Group Buy: Vertex Full Kit Replica in Hybrid FRP Material. Round 2
 

Alright guys. I'll keep this short and simple since someone else already made an interest thread for this.

People have been hounding us to do this kit and we finally got permission to do this group buy.

I will fill in details about time frame later tonight.

We need AT LEAST 15 people involved to get this going.

Here are the group buy prices.

Front bumper $475
Sides $350
Rear $400

Shipping will be $135 to a business; and $160 to residential.

Our price is not THAT much less than the original, but you will get it FAST and it will be made in better quality. We will go through the same rigorous test fitting procedures as we did with the AutoBahn.

A $200 deposit will be required. We will get a list going. Then after the list is completed with more than 15 people, I will then ask for a $200 deposit. The real list we be based on who sent in the deposit first. That way, we don't wait forever for them to come in. So I don't want to hear any complaining about being on the list first and then being on the list last because your deposit came in later than everyone else's. These are the rules set forth and sometimes you gotta roll with the punches :). It is better this way because it will speed up the process.



Let's get that list going

and let us know what parts your interested in by listing FB, SS, RB .


Ken

its the vertex!! pm sent

interesting claim:

faster and better quality than the real vertex.... :icon_no2:

Would you care to make a bet? We've done vertex parts for the 350z before. It's not that great. Most Japanese aero parts are outsourced to only a very few factories in Japan, which is why the construction is pretty much the same. White gel coat, thin, and brittle. Anyone dare challenge this? Come to our warehouse and check out our JDM aero parts. I will personally give you a tour. We have authentic Ings, Amuse, Nismo, C-west, Vertex, Burnout, and many many more high dollar JDM aero parts. I can pull them out so you can compare the quality for yourself. We don't make claims we can't back up. If we did, we'd be out of business.

I would do that.....but im sure youre not on the east coast....:rollingla

I was implying that anyone is welcomed to come take a look.

" Anyone dare challenge this? Come to our warehouse and check out our JDM aero parts."

poor FE3P. :(

I haven't seen one of your replicas in person yet but I was impressed with your customer service and results from the Autobahn.
We need someone to finally make a GOOD replica MS kit... (or version II) Sorry, that's a topic for another day.

Vertex Lang Kit is soooooo SEXY!

+1 on the MS v2.

atleast be original, make up your own stuff instead of ripping off other japanese companies that actually spend their own dime on creating it. You guys are no better than chinese manufacturers that make fake louis vuitton, gucci etc.

that's true dee...but remember, it's all about demand. they'll make good money off the replica vertex, or any JDM bodykit. it'll be readily available to anyone on the US, that's already +1. i'm sure you guys are totally capable of making up your own kits, but who would want to buy it? the US is so much about JDM. look what happened to companies like Wings West. good luck with the sales. i'd have to see your stuff in person, or read reviews from your customers to buy your kits. i would definately buy if it was quality stuff and available within a couple weeks...i'm just not crazy over the vertex kit. so in the meantime, i'll wait til you guys get a little bigger and come out with the R-Magic kit :D:

well, i've said it many times before, it is inevitble, and can't be stopped it. But atleast i'd like to get my voice heard over the matter. This also goes for fake cheap rims as well. But oh well, I know what I have and I know what I plan to get so it doesnt effect me one bit.

my .02, they're car parts, who cares.

+1 to shine, business is business.

You have no idea that we are as guilty as the people who buy it. People come to us asking relentlessly to do it. We didn't even want to do because we were just recently done with 2 aero kits for the RX8. We'd rather sell those than introduce a new item to be honest. But this is what the people want and they chose us to bring them the goods. I didn't say this was ethical. We're straight up about what we do. Even if we were original, what does that have to do with the thread? We've made original parts before. Us being original has really nothing to do with people wanting Vertex Replicas.

The guys who want the replica know what this is about.

You're also mentioning things like fake bags, fake cheap rims. Our products might be replicas, but they're not cheap. They're better. I'm not argueing that it makes it ethical, but businesses spur up everyday from taking someone else's idea and making it better.

Speaking of cheap rims, did you ever notice that Dazz Motorpsorts Maya Wheels are pretty much of exact copies of Japanese wheels like TrafficStar?

