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Qustions and Answers re Interceptor-X
 

Please visit the Mazport Vendor Subforum for several answers to many of your questions. We look forward to hearing more feedback from you.

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Christy G

hope you don't mind if I make this a little bit easier for everyone :D...here is the link to your vendor subforum:

https://www.rx8club.com/mazsport-104/q-greddy-turbo-interceptor-x-292-whp-68398/

OH MY GOSH!!!

I just watched the video and am amazed at the power you are obtaining with the GREDDY kit and your EMS!!!

That is just amazing! 290 hp and 250 tq.. are you kidding me???? I was thinking about selling my car and purchasing a new one next year, but this might just be another option for me...

Those power figures have brought back the excitement of this car to me. I am still blown away by the 250 tq.. That has to be the best part.

:eek: <<<<<<<<<<<< STUNNED!!!!!!!

It's cool that you guys have some real engine management now, but my god that markup is insane if that unit is what I'm thinking it is.

It's not a Megasquirt.

so how much Power is this going to add N/A?

I guess you have not seen the new stuff in a while then, Psylence. The interpreter software is probably the best available in the industry. Although the m4 series is dos based it's still damn easy to use. I taught one of my guys in the shop quickly and I am not a good teacher.

The new stuff is windows based and it is still pricey but a lot of us think it's worth it if you really want perfection. It sounds like you have used it so obviously you know how good it works.

I do admit it is a little priced on the high side but from what it looks it sounds like they finally got something we want .

Thanks for taking the time to reply to all the questions.

It seems part of the challenge was to trick the OEM PCM into thinking everything is OK. And you seem to have succeeded. Well done.

On the other hand, I'm a bit disappointed by the crudity or simplicity of the Engine Management side of your product. As an engine calibration engineer I have a lot of technical requirements for such a system and your product would fail (in this initial spec, anyway) to satisfy them. That said, I must admit your product will probably be the dog's bollocks for 90% of the users and, therefore, a commercial success if you have got the relyability right.

Good luck.

Richard, I hear what you are saying cost wise, but prices will come down and after the initial surge in demand Mazsport may be willing to give you a good discount!. Look how the prices for other mods have come down the past year. So far (as I have said since you 1st made an entry on this forum) if I ever do FI it will be with your product. I think once people see the differance between what you are trying to do(and can complete) and the various turbo systems out there then they will realize how much better a system you have. Keep on trucking baby, put the Stones on the jukebox and keep turning the wrench's!
Once again would this unit have to be removed when you went to the dealer for service etc? I am thinking it would. Not that ,that is a big deal--just wondering.
Olddragger

Richard,

Help me understand what price point your aiming for exactly, I figure that after some time the price on this unit will come down some, I mean, its about the same price as the powerFC for the 3rd gen's so I don't feel its horribly expensive, but not cheap either.

Since your blower will hopefully not need an intercooler, thats less $$ in parts, to top that off, it should be a easier install, therefore fewer people will have to pay to get it put in, I figure that a blower kit from you sans management should be about what, $3.5K? with this unit, your right in the sweet spot as I see it.

Note: RG and I are still going to work on the Megasquirt project, just to see if it will actually work, and for the experience.

saw the video...one word...WOW. 250LBS of Torque...double WOW. I can't wait until my warranty is up :)

wow indeed

i did not see mention of the rev limiter. i realize the risks of tuning a car to turn 10k but could this be done with this unit as well?

Brillo, let me get this right. You think it would be just fine that all the componants that I develop and build be supplied for $3500 and that a little box of cheap electronics be added for another 50%?

You know how much that thing costs because it has the same content as the unit your working with. Megasquirt is making a profit on that too. So you of all people know for a fact that there is only $100 in parts. It's insane. How is it that all you people accept this sort of pricing but scream if a complete blower kit is over $2500.

I have years of R&D in my blower, I think they should sell for $20,000. That would be cheaper then what these people are selling ECU's for if you compare cost to build. Let's not even get into the facilities and machinery required for each. You can build an ECU in your bedroom or on yiour desk. You probably are doing that now. Don't need $400,000 in machines do you?

Now house and feed that equipment while you do your R&D. Get the point why I have a resistance to buy these things? Another example the E manage, it has problems but it didn't cost lless to develop or build and it's under $300. That is where the price should be on these things. I will prove it if I have to by building my own. Trouble with that is time, I should have started that a year ago.

Here is a question that is bugging me, will it be able to go from N/A to Turbo with ease, meaning will you include both the mappings on a disc or something? I also agree with RP on the price issue, i know we are seeing huge gains in power but i personally think 1700 is a bit high even if it is brand new.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be confusing. I wan't implying that you should mark anything up, what I was trying to determine is what you were thinking about charging for your kit sans management, and see if you added the above mentioned ECU at $16XX to the cost, how close it was in price to other kits on the market with twin screws which are the closest comparable S/C to yours.

Really I was just trying to show that your kit plus this ECU would not be totally out of market price wize based on what may have been bad assumptions.

I know that tooling for a mechanical part is much more expensive than developing software, so Thinking that your kit wthout management was going to be in the $3.5K range may have been way low.

Sorry, I was more trying to help you than hurt :)

You aint paying for the electronics....;)

And your whining sounds just as lame as the people who want a complete blower kit for $3500. Or is it just sour grapes because you didn't think of it/make it work first?

While in theory that could be done, providing a generic turbo map on a map based system such as this is a dangerous thing. Many 3rd gen RX-7's blew up because of just changing turbos on their cars which also used a map based ecu. The reason why this is bad is because in a map based system, you are telling the ecu to provide a certain amount of fuel per a certain amount of boost. That may sound all fine and dandy but remember that not every turbo out thee flows the same amount of air per the same amount of boost. That's where the problem comes in. They could probably supply a map for the Greddy system as they have experience with it but if you were to apply this same map to another turbo system out there and just assume that since you are running the same boost you'll be ok, you will probably blow the engine up. If they were to supply a map for a turbo system, it would only be used with the exact system it was designed for, that's it. Any other turbo system would need to be custom tuned. This system will give you the ability to tune your car around whatever mods you want wheher it be a supercharger, turbocharger, nitrous, etc... Just don't expect to be supplied a base map for every possible combination. That won't happen. They could probably provide one for the Greddy turbo and for nonturbo use. Everyone else would be on their own from a tuning standpoint.

I may be off, but I took it that what homesarr was really asking was, can this unit be purchased and tuned for N/A applications, then at whatever point in time later use the same unit and reprogram it to work with F/I?

On their website, they do distinguish between N/A and F/I for purchasing.

ye sit can it is fully programmable maps. but they will also have some maps that either come already programmed in or that can be loaded from a disc. check their forum int he vendors section for updates on the NA tuning.

should i just move this discussion there so as to keep the info in one place?

Yes

Bottom line, the ECU, Richard's blower, etc...they and everything else are worth what people are willing to pay. There's really not a comparable ECU solution out there right now that's been proven to work with the car and which addresses the problems that stuff like the E-Manage fail to address. If for instance Brillo and RG get their Megasquirt project working, even without offering it as a kit, the Mazsport ECU will have to come down in price to be competitive with others who want to build on RG/Brillo's work. Until then, or until someone else has something similar, there will probably be a sufficient supply of buyers at their price point.

Same thing goes for the blower, Richard, only as the price gets higher, the number of people willing and able to pay it will go down, no matter how good or unique the solution is.

jds

Still waiting for an answer ;)

Personally i am happy with my CZ UNIT and will stay with that until this product is well and truly tested and the price becomes far more realistic :D especially for the Australian market with our $$ being so weak :eek:

B...free
Michael