reilly's Rotors 949 Racing 6UL Wheels 15x8" Stock 14" Hollow Spokes for the Street 6 Point Custom Roll Bar by Fathead Fabrications All New Wheel Hubs and Bearings GoodRidge Stainless Braided Brake Lines Interior/Exterior/Electronics: OEM Mazda Non-Defroster Hard Top Ultrashield VS Halo Aluminum Seat 17" (Driver) Ultrashield Spec Miata Aluminum Seat 17" (Passenger) Crow Enterprizes 6 Point Harnesses (Blue) Small Fire Extinguisher Painted Interior White Painted Seats White Painted Rear Deck Area/Trunk Matte Black Painted Roll Bar Blue Momo Hub Adapter NRG Gen 2.0 Quick Release (Black) Momo Mod.78 Leather Steering Wheel (Flat, 330mm) Radiator Protective Mesh Mounted Inside Bumper Driving Lights Mounted In Bumper Opening And that's all I can think of for now... Mods on deck are some Prosport Gauges, Oil relocation, and Mishimoto Oil Cooler with thermostatic sandwich plate. Anyways here's some pictures of how it sits now. Getting a little sideways in Tower Turn at Firebird Main Course: Attachment 223436 Here is an uncovered old shot of the intake and how it is routed, it gets air from the turn signal air scoop and is sealed off from the engine bay: Attachment 223437 Engine bay now: Attachment 223438 Some Interior Shots: Attachment 223439 Attachment 223440 Also here's a video from a recent event. I was exactly 1 second off of the TT-E track record. I was on 225 NT01's but the way my classing sheet is done I can be on 225 Hoosier R6's, which are coincidentally worth about 1 to 2 seconds depending on the track... |
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So now that we're all caught up, here's a run down of how the car sits, and then a run down of all the parts and modifications going into this iteration of the ongoing Time Attack Build, as well as a couple of pictures of some of the more interesting parts that I've amassed.
As it stands: Engine and Exhaust: AEM Cold Air Intake Wrapped in DEI Gold Reflect BHR Midpipe Espelir JGT500 Catback Exhaust (2.25" after split) Agency Power E-Shaft Underdrive Pulley Black Halo Racing Ignition Kit Oil Catch Can Z-Enterprise Grounding Kit Air Pump Delete Throttle Body Coolant Bypass RX8Performance Poly Motor Mounts Ingalls Torque Dampener Fuel System and Engine Management: Idemitsu Premix Cobb AccessPort Tuned by MazdaManiac Suspension, Wheels, Tires and Brakes: PowerTrix Race Coilovers Custom Spring Rates Progress Technology Sway Bars Whiteline Adjustable Spherical Endlinks Hawk HT-10 Brake Pads Cheap Blank Rotors ATE Super Blue Brake Fluid Agency Power Stainless Braided Brake Lines Agency Power Stainless Braided Clutch Line Axial Flow Brake Master Cylinder Brace 17x9" +37 5Zigen ZR+520 (Street) 17x9" +45 Enkei RPF1's (Track) Interior, Exterior and Electronics: Interior/Stereo Completely Stripped for Weight Reduction Custom Plexi Sunroof Insert Sparco Circuit Plus Driver Seat Crow Enterprizes 6 Point Harnesses Momo Mod.08 Steering Wheel Momo Steering Wheel Hub Adapter NRG Gen 2.0 Quick Release Fathead Fabrications Custom 6-Point Roll Cage AEM Digital Gauges (Water Temp, Oil Temp, Oil Pres.) Racing Beat Oil Plate and Water Line Adapters Lotek Triple Gauge Pod Custom Oil Cooler Grilles GenRight Hood Louvers Custom 4" ABS Functional Front Air Splitter JDM Clear Corners w/ Stealth Bulbs Removable Light Assembly (HID Angled, LED Bar Center) For Night Events Mad Stickers Yo Drivetrain: Axial Flow Engineering Short Throw Shifter 8-Ball Style Weighted Shift Knob (Neo-Chrome) 2" Shift Knob Extender Synchro Saver Plate Modifications on deck: Engine and Exhaust: Rebuild with all OEM Mazda Parts New Oil Pump Racing Beat Header (Ceramic Coated) Racing Beat Non-Resonated Midpipe (Ceramic Coated) 3" Piping HKS Hi-Power Single Exit 3" Piping A/C Belt Lip Milled Off of Agency Power E-Shaft Underdrive Pulley RotaryFX Lightweight WP+ALT Pullies CSF Racing Aluminum 52mm Radiator Racing Beat Radiator Screen SAMCO Silicone Hose Kit (White) Racing Beat Street Port Mazmart Oil Pressure Regulator RX8Performance Electric Water Pump Adapter Plate Meziere 55GPM Electric Water Pump Mishimoto 169F Race Thermostat SOHN Adapter Fuel System and Engine Management: Dyno Tune by Jeff @ MazdaManiac (Will have two tunes, max power for Time Trials B Class and a Time Attack A Class Kill tune with a completely flat horsepower curve for hopefully the entire power band via closing the drive by wire throttle body based on RPM.) Suspension, Wheels, Tires and Brakes: 17x10" +38 Enkei RPF1's, need some more of these. Interior, Exterior and Electronics: More weight reduction, gutting doors, cutting out rear speaker deck, etc. Sparco Evo 2 Passenger Seat Works Bell