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Bwek 01-23-2017 06:36 PM

Ill still have DSC when I use my Miata ECU, Basically my rx8 is a miata now lol

suicide-racer 01-24-2017 02:43 AM

You could use an aftermarket heater. Like the ones found here Heating - Water - Heating, I'm going to be running one of their micro heaters in my track car swap.

Cheers John

Osator90 01-24-2017 06:32 AM

Hmmmm. On this photo it doesn't looks so bad https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...d022eefd2f.jpg


I think that when you put your engine a little lower (5cm should be fine), then the heater core should fit :)

Tailshaft from Series 1 does not fit into the 6 speed gearbox from MX-5 ?

Bwek 01-24-2017 08:35 AM

You're right a series 1 wont fit but a Series 2 does ;)

a Micro heater wouldn't be a bad idea!

Osator90 01-24-2017 09:13 AM

Are you sure about it ? Check this https://www.rx8club.com/rotary-swaps...3b-rew-255076/

Bwek 01-24-2017 04:36 PM

yep, I have an NC transmission that will work series 2 Rx8 trans, I just need $900 to buy one from a local wrecker

Osator90 01-29-2017 05:05 PM

Bwek can you screw this part and take a few photos of it. I would like to see how much space it's gonna take in your car. Please https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...40e242bf12.jpg

billyboy 01-30-2017 04:33 AM

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^^If you want a low profile version....incurring a bit of re-plumbing, they are made.

This is one of two types supplied by the local vendor down here.

Osator90 01-30-2017 07:22 AM

Where I can buy it ? :)

billyboy 01-30-2017 12:54 PM

This is in Australia.

Appears his email has changed - seems it was current as of a couple of years back going by google, I've normally phoned him - durescort at gmail dot com. Roger Carroll is his name.

Bwek 01-30-2017 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by Osator90 (Post 4802948)
Bwek can you screw this part and take a few photos of it. I would like to see how much space it's gonna take in your car. Please

I can get you a picture this weekend, I still have my EGR as well, i plan to make my car fully emissions compliant before I make it a full on race car haha

Mat Krenisky 03-05-2017 09:59 AM

Honestly I'm shocked this swap hasn't been done 100s of times by now. The 2.3 has its issues I wouldn't use the 2.3... The 2.0 is a high reving motor it's kinda like the rotary it wakes up in higher rpms... Now the 2.5 is what I would use add in some cams your at almost 200whp and 180whp torque in n/a. That's with i/h/e. The 2 5s are good to 300-350 whp on stock block. Not many rx8s are even close to 300whp let alone reliable 300whp. This swap would be cheap vs LS swap. No need for bump steer kits or anything.

Osator90 05-08-2017 04:41 PM

Hello :) How's progress ? :)

Bwek 05-09-2017 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Osator90 (Post 4818140)
Hello :) How's progress ? :)

its still sitting here at my shop, ive had too many engines to rebuild lately

made some progress on the electronics, Im going to run an 06+ Miata Cluster and ECU.

there are tons of well developed tuning options and the Miata cluster 90% fits into the rx8 dash

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Oh and the miata Cluster plugs right into the rx8 harness :rofl::rofl:

NotAPreppie 05-09-2017 10:48 AM

Okay, that's pretty crazy.

TeamRX8 05-09-2017 05:03 PM

just curious, what is the other 10% of fitting in the dash issue?

Brettus 05-09-2017 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4818309)
just curious, what is the other 10% of fitting in the dash issue?

That's the 10 % that doesn't fit .... silly !

TeamRX8 05-09-2017 05:41 PM

Helpful as always, thanks ... :hahano:

Bwek 05-09-2017 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4818309)
just curious, what is the other 10% of fitting in the dash issue?

that it doesn't screw into the dash, the shroud is the same size but the clip in points are slightly off

it fits into the dash nearly perfect

Rkesh88 02-20-2018 02:15 PM

Any more updates on this?

John V 06-23-2018 06:53 AM

As it turns out, the MZR (2.5L) fits nicely without cutting into the firewall.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tF...=w1382-h777-no

blackmount 06-26-2018 10:32 PM

ProMazda Racecars run a 2.0L MRZ making 275hp/190TQ...

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...33&oe=5BE0DDFA

Got to see these things stomp around the racetrack all weekend long at Road America, so needless to say I have been thinking heavily about this swap.

Whats the weight difference between the average MZR and Renesis? anyone know?

I've been toying with the idea of Flying Miata Supercharged or mildly built Naturally aspirated using a NC Miata Engine.


Originally Posted by John V (Post 4863294)
As it turns out, the MZR (2.5L) fits nicely without cutting into the firewall.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tF...=w1382-h777-no


a Engine that drops into a mostly factory car without having to cut into the firewall would be HUGELY Tempting. A 2.5L That fits even easier might work out better. The Extra Displacement should help make it easier to squeeze more torque out of the car...

John V 06-27-2018 06:32 AM

It fits perfectly. There is no need to cut the firewall. Some work needs to be done to the water outlet on the rear of the cylinder head and the cowl needs to be cut as shown in the pic above, but that cut doesn't get into the firewall at all. No need to remove or relocate the heater core like other people have done in this thread.

NotAPreppie 06-27-2018 06:33 AM

John V. is doing this swap for SCCA Street Modified class and detailing info in this thread.

It's mostly rear-end stuff right now but hopefully there will be more engine info soon.

The big thing to remember with John's build is that the rules expressly forbid modifying the firewall to allow moving the engine backwards.


Originally Posted by John V (Post 4863612)
It fits perfectly. There is no need to cut the firewall. Some work needs to be done to the water outlet on the rear of the cylinder head and the cowl needs to be cut as shown in the pic above, but that cut doesn't get into the firewall at all. No need to remove or relocate the heater core like other people have done in this thread.

Edit: Damnit, John. You frickin' post-ninja'd me.

smotch789 06-28-2018 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Mat Krenisky (Post 4808287)
Honestly I'm shocked this swap hasn't been done 100s of times by now. The 2.3 has its issues I wouldn't use the 2.3... The 2.0 is a high reving motor it's kinda like the rotary it wakes up in higher rpms... Now the 2.5 is what I would use add in some cams your at almost 200whp and 180whp torque in n/a. That's with i/h/e. The 2 5s are good to 300-350 whp on stock block. Not many rx8s are even close to 300whp let alone reliable 300whp. This swap would be cheap vs LS swap. No need for bump steer kits or anything.

How is the 2.5 getting 300? What are your sources? I'm not doubting you just trying to figure out how to accomplish this.

Thank you.


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