Also....why isn't the RX8 kit sold in America? Maybe they don't really care if the American people buy it or not?

I have no issue with replicas at all....as a matter of fact, my car is covered with them....some, the fitment was good, others great and some were really bad....

which tells me there are good replicators and bad replicators....

my issue is this: dont know how anyone can say that their replica fitment is better than the real deal....to me, that just doesnt wash....IMO....

im not saying i wouldnt buy anything from Shine...:D:

I just done agree with that particular statement...

to each his own, i like to save money when i can =)

^^ ditto!! :D:

Well. My statement was "faster and better quality," not "faster and better fitment," because I do not know if there is any fitment issue with the Vertex Rx8 kit. The only thing I know of is its construction. It is straight fiberglass, which is brittle. They use gel coats, not flexible primers like we do, so paint/primer has a higher tendency to peel off. Our parts are flexible, which is a great benefit, and most of the time they come out being lighter than the original as well. These are the main reasons why I stated it to be better quality.

If there was a fitment issue with the original vertex kit like we had with the rear half bumper for the 350z (we had to cut and extend it because it was too short), then I would say ours fit better than the original.

for Example. We had fitment issues with the original autobahn front bumper and sides. We improved on those issues and therefore our parts fit better than the original. I am citing this example because we KNOW for a fact original parts are not always as good as people expect. There is a whole thread on the autobahn showing improvements from step A to Z. Most of the time there are minor issues that can be fixed within a day. We wouldn't even replicate a part if it wasn't test fitted first because we don't trust it.

Myth: Original JDM aero parts fit perfect 100%. Most of the time they have good fitment with minor issues if any. The Autobahn was probably a bad example because it was pretty bad.

If you bought a $2,000 JDM aero kit from Japan and let's say a sideskirt was missing half an inch on the corner. The body shop would probably tell you, oh we can fix that in 30 min to and hour no problem. You probably won't think much of it. This actually happens quite often. You're probably not gonna bitch and moan about it on the internet or complain to Vertex Japan. You're just gonna fix the minor problem and be happy about the kit on your car.

Now. Let's say a replica company came and made the exact same thing and had the exact same corner missing. Next thing you know, the customer is posting up pics of the corner on the net and telling everyone else how shitty of a replica it is.... I mean common. You all know that's probably the way it's gonna go down. Replica parts are subject to HIGHER SCRUTINY than original JDM aero parts because people buy it being a skeptic from the start. As soon as you get the part, you're probably going to inspect every inch of it. That's the way it is because many people have been burned in the past and I don't blame em. The staff here at Shine all know this because I remind them all the time. We have to try our best to cover our asses and because of that, we actually do end having better fitment than the the original. Most of the time, the improvements are very minor and really nothing to boast about. If I actually state that our parts fit better than the original, there was probably something really funky going on with the original JDM aero parts. Another thing, because our parts are flexible, the are easier to fit. With straight fiberglass parts, sometimes you have to pound on them to get em in.

KelRx8 and Time4akshun. 2 Shine repro Autobahn super happy customers... :)

Time

Well maybe there is an idea.

I think most people have no qualms about lettin others know they have a replica right?

Why not do the exact same bodykit but with minor alterations, like maybe an extra hole or vent on the front bumper. Make sure that it must be noticeable and clearly shown.

That would also give "shine" some originality and make everyone happy.

There are replicas of just about everything in the world. First take an iPod for example. Apple created a product that everyone wanted then other companies made similar products with minor design changes. Some people would only buy the original iPod but others will buy the other Mp3 players. Now take the Autobahn kit for example. The original Autobahn kit is made of fiberglass but Shine's replica is made of a hybrid flexible fiber reinforced plastic. Some people will only buy the original but others will buy the replica for one reason or another.

I personally have the Shine Autobahn kit. I could have bought the original but I feel that Shines flexible material is better than the original. I have no problem telling people that it is a replica but I then explain why I bought the replica kit.

