Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
(Post 2999274)
Looked like a nice Vette, and it's cool you used to hammer on it yourself.
Then you also know the level of modications it takes to strengthen ANY drivetrain of ANY production car to withstand 1000hp+. I come from the GTO world where we have to invest in expensive Kaaz rear ends, one-piece driveshafts, hardened halfshafts, built T56's, etc., so we also know the pain. Point is, the comments from simplephp "just buy a Corvette" are superfluous. It will cost a shit ton of money to get ANY car to 1200hp and streetable, so any argument about cost is ridiculous. It's going to be expensive, so I'm saying that starting with an RX8 doesn't matter once you reach this level. Every damn thing is going to be replaced, strengthened or upgraded anyway, so the investment is going to be huge no matter what. I couldn't make the same argument if all he was doing was swapping in a stock 350hp LS1. Then the costs vs. results don't make as much sense. I think this project is cool, and I just don't get the negative comments. Oh no, I totally agree. No need for negative comments here, whether you like the project or not you have to appreciate the work and skills it will take to pull it off. I am doubley interested in this project because I have an interest in both the RX8 and LSx worlds :) And you are right about the expense of a high power driveline. I did all my carnage with less than 700RWHP. It takes exponentially more money and skills every couple hundred HP up you go. I pretty much pushed the limits of what a corvette would take on stock bottom end and upgraded driveline. The next step up was an expensive forged bottom, new fuel system, custom solid torque tube, built tranny, solid rear, ect ect. :Eyecrazy: |
Originally Posted by kersh4w
(Post 2988252)
i dont think the race rx8s have 1200hp either...
not even the 3 rotors.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTG_iVXabfw Props to RGONZA though. To each his own; I'm a rotor head to the end :). Note: Abel's power is on Alcohol Paul. |
Originally Posted by Mazmart
(Post 2999557)
There are race RX8s making more horse than that. My friend Abel claims close to 1700. i'm not sure if that's to the wheels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTG_iVXabfw Props to RGONZA though. To each his own; I'm a rotor head to the end :). Note: Abel's power is on Alcohol Paul. I'm just not sure you can say that tube chassis drag car is a "1700hp RX8" :lol2: Know what I mean? |
Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
(Post 2999608)
I'm just not sure you can say that tube chassis drag car is a "1700hp RX8" :lol2:
Know what I mean? Still, incredible project. Makes me feel like even more of a wuss for being nervous about replacing my own air filter. |
Abel's car is absolutely insane... granted its a whole different class of car, but still nice. How is this LSx swap going? I want to see some pics!
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i just came in my pants.
that was beautiful. |
https://img58.imageshack.us/img58/57...n35845b15d.jpg
Almost like it was made for it... Dead Sexy...... :Drooling_:Drooling_:Drooling_:Drooling_ |
Originally Posted by Rotr8
(Post 2999776)
Almost like it was made for it... Dead Sexy......
:Drooling_:Drooling_:Drooling_:Drooling_ I keep sizing up the height of the intake manifold and the fuel rail in my head. It's not too much taller than the heads, but its gonna be pretty tight under that strut brace. |
Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
(Post 3000813)
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I keep sizing up the height of the intake manifold and the fuel rail in my head. It's not too much taller than the heads, but its gonna be pretty tight under that strut brace. Found one! ..one sec I"ll get it uploaded to a host. http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p.../Newengine.jpg ^ that was my 2nd engine and in the box behind it was my 2nd or 3rd differential :D |
3 rotor can make a lot of h/p---buts its the torque that is the difference between these 2 engines.
I am sure he is going to do a big stroker version 580 cu in +?? The 3 rotor tq band will not match at 1200 hp big block v/8. i agree with you on the cam lift--and like you and i said--lifter/pushrod work will have to be done(still use the exhaust valve seals?)-- I also wonder if he is going to a low lift prototype rocker arm set up to maybe help get up to that 8.5K he mentioned? i wonder what "total" lift will be and i also wonder what duration he will be using. I also REALLY wonder about the rear suspension and diff That is going to be more work than getting the engine in the car. Thank God we have pioneers around like this. Hats off to ya Bro! olddragger |
Please make a subframe kit with DIY instructions. :) Had some hot engine restart issues yesterday.... grrrr.
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After some brief research and thoughts I'm beginning my planning on an ls3 swap should take me about 5 years to fine tune everything buy a DD and transform the 8 . I'm fine with a bolt on LS3 for now, anything over 500 whp is pointless for my intentions. The weight of the engine is low enough the LS3 weighing in at 415 and the renesis weighing in at 344 71 lbs isn't room for concern if the mounting is done correctly.
So yea I'll get back to y'all in 5 years. |
sounds good man, way to plan it out in advance :rofl:
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1200 hp+ extreme torque will require more than a new subframe.
I cant quit posting here! olddragger |
Not all of will go the 1200hp route. An LS1 with headers, cams, Z06 manifold will be plenty!
