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8 Maniac 06-25-2010 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5 (Post 3614175)
Also people need to stop thinking that people can't cross shop because of price. Before I got the 8 I was cross shopping a 32k RX-8 vs a 48k used M3 , the only reason why I didn't get the M3 was due to the guy not coming down on the price of the M3. I could have paid for the 48k M3 , but I was not going to pay for a car that was only worth 43k at the time. Instead of the M3 maybe I should have been cross shopping 350Z,Evo's or WRX, not. As a enthusiast i could care less about price class. If I want it ,if the car moves my soul and heart , I will get it.

Most people don't. Not all, but enough of the market that it's not something to realistically expect as a company. I don't think there's any concern of the corvette losing any noteworthy amount of sales to the hyundai. The hyundai will be competing with the camaro, challenger, and mustang. None of those cars, in their stock form, is considered to be on par or real competition to the vette. All of those cars have a better chance of pulling sales from the vette than a hyundai will for a long while.

There are exceptions, but it's fairly rare to see anyone shopping between completely different price ranges.

tibyABv6 08-18-2010 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by 2tone (Post 3613544)
first attempt? they've had the tiburon for years. granted it sucks, but it is a coupe that they tried to say was sporty.

Tiburon is not a sports car but is is sporty. IF you have euro suspension package (03GT and 07-08 SE) then it handling is comparable with RSX-S (which is prety good for FWD car). It is 35% stiffer in torsional reginity then G35.

dillsrotary 08-18-2010 01:59 PM

^ holy hell man give it up

Triangle Man 08-18-2010 02:52 PM

The Genesis has a reasonably good chassis, but I hope for their sake that they've ironed out its problems, especially with the manual transmission and clutch. Hyundai overall has come a long way from where they were a few years ago, but on the Genesis they have a little ways to go, IMO. There is something wrong with your car if Detroit steel feels better built, more reliable and overall nicer. That said, give it some snappier suspension and polish it some more and that Genesis could get interesting.

Not commenting on the looks, though. That's too subjective. :P

tibyABv6 08-18-2010 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Triangle Man (Post 3679232)
The Genesis has a reasonably good chassis, but I hope for their sake that they've ironed out its problems, especially with the manual transmission and clutch. Hyundai overall has come a long way from where they were a few years ago, but on the Genesis they have a little ways to go, IMO. There is something wrong with your car if Detroit steel feels better built, more reliable and overall nicer. That said, give it some snappier suspension and polish it some more and that Genesis could get interesting.

Not commenting on the looks, though. That's too subjective. :P


Huynday have TSB for trany repair - Manual Transmission Gear Shift lever and Oil Replacement- to fix the problem.

With a completely new model in production there always will be some wrong.
As far as better built, more reliable, and overall nicer- that goes on personal opinion ... there are number of reviews going eather way.

Genesis has good suspension - identical layout to new M3 ...all it needs is better tires (as it comes with cheep tires even on track version).
The only reason new mustang shows slightly better stats in handling (96g VS. 94g Lateral acceleration) is because its tires are much wider and uses much better tire compound (255/40R19 VS. 225/40R19) .... even so gen is still more predictable, stable and more suited for the track then any of the muscle cars due to its superior suspension.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._v6_track.html

1st place: Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track
The only one that looks and feels like a sports car. Surprise, we liked it best.

2nd place: Ford Mustang V-6
New 3.7 is nearly as quick as last year's 4.6-liter V-8, and more fun to drive, too.

3rd place: Chevrolet Camaro RS
A quick coupe whose weight sacrifices fun and cartoonish cabin compromises comfort.

4th place: Dodge Challenger SE
A yacht trying to keep up with speedboats, but the ride and style are smooth.

Krazed_Rx8 08-18-2010 09:41 PM

Man the genesis is tempting.. pretty nice looking car. Might have to choose the genesis rather than the next Rx if Mazda doesn't step up their game.

Footman 08-18-2010 09:53 PM

Perhaps Mazda will shock the world if the suddenly announce that the next Rotary car is powered by a 16X Turbocharged 360 HP, MID-ENGINED 2-seater. With standard 6-speed or 6-speed Dual Clutch transmission. Weight = 2800 Lbs. Also engine is covered by 160,000 km / 8 year warranty!!!!

Of course, I am only dreaming.... RMR configuration for a mass production car... unlikely in these times.

pdxhak 08-18-2010 10:15 PM

I still do not trust Hyundai but this car looks good. IMO the trunk and door handles would look better red.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4096/...2fa74438_b.jpg

nycgps 08-18-2010 10:37 PM

my friend has a the turbo version.

very nice car imo.

5.0 V8 ? hmm ...

deadphoenix52 08-19-2010 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Footman (Post 3679756)
Perhaps Mazda will shock the world if the suddenly announce that the next Rotary car is powered by a 16X Turbocharged 360 HP, MID-ENGINED 2-seater. With standard 6-speed or 6-speed Dual Clutch transmission. Weight = 2800 Lbs. Also engine is covered by 160,000 km / 8 year warranty!!!!

Of course, I am only dreaming.... RMR configuration for a mass production car... unlikely in these times.

the current car is mid-engined...

