Need help!!!! 04 Rx8 won't start
12-15-2015, 09:51 AM
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if its spinning and the apex/side seals havent broken up you can get it started. it could be flooded. milky **** on the dipstick is normal. a rotary can run with very low compression or even on one rotor. is your car a stick? if so make sure the battery is charged and the engine will crank. after that pull start it in 2nd gear. the only way to know if it has compression or not is with a rotary compression tester but it doesnt sound like one was used
There's all sorts of conflicting information in his posts so far, so a bit difficult to pin down what's been "done" and what hasn't and whether or not he's taking his diagnosis far enough? It also sounds as if his mechanic isn't all that interested in doing too much either? And on his own he sounds to be lost and alone on island somewhere that's why I threw up my hands in my last post, he seems convinced it's low compression and his mechanic does too and so therefore he's not going to be able to convince this mechanic to go any further since he's given up on the patient and he's the "mechanic". I didn't catch where the Op said he was located? Maybe there's a chance there is someone better versed locally to handle the diagnosis? What do you say OP?
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12-15-2015, 09:54 AM
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true but i wasnt gonna get into that because op doesnt seem to grasp the info we are giving him, give more info or care much
12-15-2015, 10:06 AM
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Exactly.. I'm wondering about the thread purpose in the first place at this point? But more likely they can check the compression without a complicated and expensive compression tester that is a specialty tool most don't have to, at least confirm whether or not that presumption it seems like they're making is actually true or not?
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12-19-2015, 05:37 PM
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Well it can be checked with a regular compression tester as has been outlined before, and for these purposes if that's done correctly the engine can be tested well enough to be pretty certain if it has compression or not? But the OP doesn't seem to be too interested in following through with the suggestions given here and takes days to even get back to the thread.
There's all sorts of conflicting information in his posts so far, so a bit difficult to pin down what's been "done" and what hasn't and whether or not he's taking his diagnosis far enough? It also sounds as if his mechanic isn't all that interested in doing too much either? And on his own he sounds to be lost and alone on island somewhere that's why I threw up my hands in my last post, he seems convinced it's low compression and his mechanic does too and so therefore he's not going to be able to convince this mechanic to go any further since he's given up on the patient and he's the "mechanic". I didn't catch where the Op said he was located? Maybe there's a chance there is someone better versed locally to handle the diagnosis? What do you say OP?
There's all sorts of conflicting information in his posts so far, so a bit difficult to pin down what's been "done" and what hasn't and whether or not he's taking his diagnosis far enough? It also sounds as if his mechanic isn't all that interested in doing too much either? And on his own he sounds to be lost and alone on island somewhere that's why I threw up my hands in my last post, he seems convinced it's low compression and his mechanic does too and so therefore he's not going to be able to convince this mechanic to go any further since he's given up on the patient and he's the "mechanic". I didn't catch where the Op said he was located? Maybe there's a chance there is someone better versed locally to handle the diagnosis? What do you say OP?
12-19-2015, 10:09 PM
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Since you kept on trying to start it, my guess it's now BADLY flooded. You'll have to take it to the next level lol. Here's a summarized de flooding procedure.
Make sure your battery is charged before doing this.
1) Pull the spark plugs out of the engine. Remove left wheel to access the plugs. Move the cover/flap out of the way and you'll see the plugs.
2) Hold the accelerator pedal to the floor. This is a fuel cut. When you do this, the engine doesn't get any fuel, so it wont flood even more lol.
3) CRANK while holding the pedal to the floor. You'll have to do this a few times. Crank for 10 seconds. Wait for 15 seconds to cool off the starter. Repeat.
This should sweep out all the fuel in the chamber out through the spark plug holes.
4) Once you've done that for like 5 times, clean the plugs and put them back on. Make sure to get the leading and trailing plugs on right. They're written on the plugs to tell you where they go.
5) Crank WITHOUT pressing the pedal. Now's the time you actually try to start it. If it doesn't start, repeat the process.
If this doesn't work after a few tries, there's something else wrong with it.
The full de-flooding guide is on the club. Search for it bro. I'm late for school so I gotta run. Otherwise I would've searched for it for you.
Don't worry you'll be fine. The club is here for you man. Just keep us updated more often. When you reply after days, we lose track of what has already happened :P
Make sure your battery is charged before doing this.
1) Pull the spark plugs out of the engine. Remove left wheel to access the plugs. Move the cover/flap out of the way and you'll see the plugs.
2) Hold the accelerator pedal to the floor. This is a fuel cut. When you do this, the engine doesn't get any fuel, so it wont flood even more lol.
3) CRANK while holding the pedal to the floor. You'll have to do this a few times. Crank for 10 seconds. Wait for 15 seconds to cool off the starter. Repeat.
