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newalliance123 02-11-2013 07:13 AM

So out of curiosity, Would it not be possible to raise the engine 1/2" with the renesis mounts, or redesign that mount so that the motor would sit higher and not require a custom pan. Or did you no want to cut/weld a notch out in the firewall?

dznutzuk 02-12-2013 06:58 AM

By raising the engine higher it would also have to be moved forward to clear the firewall. Although you could cut the firewall-which I am very strongly against in any car. But cutting the firewall and designing the engine brackets totally different so it sits higher(also by doing this you're raising the transmission+ppf frame and driveshaft)is much more work than just making a new oil pan. By using the a different lim my setup fits perfectly. Btw, you'd need more than 1/2 if you are going to use the stock 13bre oil pan.

newalliance123 02-12-2013 04:24 PM

Ahh gotcha! Yeah I'm not sure how that compares to my 13B-TII Oil pan, I'm just looking at mine and it looks rather large!

I guess I will just do like you and if it looks like a problem find another pan or graft a Rx8 pan onto it.

I was told to use a 12A front cover and pan to raise the motor, but if it doesn't really raise it due to the issues you talked about above, then maybe its just to use a thinner pan of a 12A. I'm gonna try to find the oil pan differences: 12A, 13BT, REW

Also I was wondering if you have a picture close up of the oil filter pedestal issue you ran into...

dannobre 02-12-2013 04:42 PM

Easiest way to deal with the oil pedestal issue is to use a remoet mount oil filter..or an RX-8 one I believe will fit as well...

newalliance123 02-12-2013 04:48 PM

Yeah I was planning on remote mount, however if the 8 one fits... I saw one guy had his mounted sideways not sure what pedestal that one is.

The remote filter kits seem to all have the fittings at 0* angle off the top. I'm assuming there is enough room for 2 - 90* AN10 fittings to attach to the male fittings on the relocate kit.

firecran 02-12-2013 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by dannobre (Post 4425743)
Easiest way to deal with the oil pedestal issue is to use a remoet mount oil filter..or an RX-8 one I believe will fit as well...

Truth, best way to do it....

RX-8 oil filter pedestal on REW(should be the same as TII) w/relocation kit.

My Set up has changed a little since the pic but you get the idea.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...CD6A68CBA4.jpg

dznutzuk 02-13-2013 01:00 AM

Hey Chris did a very detailed thread on his car, check it out: RX-8 13B-RE conversion! - RX7Club.com

ChrisRX8PR 02-13-2013 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4426346)
looks good, except using the RX-8 engine mounts rather than the RX8Performance conversion engine mount is counterproductive IMO. Getting rid of the RX8 engine mount bracket opens up the manifold routing and turbo placement options considerably.

I didn't end up using RX-8 mounts, that was just me brainstorming in the initial stages of the build. If you go through the thread, you will see the mounts I ended up making out of thick steel.

The reason I didn't use the RX8performance conversion mount is because it did not fit the engine I wanted, I used a 13B-RE not a REW. The good thing is that if I want to fit a 20B down the road, my mounts will bolt right up as the 13B-RE and 20B-Re use same mounting points.

Cheers!

TeamRX8 02-13-2013 05:48 PM

sorry, just saw that as I was reading through and just came back to edit, but you beat me to it. My apology for jumping to conclusions too early.

ChrisRX8PR 02-13-2013 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4426362)
sorry, just saw that as I was reading through and just came back to edit, but you beat me to it. My apology for jumping to conclusions too early.

Aw man, no apologies needed. :icon_tup:

I welcome the discussion.

Cheers!

newalliance123 02-14-2013 04:47 AM

Hey Chris would you have had oil pan issues as well if you didn't use the greddy pan?

ChrisRX8PR 02-14-2013 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by newalliance123 (Post 4426563)
Hey Chris would you have had oil pan issues as well if you didn't use the greddy pan?

Yes you would if you use the RX-8 front cover. It makes the engine shoter by about 1/2".

Chris

newalliance123 02-14-2013 04:44 PM

Yeah I saw how you tackled that issue.

I meant with ground clearance... With the stock pan and your custom mounts did you need to goto the greddy pan for ground clearance or did you do it for more volume/baffling?

ChrisRX8PR 02-14-2013 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by newalliance123 (Post 4426859)
Yeah I saw how you tackled that issue.

I meant with ground clearance... With the stock pan and your custom mounts did you need to goto the greddy pan for ground clearance or did you do it for more volume/baffling?

I had no issues with clearance using the oem rx8 or greddy pan. I could see the posibility of issues with the stock 13B-RE oil pan because it hangs lower than the rx8 one.

The actual reason I switched to the greddy pan, besides the fact that i had it laying around, is that the greddy pan has a rigid flange all the way around and that helped with sealing at the front using the "clamps" I made.

C

newalliance123 02-15-2013 01:56 PM

Ahh gotcha! Thanks, I'm going to give it a whirl with the T2 pan and if that doesn't work fab up a custom pan.

dznutzuk 02-16-2013 02:47 AM

If you use the RX8 front cover you can use the stock rx8 oil pan without any modifications. Only the front cover bolt pattern and shape changes-the rest of the engine is the same.

newalliance123 02-16-2013 05:23 AM

Yeah don't really feel like swapping covers. I'l look into clearance issue when it comes up.

jayson1567 04-26-2013 02:44 PM

I need help i have the 13b re swap already on my car but i still have problems with the fuel how i can put on the car a really good fuel pump on it ?

dznutzuk 04-26-2013 11:39 PM

Hey Jayson, I saw your car on youtube a while ago. It depends on what you plan on doing and have done already. Did you setup up the system with a return line?

victor13b 09-22-2013 07:22 PM

Now my real problem is that the damn lower intake doesn't clear the firewall. I cut it about 2,5inches and bumped the right hand side firewall with a mini sledgehammer. I got it on but there's no way the upper intake is going to bolt on so I have to think of something quick.
HELLO! NOW I HAVE THAT PROBLEM WITH THE LIM!~JUST CRASH INTO THE FIREWALL!
a solution?:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

dannobre 09-22-2013 08:12 PM

What did you use for engine mount?
All I had to do to fit mine was grind the tab off the back of the LIM and some of the EGR crap I didn't want anyway.

victor13b 09-22-2013 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by dannobre (Post 4526437)
What did you use for engine mount?
All I had to do to fit mine was grind the tab off the back of the LIM and some of the EGR crap I didn't want anyway.

I use kmr engine mounts. kyle mohan racing ..I buy in eBay that engine mounts

dannobre 09-22-2013 08:17 PM

REW or RE?

victor13b 09-22-2013 08:19 PM

https://db.tt/jBYRdzr8 here some pics



Originally Posted by dannobre (Post 4526442)
REW or RE?

no Cosmo engine
my engine 1994 twin turbo engine

dannobre 09-22-2013 08:25 PM

Options are...
Section LIM and re-weld shorter
Cut and rebox firewall...not muchvroom behind though...heater core and AC evap back there
Rework motor mounts..


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