Steering Wheel Extension (Not sure on size yet) GenRight Fender Louvers Custom 8" Alumalite Functional Front Air Splitter With New Chassis Mounting Design Brooks Motorsport Composites Swan Neck Mount Wing (68" Span, 13.5" Chord) Even More Mad Stickers Yo Drivetrain: Quartermaster 5.5" Twin Iron Disk Clutch (5.6lbs) Mazdatrix Race Flywheel (4.75lbs) Mazda Automatic Transmission Counterweight Mazdaspeed 5.12 Rear End Gears The big Wang. Most of the mount will be inside the car, it bolts directly to the chassis inside the trunk area. It will go through the rear quarter panels. Also that is not a love seat, it's actually larger than a full size couch... Attachment 223386 Here is the midpipe coated, ignore the parts on the top, those are Miata exhaust parts. Attachment 223387 Header coated. Will probably extend the runners later. Attachment 223388 Attachment 223389 Mad Tyte JDM: Attachment 223390 CSF Radiator vs. Stock. Almost twice the thickness. Dual row single pass. Attachment 223391 Quartermaster 5.5" Twin Disk Clutch, weighs 5.6lbs and holds 600ft/lbs torque. Attachment 223392 Flywheel and assorted hardware as well as the clutch unstacked. Entire clutch and flywheel assembly together is 10.35lbs. Attachment 223393 Attachment 223394 New addition to the light bar for night races. This thing is retarded bright... Attachment 223395 |
curious as to how much your flywheel setup & clutch cost. you can pm it to me if you would rather not disclose
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Originally Posted by yomomspimp06
(Post 4550754)
curious as to how much your flywheel setup & clutch cost. you can pm it to me if you would rather not disclose
Posted From RX8Club.com Android App I ended up piecing together everything for about 1300 not including a counterweight. Pricing info is available here, but some of those parts can be had cheaper elsewhere. This is pretty much a track only setup. Racing Clutch and Flywheel |
This is a fantastic thread
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Originally Posted by kops
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This is a fantastic thread
Car still treating you well? Bet it's a blast to drive in the snow haha. |
It's time to dump those powertrix coilovers and buy something serious given the level of the other modifications!
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Originally Posted by bse50
(Post 4551411)
It's time to dump those powertrix coilovers and buy something serious given the level of the other modifications!
That being said I have worked out a partnership with another company to get a more track only oriented coilover setup with much stiffer rates and specific valving. Looking at possibly around 16k front and 12k rear. Not really sure yet. |
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Also something else I've been looking into is converting the rear to a cantilever setup which would be awesome, but won't be able to do that until I am up into the NASA big bore classes since in Small Bore this is a death blow as far as points go. (+6)
Example: https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1386461109 |
What would be the advantage?
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Originally Posted by J8635621
(Post 4551430)
What would be the advantage?
The only real advantages would be: -Easier to adjust suspension. -Increased rigidity (this would be "the ultimate rear strut bar" since they would now be integrated into the cage the way I would do it.) -Lower unsprung weight because you can invert the shock mounting, meaning that the spring will not have to move the body of the shock, only the pushrod and shock shaft which are much lighter, but this can be accomplished with inverted shocks anyways so not too big of a deal. -Greater tuning ability since now you can play with bell crank angles and ratios. -You can use lighter and smaller shocks and springs and just use leverage to multiply their force. -Weight gets moved inboard, you can also have them flipped towards the front or the back for slightly better weight distribution. -And it looks badass I guess. :p: |
I love it and can't wait until I make as much as an engineer to do this stuff. #undergradprobs
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Originally Posted by Arca_ex
(Post 4551433)
Well most cantilevered systems are run because of packaging constraints or weight distribution or aerodynamics in the case of open wheel cars, the advantages wouldn't be massively superior in my application, just slightly better. I just think it looks cool too, I love looking at fab work and what people come up with.