DarkBrew 08-19-2010 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Footman (Post 3679756)
Perhaps Mazda will shock the world if the suddenly announce that the next Rotary car is powered by a 16X Turbocharged 360 HP, MID-ENGINED 2-seater. With standard 6-speed or 6-speed Dual Clutch transmission. Weight = 2800 Lbs. Also engine is covered by 160,000 km / 8 year warranty!!!!

Of course, I am only dreaming.... RMR configuration for a mass production car... unlikely in these times.

My dream goes like this.

Mazda follows through and the next Miata chassis comes in at 2200 lbs or so.
16X comes in at 300HP
New RX7-9 is based on the two above.
2200 lbs 2 seats and 300 HP.
Turbo option with 400HP?

Come on Mazda!

DocBeech 08-20-2010 01:13 AM

Looks to much like the eclipse for my liking. Good job on hyundai for building it though.

Mazmart 08-20-2010 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by DocBeech (Post 3681483)
Looks to much like the eclipse for my liking. Good job on hyundai for building it though.

I was just thinking; it looks like a Mitsubishi. I'm sure it's quick but definitely not going to be parked in my driveway.

Paul.

DarkBrew 08-20-2010 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by deadphoenix52 (Post 3680159)
the current car is mid-engined...

true say!

As long as weight distribution is near 50/50 and polar inertia is low the handling will benefit but it would be good to use a trans axle to maintain weight distribution as the cars get lighter.

Mazda will really need to step up their game to compete with these new challengers.

fuztupnz 08-20-2010 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by tibyABv6 (Post 3679473)
Genesis has good suspension - identical layout to new M3 ...all it needs is better tires (as it comes with cheep tires even on track version).

While this is a good attempt to defend the car, identical layout doesn't mean as good.

My old neon ACR had McPherson stut front and a rear multilink too. Doesn't mean it was up to par with an M3. What the components are made of, and more importantly the geometry and it's relation to the car are what make a car handle.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, not bashing you or the Genesis. I think Hyundai has come a very long way and they continue to improve. I hope the new version is fast and continues to grow up.

Razz1 08-20-2010 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5 (Post 3612716)
Americans will flock to it. And Hyundai will cut into Mustang, Camaro,

Challenger sales and even sad to say Corvette sales. Anybody looking at a Vette will think twice, a 2010 C6 with 430HP will set you back 55k large ones, without any options or suspension packages.

You sound very foolish by these statements.

People who buy Vettes are looking for a sports car and other things like handling and prestige.

You'll never get that from your Hundayi

dillsrotary 08-20-2010 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Razz1 (Post 3681973)
People who buy Vettes are looking for a sports car and other things like handling and prestige.

HA!

Razz i love reading your posts, sometimes I don't know if you're sarcastic or completely cracked out of your mind.


Keep it up!

tibyABv6 08-31-2010 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by fuztupnz (Post 3681862)
While this is a good attempt to defend the car, identical layout doesn't mean as good.

My old neon ACR had McPherson stut front and a rear multilink too. Doesn't mean it was up to par with an M3. What the components are made of, and more importantly the geometry and it's relation to the car are what make a car handle.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, not bashing you or the Genesis. I think Hyundai has come a very long way and they continue to improve. I hope the new version is fast and continues to grow up.


ok.... "same basic layout"

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...alkaround.html

Red Rex 09-01-2010 07:26 AM

Didn't everyone LOVE the Genesis coupe when it came out? Yet I hardly see any on the roads these days.

I doubt that Hyundai will "kill" the 5.0. Its a beast, and I HATE Mustangs. The Genesis is their first RWD sports car platform. I think they're biting off more than they can chew by going after the 5.0.

BTW even if they make a "better" car, do you really think all the die-hard Mustang guys are going to jump ship and haul ass to the Hyundai dealership? Nah.

tibyABv6 09-14-2010 02:03 PM

Seeing how Hyundai redesigning existing engines ...there will be no V8 in the coupe.

Both 2.oT and 3.8 will be GDI engines producing around 290hp and 350 hp (will be in US in 2012)....2.0 GDI is already in sonata (270 hp)

"The latest edition of the Lambda V-6 engine delivers more power while lowering fuel consumption and emissions. Featuring a 150-bar gasoline direct injection fuel system, Dual Continuously Variable Valve Timing (DCVVT), and an optimized low-weight crankshaft design and exotic coating technologies on the piston skirts, piston rings and tappets to reduce friction losses, the new 3.8L engine produces maximum power of 350hp—14.5% more than a comparable displacement engine equipped with MPI).

8 Maniac 09-14-2010 05:25 PM

Point is... they wont be able to directly compete with the mustang and win. They might be able to get more sales if they can hit a price point, but they aren't able to hit similar performance within a similar price range as the mustang.

freaklinkmusic 09-14-2010 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 3613093)
i like how a possible 5 liter genesis coupe with 429 hp is suddenly the same "performance" as a C-6

people just look for the HP number and go bananas. thats how they sell cars, apparently alot of people are already SOLD on the idea. lol. Those are just numbers. It will need lots of work done if it even wants to be spoke of in the same breathe as a vette, or even the new Mustang. Dropping and engine in an existing vehicle may only help with power/accel.


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