This should sweep out all the fuel in the chamber out through the spark plug holes.
4) Once you've done that for like 5 times, clean the plugs and put them back on. Make sure to get the leading and trailing plugs on right. They're written on the plugs to tell you where they go.
5) Crank WITHOUT pressing the pedal. Now's the time you actually try to start it. If it doesn't start, repeat the process.
If this doesn't work after a few tries, there's something else wrong with it.
The full de-flooding guide is on the club. Search for it bro. I'm late for school so I gotta run. Otherwise I would've searched for it for you.
Don't worry you'll be fine. The club is here for you man. Just keep us updated more often. When you reply after days, we lose track of what has already happened :P
12-19-2015, 11:46 PM
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Ok so just to bolster Nisaja's post here's the de-flooding procedure thread, and it most definitely sounds as if the battery was/is weak as well which likely started off your entire nightmare...
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-do-...lumber-182410/
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-do-...lumber-182410/
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12-20-2015, 12:33 AM
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Thanks FunRun.
To the OP, that guide says to remove the fuel pump fuse. That's not necessary because pressing the pedal to the floor cuts all fuel to the engine when cranking. So it's a little easier for you. I dont know why he disconnected the air pump line though.
To the OP, that guide says to remove the fuel pump fuse. That's not necessary because pressing the pedal to the floor cuts all fuel to the engine when cranking. So it's a little easier for you. I dont know why he disconnected the air pump line though.
12-20-2015, 03:21 AM
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I haven't tried the deflooding procedure but I'm going to...and also I'm thinking that my battery might be dead from me trying to start it but I'll try to get more info and inform you guys...and if any suggestions I'll be open to...ohh and btw i live in bakersfield California
Just to save and keep the battery from using up too much power. So, that in mind, turn off all electronics i.e. radio, interior lights, etc... If you have another car available, piggy back your battery to that car as though you would when you jump start another with a dead battery. Make sure that car is running to keep the charge on it's battery to boost yours. Is yours a manual transmission?
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12-20-2015, 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Grace_Excel
Ryan, I make trips to Bakersfield once a month, will be visiting my parents next week on Christmas. If you are available that day, I may be able to find time to check what your problem is. I have not deflooded my car in three years but I have a very clear idea if the RX-8 have more problem(s) than just a dead battery. Is yours a manual transmission?Just to save and keep the battery from using up too much power. So, that in mind, turn off all electronics i.e. radio, interior lights, etc... If you have another car available, piggy back your battery to that car as though you would when you jump start another with a dead battery. Make sure that car is running to keep the charge on it's battery to boost yours. Is yours a manual transmission?
12-20-2015, 05:32 AM
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Sorry, the manual transmission question is for Ryan, haha! With a helping hand, even with a weak battery; if his engine is indeed flooded, it would be easier to just push start and pop the clutch rather than go through the recommended deflooding procedure.
In desperate time, that's what I remember doing. I dropped off a friend and my car already have low compression due to an internal coolant leak. Common symptoms were there: easy cold starts, long cranking starts when engine is warm. I left the car idling for at least five minutes to take care of something at his house. I came back out and the engine had turned off.
True story: I was embarassed to ask him for help so I placed the car on neutral, left the door open and made sure there weren't anything or anyone 30 yards down the street. Street had a slight decline, so I pushed the car with all my might then jump in. Quickly popped the clutch before the car slowed down and the engine cranked to start. Crazy **** and it always worked for me that few times I had to do it. Of course, that was my day-to-day thing dealing with the long cranking starts and it became second nature for me until the engine finally gave up and I had a remanufactured one replace it.
In desperate time, that's what I remember doing. I dropped off a friend and my car already have low compression due to an internal coolant leak. Common symptoms were there: easy cold starts, long cranking starts when engine is warm. I left the car idling for at least five minutes to take care of something at his house. I came back out and the engine had turned off.
True story: I was embarassed to ask him for help so I placed the car on neutral, left the door open and made sure there weren't anything or anyone 30 yards down the street. Street had a slight decline, so I pushed the car with all my might then jump in. Quickly popped the clutch before the car slowed down and the engine cranked to start. Crazy **** and it always worked for me that few times I had to do it. Of course, that was my day-to-day thing dealing with the long cranking starts and it became second nature for me until the engine finally gave up and I had a remanufactured one replace it.
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12-20-2015, 11:23 AM
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Nisaja it addresses both/all methods.. Must read further into the thread.. It also mentions the possibility of pooling fuel in the cat and so by disconnecting the air pump avoiding a sudden ignition of the fuel doing damage to the cat as I understand it, I guess by not vaporizing up the fuel more by blowing it around the cat? A slow burn versus an explosive type of burn?
