What a day and an SRT-4
06-27-2004, 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
The SRT-4 is quite formidable on an autox track.
The SRT-4 is quite formidable on an autox track.
06-27-2004, 10:43 PM
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Here's the results from the Cent Div autox I was at today, the winner of the FWD street tire class was an SRT-4, and it's PAX score was 5 secs faster than the one RX-8 out there. I know it doesn't prove anything when comparing it to the RX-8 since driver is such a huge factor, but at least it proves that the SRT-4 in a good drivers hand's can be a force in autox. It also won DS, but that's a badly dying division here in the Cen. Division.
http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/Solo/2004/Event3_fin.htm
http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/Solo/2004/Event3_fin.htm
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06-28-2004, 04:02 PM
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Re: Re: What a day and an SRT-4
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I raced one totally legally at Atco Raceway and got smoked. It was totally stock and I have an exhaust and the CZ1 was in.
I raced one totally legally at Atco Raceway and got smoked. It was totally stock and I have an exhaust and the CZ1 was in.
06-28-2004, 04:38 PM
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Dodge and Mopar saw the potential with the young fast and furious crowd and they are laughing all the way to the bank. It will smoke and RX8. Dodge SRT-4 is 215 H.P. at the wheels. That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal. The stage 2 kit is only $1500 dollars and offers 260 W.H.P. the stage 3 is not quite ready but will offer 300 W.H.P. The 8 only needs a small turbo and low boost to equal this though and is a much better car overall.
06-28-2004, 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by JimW
Dodge and Mopar saw the potential with the young fast and furious crowd and they are laughing all the way to the bank. It will smoke and RX8. Dodge SRT-4 is 215 H.P. at the wheels. That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal. The stage 2 kit is only $1500 dollars and offers 260 W.H.P. the stage 3 is not quite ready but will offer 300 W.H.P. The 8 only needs a small turbo and low boost to equal this though and is a much better car overall.
Dodge and Mopar saw the potential with the young fast and furious crowd and they are laughing all the way to the bank. It will smoke and RX8. Dodge SRT-4 is 215 H.P. at the wheels. That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal. The stage 2 kit is only $1500 dollars and offers 260 W.H.P. the stage 3 is not quite ready but will offer 300 W.H.P. The 8 only needs a small turbo and low boost to equal this though and is a much better car overall.
06-28-2004, 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by Seenitall
The SRT-4 may not be my choice, but you have to give Chysler credit for putting this car on the market. If all the manufacturers were as creative, we all would be a lot better off.
The SRT-4 may not be my choice, but you have to give Chysler credit for putting this car on the market. If all the manufacturers were as creative, we all would be a lot better off.
06-28-2004, 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by JimW
That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal.
That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal.
06-28-2004, 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by JimW
Dodge and Mopar saw the potential with the young fast and furious crowd and they are laughing all the way to the bank. It will smoke and RX8. Dodge SRT-4 is 215 H.P. at the wheels. That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal. The stage 2 kit is only $1500 dollars and offers 260 W.H.P. the stage 3 is not quite ready but will offer 300 W.H.P. The 8 only needs a small turbo and low boost to equal this though and is a much better car overall.
Dodge and Mopar saw the potential with the young fast and furious crowd and they are laughing all the way to the bank. It will smoke and RX8. Dodge SRT-4 is 215 H.P. at the wheels. That's the way Dodge measured it. They have Staged upgrades 1-2 and 3 directly from Mopar although it's not covered under warranty or emissions legal. The stage 2 kit is only $1500 dollars and offers 260 W.H.P. the stage 3 is not quite ready but will offer 300 W.H.P. The 8 only needs a small turbo and low boost to equal this though and is a much better car overall.
Lastly your comment about the RX-8 only needing a small turbo is baselass and pure speculation. So far it seems the RX-8 is not an easy turbo application to do, and it also may be tough to get large gains from doing so. Find me one reliable turbo application that's been done so far on the RX-8 where they are running 12s or dynoing at 300whp and I'll believe your statement.
06-28-2004, 10:35 PM
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Find me one reliable turbo application that's been done so far on the RX-8 where they are running 12s or dynoing at 300whp and I'll believe your statement.
Find me one reliable turbo application that's been done so far on the RX-8 where they are running 12s or dynoing at 300whp and I'll believe your statement.
06-28-2004, 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by zoom44
you + about a thousand other people on this board are waiting to see that
you + about a thousand other people on this board are waiting to see that
07-06-2004, 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
I'd like to see it, it just bugs me when people are like "oh just throw a turbo on it and it'll be better/faster than blah blah blah". It just isn't that easy.
