ls1 vs 2jz
 

sooo curious to see which one would you HATE more....

flame onnn!

anybody elsee?

yawn..

beers :beer:

http://astrx.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/2jz.jpg
:lol:

On a side note, I love Toyota Poopras lol I have Vslows.

lol.

Which would I hate more? LS1, duh. It has pushrods, welcome to the 1920's.

2jz just seem to be overated.. i meen obviously they make a shit load of power, but........

2JZ's are an overrated crap-tastic motor, it gets my vote. "But Rootski, it's so tough you can boost the hell out of it" Yeah, cement is tough too, but that doesn't make it good. The powerband is smaller than my bank account.


LS1's at least make decent power, even if it is kind of a cop-out. Swapping an LS1 is like admitting to the world "I fail at rotaries."

lol what does everyone hate about the 2jz so much? i personally like the engine but hate supras lol...

im surprised people arent favoring the 2jz to keep it at least "Japanese"

2jz ftl.

I gotta say I've developed a hatred for the LS series engines simply because most American motor fans seem to think they're the second coming of God or something. Yes I know they're technically wonderful; compact, powerful, and tuneable. However, when every Chevy/pushrod/American fanboi ends every argument with, "The Evo's engine isn't as good as the Corvette because the LS1/2/7 is powerful and can be tuned easily" or "Pushrods are the way to go and superior to other engine configurations because of the LS-series" you start to get the feeling that enough is enough.

2jz FTMFW!

LS1 can suck a big fat one!

jdm ftw

Acronym Acronym!

What do a 400whp, a 600whp, and an 800whp Supra have in common?


12 second quarter mile times. :lol:


Edit for ranting:

So the 2JZ can put up with a lot of boost. That's good. But 2JZ's that put down the big numbers do so with an oversized turbo. It's far too big for the engine and that 1,000 hp is in the last 5 rpm. Pretty useless in my book. Yes, it's really cool on the highway, but it won't perform at the track.

I won't argue that pushrods are OLD technology, and that's not why I enjoy the LS series engines. They are very flexible and can make great power in whatever way you want.

500whp N/A? Yep.
300 shots of N20? Yep.
LS1 + forged internals + boost = lots of USEABLE power. :)

the LS engines are compact, light, and can produce ridiculous amounts of power with or without boost and actually sound good... the dyno queen engine has none of these traits

Why does everyone hate it? The real question is why does anyone like it? It's very heavy and very long. This isn't porn therefore these are negative traits. It was so bad that Toyota themselves couldn't make it be a good candidate for forced induction. I know some Supra owner out there will instantly have their thong get completely surrounded by their tightly clinched sphincter if they ever see this statement but it's true. Toyota contracted it's development out to the only people that could make a decent inline 6 and that was the Germans. Yes Toyota contracted the 2JZ-GTE to a German company because it wasn't good enough and they couldn't fix it on their own! Wow!

Yes they are tough. Concrete is tough too. So what! This means that they can be boosted to stratospheric heights which is great for internet dyno racing. Unfortunately the average powerband of a poorly running Geo metro combined with the top end power of a large airliner don't add up to a great driving or performing engine. After a half an hour of turbo lag and once you top 80 mph, they absolutely scream and will slam you back in your seat harder than a rocket launch. Unfortunately before this happens you've got the performance of the average econobox without the nice mileage benefits. If huge power potential from a powerband that is 4 rpm wide is your thing, and you love having a gigantic heavy piece of engine under your hood, it's a beautiful thing.

The LS1 is indeed old pushrod technology. However it's performance can't be denied. No you actually can't get 1000 hp out of a stock bottom end. You do have to strengthen it unlike the 2JZ. However the engine is all aluminum and very light for it's size. It would also be easier to package under a hood. Parts are easily available and the engine is relatively cheap due to it's ease of availability. You can actually get 500 hp and still have a powerband as wide as the average continent. Is it the world's most advance dual overhead electromagnetic valve actuated, variable compression ratio, unlimited lift and timing, direct injected wtfbbq idk my bff Jill engine out there? Nope. But it works and does it well.

Keep in mind I am against removing a rotary to install a piston engine however if the choice is between the 2JZ and the LS1, it's a no brainer.

http://www.blackholehunter.com/SCSN_...bowman7.84.wmv

2JZ's are better. It's just a slow 3550 lb. car. :uhh:

lmfao. funniest thing i heard all day...

btw whats wftbbq stand for? didnt catch that one.. lol

what the fuck barbeque

its a nonsense phrase that hearkens back to the days of dada.

lawl, someone give this nub a waffle, i mean wtfbbq were like pre pwnage days.

I have to ask, I see this so damn much what does ftw mean?

for the win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvXBkcYzWsc

I wouldn't call that slow.

A nice heads and cam LSanything sounds sooooo gooooood!!!!!

A 2JZ is just missing something,...or two somethings......


I am a long time V8 fan that also enjoys rotaries :)

I see your 7.71 2JZ-GTE world record and raise you the world record LS1. 6.866 @ 205.47.



http://video.aol.com/video-detail/wo...-ls1/646543408


And that Titan Supra losing to a turbo Camaro at the end of this vid...

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/tx...tan/1002933987

That is far from the world record 2JZ!!

HAHA, Not sure if this is the fastest 2jz, but it doesn't really matter since its faster than the world record LS1.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...tent_95555.htm

Just wanna say that I'm not trying to start a war or anything here, we could go all day posting videos. Trying to show the other side of the argument because no one else will. I love both engines, they both have ups and downs and everyone will have their own reasons for loving/hating either engine. Just trying to show you that by your logic of "whos faster is better" the 2JZ wins and not the LS1 like you seem to think.

ahahahahaha, i love the comment where the guy implies that that car is actually a scion tc.

loooool.

hahahahahahhahahahahaha. can he not see the back tires in that video? lol. the speedsource rx8 has more in common with our car than that drag car and a scion tc.

