Yamaha r6 too much?
10-13-2005, 12:26 AM
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Yamaha r6 too much?
hey whats up guys, so yea im lookin for a bike to buy in the summer. Ive always wanted to buy one, see what the hype's all about. Im an 18 yr old college student (yea i kno, 18?, he's already dead :p ). But in reality im very mature when it comes to these things, specially my own safety, althou im not going to lie, i do like performance and occasional speeding.
I have heard many people tell me to get a bike thats 600cc's or less, or else im going to die. Is it really that hard to control and get used to an r6, even if ur carefull. Of course I am planning on taking riding courses, safety courses and wearing all the right gear. And i kno i would want to upgrade soon after i learned on a cheap bike, but i just dont have the money to be sparing like that. So I am asking, is it really all that dangerous/ unrealistic?
Im responsible, have good reflexes and will be properly trained. Who thinks its a death trap no matter what. Just a lil nearvous bout buyin one, dont wanna **** up. Thanks for the input. Sorry if i confused anyone with my writting, im in a hurry.
I have heard many people tell me to get a bike thats 600cc's or less, or else im going to die. Is it really that hard to control and get used to an r6, even if ur carefull. Of course I am planning on taking riding courses, safety courses and wearing all the right gear. And i kno i would want to upgrade soon after i learned on a cheap bike, but i just dont have the money to be sparing like that. So I am asking, is it really all that dangerous/ unrealistic?
Im responsible, have good reflexes and will be properly trained. Who thinks its a death trap no matter what. Just a lil nearvous bout buyin one, dont wanna **** up. Thanks for the input. Sorry if i confused anyone with my writting, im in a hurry.
10-13-2005, 12:41 AM
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But in reality im very mature when it comes to these things, specially my own safety, althou im not going to lie, i do like performance and occasional speeding.
I have heard many people tell me to get a bike thats 600cc's or less, or else im going to die. Is it really that hard to control and get used to an r6, even if ur carefull. Of course I am planning on taking riding courses, safety courses and wearing all the right gear. And i kno i would want to upgrade soon after i learned on a cheap bike, but i just dont have the money to be sparing like that. So I am asking, is it really all that dangerous/ unrealistic?
Im responsible, have good reflexes and will be properly trained. Who thinks its a death trap no matter what. Just a lil nearvous bout buyin one, dont wanna **** up.
I have heard many people tell me to get a bike thats 600cc's or less, or else im going to die. Is it really that hard to control and get used to an r6, even if ur carefull. Of course I am planning on taking riding courses, safety courses and wearing all the right gear. And i kno i would want to upgrade soon after i learned on a cheap bike, but i just dont have the money to be sparing like that. So I am asking, is it really all that dangerous/ unrealistic?
Im responsible, have good reflexes and will be properly trained. Who thinks its a death trap no matter what. Just a lil nearvous bout buyin one, dont wanna **** up.
The R6 was my first bike, it was an '01. Definitely get a 600 or less for a first bike.
I was in the same boat your in, thinking I'd always be careful and ride safe, never try wheelies, stoppies, stupid ****.....
Had it for 3 years then sold it to be able to afford the 8. I learned it doesn't matter how safe you are because there will always be other drivers out there that aren't. I had about 3 close calls, none were due to my stupidity. People are just not used to watching out for bikes on the road. I was the same way before I owned a bike.
Give you an example, I'm on a 40mph, 2 lane road taking a right. Car behind me about 3 car lengths. I signal, slow down, and right when I start making the turn, I hear tires screaching behind me. I accelerate and he barely misses me. He ends up doing a full 360 and in the other lane with no incoming traffic and came to a stop. Freaked me out. He gestured he was sorry while I just shook my head. Just wasn't paying attention and didn't see my signal.
The other times were also due to them not seeing me.... car pulled out in front of me at an intersection, and another cut me off on the highway.
Having a reflective jacket helps and even an exhaust for them to hear you coming. I had an aftermarket slip-on that was much louder than stock.
I say go for it, but you've got to be much more alert than driving a car. Remember, there's no seatbelts on a bike.
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10-13-2005, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by veilsidev1
hey whats up guys, so yea im lookin for a bike to buy in the summer. Ive always wanted to buy one, see what the hype's all about. Im an 18 yr old college student (yea i kno, 18?, he's already dead :p ). But in reality im very mature when it comes to these things, specially my own safety, althou im not going to lie, i do like performance and occasional speeding.
I have heard many people tell me to get a bike thats 600cc's or less, or else im going to die. Is it really that hard to control and get used to an r6, even if ur carefull. Of course I am planning on taking riding courses, safety courses and wearing all the right gear. And i kno i would want to upgrade soon after i learned on a cheap bike, but i just dont have the money to be sparing like that. So I am asking, is it really all that dangerous/ unrealistic?
