What is going on here. Are there people trying to piss of Shine and have him stop making stuff for the RX8 community. If the demand is out there for people wanting a replica then someone will make it because green is green. Dont go and piss someone off who makes the product they are only going off from request. If you dont like replica's then dont buy one, you dont have to come bad mouth it and tell some company to be original. Maybe you can go stand on the side of a road with a picket sign by the Enviromentalist or homeless people to let everyone know how you are feeling.

I usually say out of topics like this but this is a blatant cheap shot and the only reason that its posted on the Group Buy thread is to deter potential buyers with peer pressure. There are already threats in other sections discussing this topic.

1. First off, if you say the word “fake”… that means someone is trying to pass off the generic item as the real thing… I think we all can see that shine lets everyone know it’s a replica before hand.

2. Secondly, what shine is doing happen everyday in ever country around the world. It’s called Reverse Engineering. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering Anytime something is referred to as a “Brand Name Product” as opposed to a “Generic Product”; they are doing exactly what shine is doing… it happen so often in the corporate world, its not even funny.

3. If you like the product, you should buy the original. – The original is better. – it not right. Give me a break, if the company that makes these products care about the US market then they should follow accepted business practices.
- A return policy = If you buy the Japanese parts from a distributor, and you want a refund… fat chance, the best you can do is return the product and they slap you for a 20% to 35% restock fee.
- Support Contact; sales rep; techical support = In the US, where I can actually reach them, and they actually speak English.
- Delivery of production within a month of payment. Shine require a deposit on when starts the project, and the rest if paid when the product is ready. In the US, if you want to dispute product quality, delivery time… you general have to do it within 30days, after that time period, it’s a hell of a lot harder to shit done. When you order parts from japan through a distributor, guess what it takes 30 to 60days if not more… you got a hell of a legal climb if something were to do wrong.
- A place where I can actually read to get information about the product.
- A warranty = Mazda of US offers a 12month/12,000mile on there mazdaspeed bodykit, and it sure as hell not because they want to, it because they government regulate these things so that US consumer get safe and quality product.
- Licensed Vendor = not distributors, licensed vendor give me the customer leverage with something is wrong with the product... a distributor doesnt have to worry about stuff like that, he just needs to get the product to some within a 6months.

If something where to happen, like shine bumper started to melt and I get into a accident, it would have infinity more legal action I can take than from a company from japan that doesn’t need to compile with US regulation.

I could write a thesis on this subject if I wanted to.

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Alright guys. for those unfamiliar with the kit, heres some pics: ( this isn't Shines, this is the JDM actual vertex lang kit.)

http://i3.tinypic.com/4d4cwvp.jpg

http://i12.tinypic.com/29c1ljs.jpg

http://i3.tinypic.com/48cochy.jpg

many more pics can be found around the forums.. some more good pictures of the kit posted: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...ht=vertex+lang

^^also notice in the link above the picture of the rear lip spoiler, an option aside from the one on the white rx-8.

this diatribe has snowballed into the realm of the ridiculous...:mad:

Alright guys. Those of you who know what you want, let's move forward. Let's get that list going.

K guys lets get the list going now..

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damn, no ones in yet? what happened to all the people that wanted it?

i have a list of people that I am still working on getting a hold of. Werent you of interest llzjayarzll?

yea ill hop on when others are on, till then my hopes are with feed =x

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1. RX8FORMe9- Front, Sides, Rear with lip spoiler
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I prefer the FEED, but it seems that more people want the Vertex, and Shine only got permission for the Vertex Group Buy. So, I'm hedging my bet.

The Vertex is my second choice anyway, so I'll cast the die.


1. RX8FORMe9- Front, Sides, Rear with lip spoiler
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mountain has my thinking! i don wanna put my name on yet! lol

1. RX8FORMe9- Front, Sides, Rear with lip spoiler
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about when would this be ready (i.e. when would you want the deposit and then final payment- ballpark?) I just need to know when I would need to have the funds.

Oh yeah, all the replica comments- shut up, you're annoying, go buy an authentic kit and don't cry when a rock spoils your day

upz...
 

Upz...

sorry guys, i have been quite busy lately planning for spring break and all. the years moving pretty fast! i still have quite a few people i need to get a hold of that were interested in the kit.. try to get the word out so we can speed this up. talk to anyone you think might be interested on the forums.
Chickenwafer- If i am not mistaken, i believe the $200 deposit will be taken once the 15 spots are filled, in order to get funds for the kit and molds, etc. The rest of the money will be payed once the kits are done.. unknown time as of now, we need to get to 15 people first :)
correct me if I am wrong Ken
tatoo- get yourself on the list! ;)

Yep. We need to get 15 people on here first. There are alot of factors involved in the time to get this done that we cant control. For example. Getting 15 people on the list. Ordering from vertex and waiting for delivery from Japan. Delivery time from Japan. Finding a car to test fit....etc etc....

If you look at the autobahn project. it was 4-5 months.

shine - i'm not trying to bash here as i really respect your work and am kicking myself that i didn't get in on the autobahn project. i'm just trying to reconcile the first post you all had on here about getting it fast and the 4-5 month timeframe now given. because what i'm reading here is that you would have to order the kit and then start the process. but if i wanted to buy the authentic kit and placed my order, i would have it faster because in theory we would both get it at the same time but i'd be able to put mine on rather than waiting for the test fitting, molding, shipping, etc.

again, i'm really not trying to discredit you but i just want to know how those two statements match up. now, if you said that it was fast for future productions i can absolutely see that. if you wanted to churn out some more autobahns then you already have the mold and could do that much more quickly than if i had to wait on a shipment from japan.

CTrx8- obviously as the first turn out of kits it will take a bit because the list needs to be filled, deposits taken, and then still wait on top of that for the JDM kit to arrive. That is the main hold up I am assuming, because just like everyone that buys the original, it will take Ken the time to get the kit. Once received and molds are done, I am sure everyone will be happy with it. The material will be more flexible and more worth your money as well as the fitment being corrected off of any errors on the original. Afterwards, just with the Autobahn, molds will already exist and faster turnouts will come. There is no other way to get it faster until the molds are created. Not only that, but you are saving some money!

i agree 100% i just want to figure out how it would be fast if the first round really isn't fast. if they continue taking orders on autobahn because they have the mold and can do so i can see where that would be the case but that is closed for 4-6 months. and if/when i get a kit i am almost positive it would be from shine because of the quality, attention to detail, material, and price. that's why i prefaced it all with the fact i don't have anything against shine but just want to figure out how it can be fast and 4-6 months for this kit after everyone has signed up.

You know what. I retract my statement because I was thinking about it fast after we get the kit from Japan. You are absolutely right. It would be around the same amount of time.

Are you looking for those 2 kits in particular or are you just looking to get a kit. We do have two other kits available. Burnout lip kit and Autoe Exe kit. And we do have the full original autobahn kit along with the rear bumper for sale if you are interested in that. Not as good quality as ours, but it will do the job and will definitely be something you can have fast :)