I'd like to see it, it just bugs me when people are like "oh just throw a turbo on it and it'll be better/faster than blah blah blah". It just isn't that easy.
07-07-2004, 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by JimW
I do not need a basis to prove anything to you or anyone else and never said anything about being easy or hard. If it bugs you, then don't read the damn threads. You don't have to reply either. I'm only using a (comparison) as if it had a turbo, or if one becomes available. If the RX8 has 238 H.P.and additional forced induction, it shouldn't be unrealistic to think it could match the power of and SRT-4. Now do me a favor and move away from that second banana behind you, in your avatar!
I do not need a basis to prove anything to you or anyone else and never said anything about being easy or hard. If it bugs you, then don't read the damn threads. You don't have to reply either. I'm only using a (comparison) as if it had a turbo, or if one becomes available. If the RX8 has 238 H.P.and additional forced induction, it shouldn't be unrealistic to think it could match the power of and SRT-4. Now do me a favor and move away from that second banana behind you, in your avatar!
2.) The 04 RX-8 has about 170-180 WHP (I.E. 238 hp my butt)
3.) You have proved nothing all you have done is make some speculative statements that have no factual evidence to back them up.
4.) If and when a turbo kit for the RX-8 is produced for about 5-6k you can get a car that might compete in a straight line with an SRT-4 with a $50 boost controller. <---- Speculation
5.) Try not to compare something that does exist with something that doesn't from now on.
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
1.) The 04 SRT-4 has about 230-240 WHP
2.) The 04 RX-8 has about 170-180 WHP (I.E. 238 hp my ***)
3.) You have proved nothing all you have done is make some speculative statements that have no factual evidence to back them up.
4.) If and when a turbo kit for the RX-8 is produced for about 5-6k you can get a car that might compete in a straight line with an SRT-4 with a $50 boost controller. <---- Speculation
5.) Try not to compare something that does exist with something that doesn't from now on.
1.) The 04 SRT-4 has about 230-240 WHP
2.) The 04 RX-8 has about 170-180 WHP (I.E. 238 hp my ***)
3.) You have proved nothing all you have done is make some speculative statements that have no factual evidence to back them up.
4.) If and when a turbo kit for the RX-8 is produced for about 5-6k you can get a car that might compete in a straight line with an SRT-4 with a $50 boost controller. <---- Speculation
5.) Try not to compare something that does exist with something that doesn't from now on.
07-07-2004, 11:18 AM
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Bickering match? It's a discussion about cars... What exactly did I say that would be offensive to your kids, besides maybe the word donkey???
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07-07-2004, 11:21 AM
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the word "***" and simply-if this was in person I doubt it could be referred to as a "discussion" I am done- I am not going to be sucked into an arguement with you- those are for my kids
07-07-2004, 12:31 PM
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Fixed just for your kids :D
On a side note, the overly hyper politically correct expectations of our society is starting to drive me batty. My brother got a call from daycare last week because some parents called to compalin about my 4 year old nephew using the word poop around their children. They told him "poop is a potty word, and potty words aren't allowed".
On a side note, the overly hyper politically correct expectations of our society is starting to drive me batty. My brother got a call from daycare last week because some parents called to compalin about my 4 year old nephew using the word poop around their children. They told him "poop is a potty word, and potty words aren't allowed".
07-07-2004, 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
Fixed just for your kids :D
On a side note, the overly hyper politically correct expectations of our society is starting to drive me batty. My brother got a call from daycare last week because some parents called to compalin about my 4 year old nephew using the word poop around their children. They told him "poop is a potty word, and potty words aren't allowed".
Fixed just for your kids :D
On a side note, the overly hyper politically correct expectations of our society is starting to drive me batty. My brother got a call from daycare last week because some parents called to compalin about my 4 year old nephew using the word poop around their children. They told him "poop is a potty word, and potty words aren't allowed".
07-07-2004, 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
1.) The 04 SRT-4 has about 230-240 WHP...I agree
2.) The 04 RX-8 has about 170-180 WHP (I.E. 238 hp my butt)... I can only go by what Mazda advertises. and you can't get and accurate dyno measurement with this car, especially without a chasis dyno.
3.) You have proved nothing all you have done is make some speculative statements that have no factual evidence to back them up... That is because I have nothing to prove. I never said I have or know of a FI RX8 that has 300 WHP. I only stated my opinion, that if it were turbo it can get this kind of power. This isn't the technical section, so opinions should be allowed.