Im responsible, have good reflexes and will be properly trained. Who thinks its a death trap no matter what. Just a lil nearvous bout buyin one, dont wanna **** up. Thanks for the input. Sorry if i confused anyone with my writting, im in a hurry.
I have heard many people tell me to get a bike thats 600cc's or less, or else im going to die. Is it really that hard to control and get used to an r6, even if ur carefull. Of course I am planning on taking riding courses, safety courses and wearing all the right gear. And i kno i would want to upgrade soon after i learned on a cheap bike, but i just dont have the money to be sparing like that. So I am asking, is it really all that dangerous/ unrealistic?
Im responsible, have good reflexes and will be properly trained. Who thinks its a death trap no matter what. Just a lil nearvous bout buyin one, dont wanna **** up. Thanks for the input. Sorry if i confused anyone with my writting, im in a hurry.
10-13-2005, 12:59 AM
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yea i kinda get what ur sayin ike. btw, i will be being used no matter what. But i dont kno why im still leanin towards the r6. I guess il just blame it on my young age, and the ignorance that comes with it :p .
10-13-2005, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by veilsidev1
yea i kinda get what ur sayin ike. btw, i will be being used no matter what. But i dont kno why im still leanin towards the r6. I guess il just blame it on my young age, and the ignorance that comes with it :p .
10-13-2005, 09:21 AM
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Yes, if you are new to riding there is NO F*KING point to buying a new bike. You ARE going to lay it down at least once, even if its just at a stop. I will never understand people who have never had a bike who go out and buy a brand new bike.
The recommendation to stay at 600 or less is very good. Even the modern 600's from a few years ago are insanely fast. I have a modified F2 and its still way too fast for me.
Its pretty simple if you remember these things when you think about getting a bike for the first time:
1. you will crash. it WILL happen.
2. even a 600 can stand straight up and throw you off in first or second gear
3. cagers (car drivers) are stupid and will underestimate your speed or not see you
4. a minor accident between two cars at 35 can be a fatality between a car and a bike
5. your survival depends on two things: luck and skill, only one of which you can control.
I've seen some pretty bad things, including a guy who got decapitated in a relatively low-speed crash. I've had three riding buddies killed on their bikes, including one who was wearing full gear. I've crashed twice myself. I've known a bunch of people who rode for a few years and got out of it because of seeing things like that.
Don't get me wrong, riding is amazing, and its a blast. Its impossible to describe being leaned all the way over in a turn, toe scraping the ground, in control of one of these amazing bikes. Check out Keith Code's book Twist of the Wrist II. The important riding techniques for sportbikes are different than conventional bikes. Riding a sportbike is all about controlling your reactions.
The recommendation to stay at 600 or less is very good. Even the modern 600's from a few years ago are insanely fast. I have a modified F2 and its still way too fast for me.
Its pretty simple if you remember these things when you think about getting a bike for the first time:
1. you will crash. it WILL happen.
2. even a 600 can stand straight up and throw you off in first or second gear
3. cagers (car drivers) are stupid and will underestimate your speed or not see you
4. a minor accident between two cars at 35 can be a fatality between a car and a bike
5. your survival depends on two things: luck and skill, only one of which you can control.
I've seen some pretty bad things, including a guy who got decapitated in a relatively low-speed crash. I've had three riding buddies killed on their bikes, including one who was wearing full gear. I've crashed twice myself. I've known a bunch of people who rode for a few years and got out of it because of seeing things like that.
Don't get me wrong, riding is amazing, and its a blast. Its impossible to describe being leaned all the way over in a turn, toe scraping the ground, in control of one of these amazing bikes. Check out Keith Code's book Twist of the Wrist II. The important riding techniques for sportbikes are different than conventional bikes. Riding a sportbike is all about controlling your reactions.
10-13-2005, 09:28 AM
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Get an older 600 sportbike and learn on that. Unless you are a very gifted rider, you won't outgrow it for at least a couple years, or maybe never. Lots of experienced sportbike riders still prefer a 600 for its nimbleness. Remember, even a 600 from the early nineties is still a low 12 second bike.
10-14-2005, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by veilsidev1
hey whats up guys, so yea im lookin for a bike to buy in the summer. Ive always wanted to buy one, see what the hype's all about. Im an 18 yr old college student (yea i kno, 18?, he's already dead :p ). But in reality im very mature when it comes to these things, specially my own safety, althou im not going to lie, i do like performance and occasional speeding.
I have heard many people tell me to get a bike thats 600cc's or less, or else im going to die. Is it really that hard to control and get used to an r6, even if ur carefull. Of course I am planning on taking riding courses, safety courses and wearing all the right gear. And i kno i would want to upgrade soon after i learned on a cheap bike, but i just dont have the money to be sparing like that. So I am asking, is it really all that dangerous/ unrealistic?