Keep up the good work Shine and don't let the "haters" get you down. Those of us who actually have your products know that they are high quality!

lets keep this thread to the interest and get a list going. theres no need for the common replica speech, we all know it. The fact is, Shine does great work and has proven himself with body kits for the rx-8 and 7. As shine said, it may not be ethical, but you supply where theres demand right? and when the product is coming faster then the original and is made of a more durable material, it definitaly has advantages. you do not want to purchase a $2,000 kit and get it installed and painted for $700 to have the kit chipped by a little rock on the road. I am not saying this kit is indestructable, but it does have less of a chance of being torn to pieces at a lesser cost. It isn't like the fake Oakleys or Rolexs you buy in New York because it actually has advantages over the original. When you buy a fake watch, you already know it will probably fall apart and will be of poor quality. You get it because of the price. When you buy a replica body kit like ShineAuto's, where his work has been proven, you get the cheaper price but also get most of the advantages of an authentic. Anyways, lets keep this focused on the interest and stop the flaming.

ill be on it if the list grows. but i really want the feed =(

whats the dollar amount. i might be in.

first post? if its CA its better isnt it =p or am i wrong

What is going on here. Are there people trying to piss of Shine and have him stop making stuff for the RX8 community. If the demand is out there for people wanting a replica then someone will make it because green is green. Dont go and piss someone off who makes the product they are only going off from request. If you dont like replica's then dont buy one, you dont have to come bad mouth it and tell some company to be original. Maybe you can go stand on the side of a road with a picket sign by the Enviromentalist or homeless people to let everyone know how you are feeling.

I usually say out of topics like this but this is a blatant cheap shot and the only reason that its posted on the Group Buy thread is to deter potential buyers with peer pressure. There are already threats in other sections discussing this topic.

1. First off, if you say the word “fake”… that means someone is trying to pass off the generic item as the real thing… I think we all can see that shine lets everyone know it’s a replica before hand.

2. Secondly, what shine is doing happen everyday in ever country around the world. It’s called Reverse Engineering. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering Anytime something is referred to as a “Brand Name Product” as opposed to a “Generic Product”; they are doing exactly what shine is doing… it happen so often in the corporate world, its not even funny.

3. If you like the product, you should buy the original. – The original is better. – it not right. Give me a break, if the company that makes these products care about the US market then they should follow accepted business practices.
- A return policy = If you buy the Japanese parts from a distributor, and you want a refund… fat chance, the best you can do is return the product and they slap you for a 20% to 35% restock fee.
- Support Contact; sales rep; techical support = In the US, where I can actually reach them, and they actually speak English.
- Delivery of production within a month of payment. Shine require a deposit on when starts the project, and the rest if paid when the product is ready. In the US, if you want to dispute product quality, delivery time… you general have to do it within 30days, after that time period, it’s a hell of a lot harder to shit done. When you order parts from japan through a distributor, guess what it takes 30 to 60days if not more… you got a hell of a legal climb if something were to do wrong.
- A place where I can actually read to get information about the product.
- A warranty = Mazda of US offers a 12month/12,000mile on there mazdaspeed bodykit, and it sure as hell not because they want to, it because they government regulate these things so that US consumer get safe and quality product.
- Licensed Vendor = not distributors, licensed vendor give me the customer leverage with something is wrong with the product... a distributor doesnt have to worry about stuff like that, he just needs to get the product to some within a 6months.

If something where to happen, like shine bumper started to melt and I get into a accident, it would have infinity more legal action I can take than from a company from japan that doesn’t need to compile with US regulation.

I could write a thesis on this subject if I wanted to.

^^^

Alright guys. for those unfamiliar with the kit, heres some pics: ( this isn't Shines, this is the JDM actual vertex lang kit.)

http://i3.tinypic.com/4d4cwvp.jpg

http://i12.tinypic.com/29c1ljs.jpg

http://i3.tinypic.com/48cochy.jpg

many more pics can be found around the forums.. some more good pictures of the kit posted: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...ht=vertex+lang

^^also notice in the link above the picture of the rear lip spoiler, an option aside from the one on the white rx-8.

this diatribe has snowballed into the realm of the ridiculous...:mad:

Alright guys. Those of you who know what you want, let's move forward. Let's get that list going.

K guys lets get the list going now..