The only real advantages would be: -Easier to adjust suspension. -Increased rigidity (this would be "the ultimate rear strut bar" since they would now be integrated into the cage the way I would do it.) -Lower unsprung weight because you can invert the shock mounting, meaning that the spring will not have to move the body of the shock, only the pushrod and shock shaft which are much lighter, but this can be accomplished with inverted shocks anyways so not too big of a deal. -Greater tuning ability since now you can play with bell crank angles and ratios. -You can use lighter and smaller shocks and springs and just use leverage to multiply their force. -Weight gets moved inboard, you can also have them flipped towards the front or the back for slightly better weight distribution. -And it looks badass I guess. :p: They're also way more sensitive to fine tuning and that requires hundreds of datalogging megabytes :( Another option is to build a push rod system by not keeping the shocks perpendicular to the car. You could place them lower in the trunk while having them point to the nose. That's an even better setup but it gets messy and torsion bars for such setups are real engineering masterpieces. Definitely not something a non-engineer can build and design. Some GT teams make pushrod suspensions by just placing the shocks horizontal and under the wheel wells, not inside the trunk. This system is a little less efficient but way easier to cope with. On your new shocks: the quality of the valving and overall build vs your current setup will really make a difference ;) |
Originally Posted by Arca_ex
(Post 4551424)
They've actually been great so far and after seeing shock dynos I'm actually pretty impressed for the price point.
That being said I have worked out a partnership with another company to get a more track only oriented coilover setup with much stiffer rates and specific valving. Looking at possibly around 16k front and 12k rear. Not really sure yet. |
Originally Posted by bse50
(Post 4551536)
The only problem of such systems is the R&D involved to make them efficient on a specific car. You can't just slap them in there and expect them to outperform a common shock system.
They're also way more sensitive to fine tuning and that requires hundreds of datalogging megabytes :( Another option is to build a push rod system by not keeping the shocks perpendicular to the car. You could place them lower in the trunk while having them point to the nose. That's an even better setup but it gets messy and torsion bars for such setups are real engineering masterpieces. Definitely not something a non-engineer can build and design. Some GT teams make pushrod suspensions by just placing the shocks horizontal and under the wheel wells, not inside the trunk. This system is a little less efficient but way easier to cope with. On your new shocks: the quality of the valving and overall build vs your current setup will really make a difference ;) Fabbing something like this up doesn't look too difficult it's just math and making sure you're dead nuts on your measurements on both sides. And yes, definitely excited for all the changes. :)
Originally Posted by EricB
(Post 4551602)
Im actually going to order myself some swift springs for my GR+, My competition driving does not warrant anything better than Stance's GR+ (at this moment) What spring rates would you recommend?
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Got some more louvers from GenRight.com for the fenders. They're pretty pliable so I'll be able to bend them in order to get a good contour. These are the same type as on my hood. I was also thinking of adding more to the hood as well.
Here's a picture of one sitting on the fender. Attachment 223318 |
do you have brake cooling ducts?
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Originally Posted by EricB
(Post 4551988)
do you have brake cooling ducts?
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Man I just wanna say this thread is great. Keep updating and when are you getting your engine rebuilt? Any porting?
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Originally Posted by Fickert
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Man I just wanna say this thread is great. Keep updating and when are you getting your engine rebuilt? Any porting?
I'm rebuilding it myself with some help from experienced locals, I'm using all OEM parts, am going to use Racing Beat street port templates. I was considering getting the lower intake manifold Extrude Honed but it's too expensive right now (700 bucks not including shipping). I have a spare LIM that I might send out to try later. I'm also having Freelance Motorsports CNC machine the housings and a local company here called SuperFinishers Inc. will be lapping the irons so they are flat within 50 millionths of an inch. I am really hoping to make 220WHP but you know how the Renesis is... the only other things I can think of (within reason) if I don't make my power goal is extending the header into a longtube unit, converting to an electric water pump and extrude honing the lower intake manifold. |
He found a nsx in Ohio? Surprising. But that is great news. I didn't realize getting the intake honed was that expensive damn. but good luck to ya and can't wait to hear back. Also you should post pics of nsx. :)
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Originally Posted by Fickert
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He found a nsx in Ohio? Surprising. But that is great news. I didn't realize getting the intake honed was that expensive damn. but good luck to ya and can't wait to hear back. Also you should post pics of nsx. :)
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Awesome thread, thanks for posting. I got a real kick out of reading this as for awhile your build parallels what I did to my first car as I got deeper and deeper into time attack/road course driving - I was right at the point of gutting interior and prepping for a cage install when I wrote it off on a high speed wet corner :)
Will be following this with great interest, GL! |
Arca, good to see you putting in the time to bring your project to the forum. As we say in NZ, Chur bro!
RE additional WHP, check out this thread, and go to the bottom of the page and click on RIWWPs link to the Eric Meyer 233rwhp thread. The transmission and diff treatment may assist with a few extra ponies. |
Originally Posted by Arca_ex
(Post 4551384)
Thanks man. Car still treating you well? Bet it's a blast to drive in the snow haha. |
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