^ Yes if his is a manual maybe he can get someone to give him a pull and then drop the clutch this would be much more preferable to the de-flood procedure in his case BUT he needs to address the battery issue still (?) even if he gets it running because it will likely just flood again when he tries to restart as it will likely not get enough charge just off a brief period of running, if it even will recharge at all? Checking it thoroughly once running would be a very prudent thing to do, bring to a local parts store to have it checked.
Very kind offer of you to help him with his issues
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12-20-2015, 04:54 PM
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Since you kept on trying to start it, my guess it's now BADLY flooded. You'll have to take it to the next level lol. Here's a summarized de flooding procedure.
Make sure your battery is charged before doing this.
1) Pull the spark plugs out of the engine. Remove left wheel to access the plugs. Move the cover/flap out of the way and you'll see the plugs.
2) Hold the accelerator pedal to the floor. This is a fuel cut. When you do this, the engine doesn't get any fuel, so it wont flood even more lol.
3) CRANK while holding the pedal to the floor. You'll have to do this a few times. Crank for 10 seconds. Wait for 15 seconds to cool off the starter. Repeat.
This should sweep out all the fuel in the chamber out through the spark plug holes.
4) Once you've done that for like 5 times, clean the plugs and put them back on. Make sure to get the leading and trailing plugs on right. They're written on the plugs to tell you where they go.
5) Crank WITHOUT pressing the pedal. Now's the time you actually try to start it. If it doesn't start, repeat the process.
If this doesn't work after a few tries, there's something else wrong with it.
The full de-flooding guide is on the club. Search for it bro. I'm late for school so I gotta run. Otherwise I would've searched for it for you.
Don't worry you'll be fine. The club is here for you man. Just keep us updated more often. When you reply after days, we lose track of what has already happened :P
Make sure your battery is charged before doing this.
1) Pull the spark plugs out of the engine. Remove left wheel to access the plugs. Move the cover/flap out of the way and you'll see the plugs.
2) Hold the accelerator pedal to the floor. This is a fuel cut. When you do this, the engine doesn't get any fuel, so it wont flood even more lol.
3) CRANK while holding the pedal to the floor. You'll have to do this a few times. Crank for 10 seconds. Wait for 15 seconds to cool off the starter. Repeat.
This should sweep out all the fuel in the chamber out through the spark plug holes.
4) Once you've done that for like 5 times, clean the plugs and put them back on. Make sure to get the leading and trailing plugs on right. They're written on the plugs to tell you where they go.
5) Crank WITHOUT pressing the pedal. Now's the time you actually try to start it. If it doesn't start, repeat the process.
If this doesn't work after a few tries, there's something else wrong with it.
The full de-flooding guide is on the club. Search for it bro. I'm late for school so I gotta run. Otherwise I would've searched for it for you.
Don't worry you'll be fine. The club is here for you man. Just keep us updated more often. When you reply after days, we lose track of what has already happened :P
12-20-2015, 04:58 PM
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Ryan, I make trips to Bakersfield once a month, will be visiting my parents next week on Christmas. If you are available that day, I may be able to find time to check what your problem is. I have not deflooded my car in three years but I have a very clear idea if the RX-8 have more problem(s) than just a dead battery. Is yours a manual transmission?
Just to save and keep the battery from using up too much power. So, that in mind, turn off all electronics i.e. radio, interior lights, etc... If you have another car available, piggy back your battery to that car as though you would when you jump start another with a dead battery. Make sure that car is running to keep the charge on it's battery to boost yours. Is yours a manual transmission?
Just to save and keep the battery from using up too much power. So, that in mind, turn off all electronics i.e. radio, interior lights, etc... If you have another car available, piggy back your battery to that car as though you would when you jump start another with a dead battery. Make sure that car is running to keep the charge on it's battery to boost yours. Is yours a manual transmission?
12-22-2015, 05:28 PM
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Nothing yet im hoping that one of the repliers will still come so I can have a more knowledgeable person to help me thats able to look at my car, specially one that knows about totary...
12-23-2015, 10:28 AM
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So Ryan have you and Grace Pm'd? Is he going to be able help you out? Or are you just waiting for an angel that hasn't yet stepped forward? I'm on the east coast so no chance I can help and Nisaja's half way around the world in another country so this is all we can do to help you out from a distance.
Hopefully Grace will be able to help you out?
Hopefully Grace will be able to help you out?
12-23-2015, 06:28 PM
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I won't be in town until tomorrow. I have one more shift tonight before we head up from L.A. to Bakersfield. Just PM me, my parent's house is in the Riverside area(Olive Dr/Coffee Rd) near Centennial High School.
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12-25-2015, 10:10 PM
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What? He hasn't made some prior arrangements in advance with you by Pm or text or something? I'd think something as important as this and a one off opportunity to get some first hand help would be a priority? Ryan? What's up with that?
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