Im responsible, have good reflexes and will be properly trained. Who thinks its a death trap no matter what. Just a lil nearvous bout buyin one, dont wanna **** up. Thanks for the input. Sorry if i confused anyone with my writting, im in a hurry.
I have heard many people tell me to get a bike thats 600cc's or less, or else im going to die. Is it really that hard to control and get used to an r6, even if ur carefull. Of course I am planning on taking riding courses, safety courses and wearing all the right gear. And i kno i would want to upgrade soon after i learned on a cheap bike, but i just dont have the money to be sparing like that. So I am asking, is it really all that dangerous/ unrealistic?
Im responsible, have good reflexes and will be properly trained. Who thinks its a death trap no matter what. Just a lil nearvous bout buyin one, dont wanna **** up. Thanks for the input. Sorry if i confused anyone with my writting, im in a hurry.
The nice thing about an older bikes is once they hit the $3500 range they don't depreciate much. I bought a '91 GSX-600 back in 2000 for $3500, and sold it a couple weeks ago for $2100. I learned how to ride on it and wrench on it. Now after almost 6yrs I'm finally buying a new one. You'de be suprised how much damage you can do to yourself even as an experienced rider. Hell just ask my lil' bro. He just got done having knee and shoulder surgery today. He's gonna be layed up for the next month or so. Well back to my point - On a cheap bike you can afford to make all the mistakes you're going to cry for months over when +$9000 ( after dealer's bs markups ) hits the pavement. Not that I don't think you can handle your self but it's just something that happens to everyone and ussually with in the first 2 weeks. I did it, all my friends did it, my brother did it better... it happens.
If you want to do it any ways PM me. If you're close to Chicago or on the way from Chicago to AZ I can hook you up w/ killer deals. As soon as the '06 GSX-R600s hit the floor I'm on a plane and bringing her back here. :D
10-14-2005, 12:06 PM
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Let me give you three points of advice:
1) Don't do it.
2) Don't do it.
3) Did I mention don't do it?
Get a learner-bike first. Get a learner-bike first. As others have said, an older used bike has done most of its depreciation, so you'll be able to beat on it while you learn, put it down without worrying about messing up shiny fancy chrome and paint, and then later, when you've mastered riding, you can sell it and get back most of what you put into it.
It's not just about being a careful rider. Just because you take a riding course (and, of course, you *should*), that doesn't mean you've mastered riding. The riding course is just the beginning, its enough to get you going, but you will still be a *very* green, beginner rider after the course. I'd plan on sticking with the learner bike for as much as a year before moving up. I did, and zero regrets.
And then, at that time, you'll know MUCH more about what you want in a 'real' bike.
Good luck!
1) Don't do it.
2) Don't do it.
3) Did I mention don't do it?
Get a learner-bike first. Get a learner-bike first. As others have said, an older used bike has done most of its depreciation, so you'll be able to beat on it while you learn, put it down without worrying about messing up shiny fancy chrome and paint, and then later, when you've mastered riding, you can sell it and get back most of what you put into it.
It's not just about being a careful rider. Just because you take a riding course (and, of course, you *should*), that doesn't mean you've mastered riding. The riding course is just the beginning, its enough to get you going, but you will still be a *very* green, beginner rider after the course. I'd plan on sticking with the learner bike for as much as a year before moving up. I did, and zero regrets.
And then, at that time, you'll know MUCH more about what you want in a 'real' bike.
Good luck!
10-14-2005, 12:27 PM
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The R6 is not forgiving if you have a brain fart. I have been riding for about 5 years now. I have transitioned off the street and onto track riding/racing. You dont know what a bike is capable of until you've gone down the back straight at Road Atlanta (or seen someone wreck doing 140mph). Sportbikes are insanely fast and very unforgiving to new riders. I was in your same shoes 5 years ago. I bought a Ninja 250 (albeit new) and rode that for a year. I dont care what people say about that bike, it may not be the fastest, but you could throw that thing into a corner so easily and learn good riding technique, not just full throttle speed. I moved from that to Suzuki SV650(look at my icon/avatar picture..thats me!). I laid her down at Talladega doing about 60mph in a corner. It wasnt fun, it wasnt pretty, but I got up and walked away. **** happens. With bikes, there are those who have crashed and those who WILL crash. My advice:
1. Take the MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation Course)
2. Buy a used 600cc or less bike
3. BUY GOOD GEAR -- I cant emphasize this enough. Get a good helmet, riding jacket, boots, gloves, and preferrably a very thick set of jeans or cordura synthetic pants (leather is practical for everyday riding)
4. Once you get comfortable, try and do some track time. You can learn a LOT from track riding.
I used to love going to the N. Georgia Mtns to carve up some nice twisties, but now, I get all that out at the track where its SAFE and controlled. I miss street riding, but now i have the 8! Motorcycling is a wonderful thing, but the minute you disrespect your bike, it will disrespect you. OH..also, dont skimp on tires and make sure your suspension is set up right. Those are the only things keeping the rubber side down.