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damn, no ones in yet? what happened to all the people that wanted it?

i have a list of people that I am still working on getting a hold of. Werent you of interest llzjayarzll?

yea ill hop on when others are on, till then my hopes are with feed =x

Added Myself

bump

let's do this
 

1. RX8FORMe9- Front, Sides, Rear with lip spoiler
2. Rotary_Wolverine - Front , Sides, and Rear
3. Balboa - Front , Sides, and Rear
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I prefer the FEED, but it seems that more people want the Vertex, and Shine only got permission for the Vertex Group Buy. So, I'm hedging my bet.

The Vertex is my second choice anyway, so I'll cast the die.


1. RX8FORMe9- Front, Sides, Rear with lip spoiler
2. Rotary_Wolverine - Front , Sides, and Rear
3. Balboa - Front , Sides, and Rear
4. mountain --- front and sides
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mountain has my thinking! i don wanna put my name on yet! lol

1. RX8FORMe9- Front, Sides, Rear with lip spoiler
2. Rotary_Wolverine - Front , Sides, and Rear
3. Balboa - Front , Sides, and Rear
4. mountain --- front and sides
5. alnielsen - Front & Rear
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about when would this be ready (i.e. when would you want the deposit and then final payment- ballpark?) I just need to know when I would need to have the funds.

Oh yeah, all the replica comments- shut up, you're annoying, go buy an authentic kit and don't cry when a rock spoils your day

upz...
 

Upz...

sorry guys, i have been quite busy lately planning for spring break and all. the years moving pretty fast! i still have quite a few people i need to get a hold of that were interested in the kit.. try to get the word out so we can speed this up. talk to anyone you think might be interested on the forums.
Chickenwafer- If i am not mistaken, i believe the $200 deposit will be taken once the 15 spots are filled, in order to get funds for the kit and molds, etc. The rest of the money will be payed once the kits are done.. unknown time as of now, we need to get to 15 people first :)
correct me if I am wrong Ken
tatoo- get yourself on the list! ;)

Yep. We need to get 15 people on here first. There are alot of factors involved in the time to get this done that we cant control. For example. Getting 15 people on the list. Ordering from vertex and waiting for delivery from Japan. Delivery time from Japan. Finding a car to test fit....etc etc....

If you look at the autobahn project. it was 4-5 months.

shine - i'm not trying to bash here as i really respect your work and am kicking myself that i didn't get in on the autobahn project. i'm just trying to reconcile the first post you all had on here about getting it fast and the 4-5 month timeframe now given. because what i'm reading here is that you would have to order the kit and then start the process. but if i wanted to buy the authentic kit and placed my order, i would have it faster because in theory we would both get it at the same time but i'd be able to put mine on rather than waiting for the test fitting, molding, shipping, etc.

again, i'm really not trying to discredit you but i just want to know how those two statements match up. now, if you said that it was fast for future productions i can absolutely see that. if you wanted to churn out some more autobahns then you already have the mold and could do that much more quickly than if i had to wait on a shipment from japan.

CTrx8- obviously as the first turn out of kits it will take a bit because the list needs to be filled, deposits taken, and then still wait on top of that for the JDM kit to arrive. That is the main hold up I am assuming, because just like everyone that buys the original, it will take Ken the time to get the kit. Once received and molds are done, I am sure everyone will be happy with it. The material will be more flexible and more worth your money as well as the fitment being corrected off of any errors on the original. Afterwards, just with the Autobahn, molds will already exist and faster turnouts will come. There is no other way to get it faster until the molds are created. Not only that, but you are saving some money!

i agree 100% i just want to figure out how it would be fast if the first round really isn't fast. if they continue taking orders on autobahn because they have the mold and can do so i can see where that would be the case but that is closed for 4-6 months. and if/when i get a kit i am almost positive it would be from shine because of the quality, attention to detail, material, and price. that's why i prefaced it all with the fact i don't have anything against shine but just want to figure out how it can be fast and 4-6 months for this kit after everyone has signed up.

You know what. I retract my statement because I was thinking about it fast after we get the kit from Japan. You are absolutely right. It would be around the same amount of time.

Are you looking for those 2 kits in particular or are you just looking to get a kit. We do have two other kits available. Burnout lip kit and Autoe Exe kit. And we do have the full original autobahn kit along with the rear bumper for sale if you are interested in that. Not as good quality as ours, but it will do the job and will definitely be something you can have fast :)