Re: the 71lb weight difference, put the battery in the trunk and you're down to an extra 36lbs up front! Not bad. I did notice in the pics that it looks like the radiator is as far forward as the bumper grill. |
Originally Posted by savedsol
(Post 3004636)
Re: the 71lb weight difference, put the battery in the trunk and you're down to an extra 36lbs up front! Not bad. I did notice in the pics that it looks like the radiator is as far forward as the bumper grill.
I doubt Ill do it to my car I might get a roller for a few grand and work on that winning blue is to rare of a color to mess with. |
Originally Posted by shadycrew31
(Post 3004697)
Exactly 71 pounds is so easy to shave off.
But come on guys he knows exactly what he is doing and he will pull it off one way or another, he is not only a frontier finding problems we have not even thought of yet, he is an innovator and will find solutions to those problems before we even know the problems existed. I cannot wait to see how it turns out! |
Originally Posted by olddragger
(Post 3004562)
1200 hp+ extreme torque will require more than a new subframe.
I cant quit posting here! olddragger I mean, I could have 10,000 lb-ft of torque, and if I try to take off on a wet street, I'm not going to break anything because I'm just going to spin. This thing is still going to be light but have enough torque and horsepower that anything in the rear, short of a rolling pin with Hoosier 40 treadwear rubber coating, is going to vaporize if you lay into it. I don't think the point of the project is to tub it and stick slicks under it. I don't know what that cam is going to do exactly, but I'm guessing that LSA is going to move the torque curve higher in the RPM range. Maybe thats what he's looking for. With a 427, it's going to make torque down low no matter what, and could help with the drivability and a more linear power curve. RGonza! We can't read your mind! This is fun and all, but, man, give us an update tell us what's up!!! :D: |
Originally Posted by savedsol
(Post 3004636)
Not all of will go the 1200hp route. An LS1 with headers, cams, Z06 manifold will be plenty!
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Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
(Post 3008793)
LOL you said "cams" :spank:
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Originally Posted by savedsol
(Post 3009200)
Ah yes. Singular not plural!
It's cool you're looking at doing a project as well. it may not be possible, but I think would be popular if it can be kitted in some way... |
one day in 5 th gear he will punch it and when that monster gets on it will break something so if u have 10,000 lb-ft of torque dont go out of 3rd or else
Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
(Post 3008786)
I get what you're saying, but, honestly, there's no way he's going to put all that torque to the ground... right?
I mean, I could have 10,000 lb-ft of torque, and if I try to take off on a wet street, I'm not going to break anything because I'm just going to spin. This thing is still going to be light but have enough torque and horsepower that anything in the rear, short of a rolling pin with Hoosier 40 treadwear rubber coating, is going to vaporize if you lay into it. I don't think the point of the project is to tub it and stick slicks under it. I don't know what that cam is going to do exactly, but I'm guessing that LSA is going to move the torque curve higher in the RPM range. Maybe thats what he's looking for. With a 427, it's going to make torque down low no matter what, and could help with the drivability and a more linear power curve. RGonza! We can't read your mind! This is fun and all, but, man, give us an update tell us what's up!!! :D: |
Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
(Post 3008786)
I get what you're saying, but, honestly, there's no way he's going to put all that torque to the ground... right?
I mean, I could have 10,000 lb-ft of torque, and if I try to take off on a wet street, I'm not going to break anything because I'm just going to spin. This thing is still going to be light but have enough torque and horsepower that anything in the rear, short of a rolling pin with Hoosier 40 treadwear rubber coating, is going to vaporize if you lay into it. I don't think the point of the project is to tub it and stick slicks under it. I don't know what that cam is going to do exactly, but I'm guessing that LSA is going to move the torque curve higher in the RPM range. Maybe thats what he's looking for. With a 427, it's going to make torque down low no matter what, and could help with the drivability and a more linear power curve. RGonza! We can't read your mind! This is fun and all, but, man, give us an update tell us what's up!!! :D: Personally, I would have gotten a carbeurator and had it stick through the hood. But I'm just old school like that, I suppose. |
Originally Posted by ciobulus
(Post 3023756)
one day in 5 th gear he will punch it and when that monster gets on it will break something so if u have 10,000 lb-ft of torque dont go out of 3rd or else
Plus, 1200 can be a little much for a clutch to handle. Powerglides/automatics are really the only way to go. |
Originally Posted by MuhThugga
(Post 3026266)
Personally, I would have gotten a carbeurator and had it stick through the hood. But I'm just old school like that, I suppose.
I don't even like anything retro, like shaker hoods, on our GTO's. On the RX8? It would like like some schizo "Mad Max" car.
Originally Posted by MuhThugga
(Post 3026285)
Plus, 1200 can be a little much for a clutch to handle. Powerglides/automatics are really the only way to go.
Paging rgonza!!!! Any updates?!?! |
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