1. Take the MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation Course)
2. Buy a used 600cc or less bike
3. BUY GOOD GEAR -- I cant emphasize this enough. Get a good helmet, riding jacket, boots, gloves, and preferrably a very thick set of jeans or cordura synthetic pants (leather is practical for everyday riding)
4. Once you get comfortable, try and do some track time. You can learn a LOT from track riding.
I used to love going to the N. Georgia Mtns to carve up some nice twisties, but now, I get all that out at the track where its SAFE and controlled. I miss street riding, but now i have the 8! Motorcycling is a wonderful thing, but the minute you disrespect your bike, it will disrespect you. OH..also, dont skimp on tires and make sure your suspension is set up right. Those are the only things keeping the rubber side down.
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10-14-2005, 12:38 PM
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The new Susuki 600 is probably a better bike, especially if you aren't on the track every weekend.
Honda CBR 600r
Kawasaki Zx-6 or 6R
Suzuki GSXR 600
Yamaha R6
Actually, the Suzuki SV650 (maybe im a bit biased) is a great learning bike. It may be 650cc, but its a V-Twin and not a inline 4. Its a little torquier, but the power delivery isnt as abrupt at the higher RPMS of an I4 engine.
10-14-2005, 12:52 PM
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Oh yes, I agree that a new 600 for a new rider is completely moronic. I said that in an earlier post. I was simply saying that the R6 is not the best street 600 out now since its geometry is quite aggressive.
Personally, while the 250 route isn't a bad idea, I think going with an older 600 is a little bit better idea. Any of the 600's from 90-95 would be ideal. I like the CBR F2. I'm still riding mine!
My F2 after I took some Krylon to it:
Personally, while the 250 route isn't a bad idea, I think going with an older 600 is a little bit better idea. Any of the 600's from 90-95 would be ideal. I like the CBR F2. I'm still riding mine!
My F2 after I took some Krylon to it:
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10-14-2005, 01:00 PM
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I envy you
I have always wanted to ride but every ounce of my being is telling me to stay away
I have always wanted to ride but every ounce of my being is telling me to stay away
10-14-2005, 01:23 PM
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Well I doubt this video will do much to disuade an 18yr old from buying a bike...except maybe to build a 700whp Supra instead...
http://media.putfile.com/BradSupravsR1
http://media.putfile.com/BradSupravsR1
10-14-2005, 01:24 PM
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Crashing on the track isnt bad at all...so long as you low side and not high side. People think the track is more dangerous, but you have plenty of run off. Most people crash because they are too hot in a corner or too late on the brakes. If you are too hot in a corner you will most likely lowside, in which case you let go of the bike and slide across the gravel traps. You have to wear leathers, so you'll get up a bit bruised and your ego will be hurt. I only see people really getting hurt when they highside...thats when the bike loses traction, but then regains it and you get bucked off your bike like you are riding a bull...I've seen some people get a lot of air time before they come down..thats when **** breaks. Believe me, I'd rather break a few bones or slide through a gravel trap than hit a guard rail, roll off a cliff (seen it happen), or get hit by a car or worse, a MACK truck. Once you do a track day, you'll get addicted...thats how it always happens. I agree with Tuj, late mid to late 90's 600cc bikes are perfect. The F2 and F3 would be my choice from those days.
Also, any idiot can chop the throttle, do a wheelie or 100mph and think they are a bad ***. It takes talent to learn good riding lines, safe passing techniques, and carrying good corner speed. To me, THAT'S what sportbikes are meant for. Wheelies on the highway, thats evolution weeding out the retards while jacking up insurance rates (if your bike is track only, you dont need insurance by the way). You wanna see some sick riding, watch MotoGP or World Superbike races on Speed (usually Sundays or Tuesdays)...NASCAR doesnt have **** on MotoGP.
Also, any idiot can chop the throttle, do a wheelie or 100mph and think they are a bad ***. It takes talent to learn good riding lines, safe passing techniques, and carrying good corner speed. To me, THAT'S what sportbikes are meant for. Wheelies on the highway, thats evolution weeding out the retards while jacking up insurance rates (if your bike is track only, you dont need insurance by the way). You wanna see some sick riding, watch MotoGP or World Superbike races on Speed (usually Sundays or Tuesdays)...NASCAR doesnt have **** on MotoGP.
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10-14-2005, 01:37 PM
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Plus... Bikes is where my wife draws the line.
She leaves me alone with the sports cars and doesnt try to tell me what to buy so thats good enough for me.
I'll just have to live my Bike fantasy Vicariously through you guys :D
She leaves me alone with the sports cars and doesnt try to tell me what to buy so thats good enough for me.
I'll just have to live my Bike fantasy Vicariously through you guys :D