And this tC is relevant how? It's moving down the track so quickly because of the weight of the car (of lack therof). That's all in the chassis and not the engine.

An Ariel Atom only has 300bhp, but it's damn fast. Why? Because it weighs nothing! Would you say that's the best engine in the world? I wouldn't.

Put a turbo LS1 in the tC and watch it run better. Sorry, but there's no replacement for displacement. 2JZ = roll racing = fail.

Screw the ls1 and 2jz, it's all about Honda baby!
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4216/rx8b18up2.png

bolt-ons and LS1 edit 400whp ftmfw

rofl !

I like 2JZ better, it might not be a 100% build by Toyota, but Toyota gave out the funds to Germans so they can finish it. Its still Toyota's, just finishing it in different hands.

Tunning is very different from US and Japan. in Japan they tune 2JZs to have very usable power. I never seen the dyno numbers but I've seen it in action, that supra was flying like a mofo.

Of course I've seen LS1s too, they're almost everywhere :)

Good thing about LS1 - Easy to obtain @ low price, easy to make power
2JZ - Can make Very high power, Stable.

Its a tie :)

Umm, yeah :uhh: :banghead:


Here's Ryan Woon running 8.88 @ 167 in a full street legal, full interior street Supra with a manual gearbox: http://youtube.com/watch?v=fYX4XiQWYRU

But then again we could play the video game all day long, so why bother

Chill. Have you ever heard of "jokes"? I realize a Supra can be fast. Read the thread first. ;)

I am "chill". I don't get worked up about stuff on the internetz, especially about drag racing, LOL

lol i thought thats waht wtfbbq meant but it didnt make sense since i never heard it before....

man you guys are old:p:

Like I said, The 2JZ is the "faster engine". Anyone else says different then they are wrong, plain and simple. The fastest 2JZ powered car is faster than the fastest LS1 powered car. That is what I am trying to prove to SlayerRX8. I think I did that quite well, and anyone wan't to prove me wrong go ahead an try, but there isn't anything with an LS1 in it that is faster than that Titan Motorsports 2JZ powered Scion.

If you wan't to say an engine is better solely based on 1/4 mile times, you better get the facts straight.

Edit: I'm done ranting in this thread.

You proved that a lighter car will outrun a heavier car. How does that have anything to do with the engine? :banghead:

An MKIV Supra and an LS1 Camaro have nearly identical curb weights (3500 lbs). So if they are both at full weight, that takes the weight out of the equation, doesn't it? The full weight LS1 powered vehicle is faster than the full weight 2JZ-GTE powered vehicle.

If you think that "tC" (and I use the name loosely) in the video weighs anything close to 3500 lbs, you are kidding yourself.

If you think that world record camaro weighs anything close to 3500 pounds then you are just as much kidding yourself as you think I am.

Let me remind you, you started the argument about the LS1 being better SOLEY based on 1/4 mile times. You did not mention car, weight, power or anything else, just that it was fast in the 1/4 mile which makes it better. I did the same thing with the 2JZ as the powerplant, no weight, car, power or anything else was mentioned. I set out to prove your original argument wrong, and clearly did. Pretty hypocrytical to say that my argument isn't valid when it uses the same set of rules as yours.

Maybe next time you should define the argument beforehand instead of changing it everytime you are proven wrong.

I'm done posting in this thread, I have an audio install to do!

I still stand by my Honda motor swap comment...

On the street the LS1 is the hands down winner over the 2JZ in terms of drivability and powerband. It's not even close. Arguing which one has the fastest overall record is like arguing which fighter jet tops out the fastest. It tells us nothing relevant when it comes to the real world.

I think it's funny how a 3500 lb Camaro is mentioned for comparison reasons but a 2600 lb Corvette isn't.

Why limit yourself to the LS1? The LS9 will be out next year with over 600hp STOCK with a WARRANTY and will probably let the Vette break into the 10's STOCK which is faster then 98% of the most heavily modified street legal supras... :lol:

Okay. We will agree to disagree, Juice. ;)

+123312455332 LS9 supercharged!

I'd say put an LS1 in it since I haven't been in a car with a 2jz in it. My cousin has a Trans Am with an slp loudmouth exhaust and said he was door to door with a turbocharged RX8 one night on the highway in Houston. Supra's seem a little over rated due to Fake and the Furious. Not saying the 2jz is a bad engine but from experience I'd definitly choose the LS1 over it.

wheels
 

Work wheels? I want/wanted them in chrome they are bad=ass, 18?

Wowzers. A dead tie so far. Interesting.

Here is ur answer!
 

:banghead: The point of an rx8 is to be rotary. RX=Rotary!!! THe best swap is the 3 Rotor Twin Turbo 20BEW!:uhh: Best engine from Mazda production line.:lol2: Although Mazdaspeed has built the 4 rotor!!:Eyecrazy: Also seen in the Mazda Furai and the 787B.:Eyecrazy: The fastest rotary runs 6.9 in the 1/4 mi, with 2 rotors alone. Not bad for a 1.3L compared to V8's or Supras Straigh 6's. Youtube.... 20b rx8. Ive seen 3 rotor Rx8's but not 4 rotor Rx8's. Seen Rx7 4 rotor!:Eyecrazy: I know u this topic is either LS1 or JZ. I'd pick JZ havent seen a JZ Rx8, simple... You gotta keep in JDM!