4.) If and when a turbo kit for the RX-8 is produced for about 5-6k you can get a car that might compete in a straight line with an SRT-4 with a $50 boost controller. <---- Speculation... Maybe, or you might not need one at all. I'm not knocking the SRT-4, I happen to think it's a terrific bargain for it's performance output, but if you take the turbo off the car, do you think it's going to have 238 H.P. at the crank?
5.) Try not to compare something that does exist with something that doesn't from now on.
1.) The 04 SRT-4 has about 230-240 WHP...I agree
2.) The 04 RX-8 has about 170-180 WHP (I.E. 238 hp my butt)... I can only go by what Mazda advertises. and you can't get and accurate dyno measurement with this car, especially without a chasis dyno.
3.) You have proved nothing all you have done is make some speculative statements that have no factual evidence to back them up... That is because I have nothing to prove. I never said I have or know of a FI RX8 that has 300 WHP. I only stated my opinion, that if it were turbo it can get this kind of power. This isn't the technical section, so opinions should be allowed.
4.) If and when a turbo kit for the RX-8 is produced for about 5-6k you can get a car that might compete in a straight line with an SRT-4 with a $50 boost controller. <---- Speculation... Maybe, or you might not need one at all. I'm not knocking the SRT-4, I happen to think it's a terrific bargain for it's performance output, but if you take the turbo off the car, do you think it's going to have 238 H.P. at the crank?
5.) Try not to compare something that does exist with something that doesn't from now on.
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your all right........- I guess it comes down to this- a knife is a knife!- where as a rusty axe will chop steak faster than a beautifull 9 inch Wusthof-Trident Chef knife- I will stick with the Chef knife it is all about taste baby!!!! 
it is all about taste baby!!!!
07-07-2004, 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by JimW
Hey Ike, I'm just kidding you about the banana joke. Don't take it seriously although it was bad taste. I'm sorry I do not agree with you. Nobody's on the witness stand. Today's dreams do not become tomorrows realities with that philosophy.
Hey Ike, I'm just kidding you about the banana joke. Don't take it seriously although it was bad taste. I'm sorry I do not agree with you. Nobody's on the witness stand. Today's dreams do not become tomorrows realities with that philosophy.
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Originally posted by Kain
your all right........- I guess it comes down to this- a knife is a knife!- where as a rusty axe will chop steak faster than a beautifull 9 inch Wusthof-Trident Chef knife- I will stick with the Chef knife it is all about taste baby!!!!
your all right........- I guess it comes down to this- a knife is a knife!- where as a rusty axe will chop steak faster than a beautifull 9 inch Wusthof-Trident Chef knife- I will stick with the Chef knife
it is all about taste baby!!!!
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
My basic point was that we just don't know. There are plenty of examples of cars out there that get FI added to an NA engine and they just aren't that impressive. I hope you're right about the RX-8 eventually having a good turbo kit that produces insane numbers, but as of now no one really knows. But as of now in stock form the SRT-4 is way underrated and the RX-8 appears to be a bit overrated so going by manufacturer hp claims is a bit deceiving in this case. It also appears that people thus far are having a hell of a time adding FI to the renesis. I'm not trying to have a flame war here, just discussing cars which is something I love to do.
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My basic point was that we just don't know. There are plenty of examples of cars out there that get FI added to an NA engine and they just aren't that impressive. I hope you're right about the RX-8 eventually having a good turbo kit that produces insane numbers, but as of now no one really knows. But as of now in stock form the SRT-4 is way underrated and the RX-8 appears to be a bit overrated so going by manufacturer hp claims is a bit deceiving in this case. It also appears that people thus far are having a hell of a time adding FI to the renesis. I'm not trying to have a flame war here, just discussing cars which is something I love to do.
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Originally posted by Kain
your all right........- I guess it comes down to this- a knife is a knife!- where as a rusty axe will chop steak faster than a beautifull 9 inch Wusthof-Trident Chef knife- I will stick with the Chef knife it is all about taste baby!!!!
your all right........- I guess it comes down to this- a knife is a knife!- where as a rusty axe will chop steak faster than a beautifull 9 inch Wusthof-Trident Chef knife- I will stick with the Chef knife
it is all about taste baby!!!!
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
The Grand Prix blows the Trident away, it does the 1/4 mile .3 seconds faster due to it's aerdynamic nature! I guess we could call the SRT-4 the ginsu on the car world, gets the job done, is cheap, and seemingly durable
The Grand Prix blows the Trident away, it does the 1/4 mile .3 seconds faster due to it's aerdynamic nature! I guess we could call the SRT-4 the ginsu on the car world, gets the job done, is cheap, and seemingly durable
away! a ginsu though!!! thanx for making me laugh out loud this afternoon a nice break from all the coding I have to do today