Voluntary Mazdaspeeed6 Recall
07-26-2006, 05:31 PM
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It appears this reflash effects the fuel map, ignition timing, and even boost levels.
The debate is still out whether or not it is a "positive" change. Many owners report it makes the car "faster" while a small number report it feels slower after the flash.
More information on the reflash @
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?t=5055
The debate is still out whether or not it is a "positive" change. Many owners report it makes the car "faster" while a small number report it feels slower after the flash.
More information on the reflash @
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?t=5055
07-27-2006, 11:06 PM
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New MS6 guy here. I'm all over that baby. The car I am leasing doesn't have 274hp as of right now I can definitely say that. Just maybe the car they tested against the Legacy GT will now be as fast or a bit faster likek it should be. I'm all for this reflash, but I'll wait until it's oil change time. Thanks for the very useful info. Much appreciated. 
07-28-2006, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
yeah it would suck to have a powerloss problem solved
07-28-2006, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by VikingDJ
New MS6 guy here. I'm all over that baby. The car I am leasing doesn't have 274hp as of right now I can definitely say that. Just maybe the car they tested against the Legacy GT will now be as fast or a bit faster likek it should be. I'm all for this reflash, but I'll wait until it's oil change time. Thanks for the very useful info. Much appreciated.
I bet what you're feeling more than anything is the fact that the car runs out of steam after 5500ish. I think how an engine and exhaust sounds can have an impact on how fast a car feels as well. The exhaust and engine note on the MS6 is pitiful, especially compared to a boxer rumble.
07-28-2006, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ZoomZoomH
boxer rumble sounds horrible, imo
rode in a friend's stock STi, he was gunning it pretty good and i just couldn't STAND the sound of that thing, horrible, horrible painful sound compared to the RENESIS whirl!
rode in a friend's stock STi, he was gunning it pretty good and i just couldn't STAND the sound of that thing, horrible, horrible painful sound compared to the RENESIS whirl!
07-28-2006, 01:02 PM
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The Mazdaspeed 6 was designed to run on 93 octane fuel. States that dont have 93 octane reported the power loss issue. We noticed this is California at the ride and drive. Many vehicles lost power as a result of timing retard due to pinging. The reason the car will feel faster is it wont constantly be rearding timing.
07-28-2006, 01:41 PM
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Powerloss will still occur under knocking or pinging situations...it'll just occur less often after the reflash.
Owners running 94 octane in canada (low ambient temps) have had the powerloss occur pre-flash, so its not just an octane issue.
I do however agree with more octane = better...many owners report drastic increases in performance running a tank of 100...I can only imagine the charge temps this car is seeing from the intercooler ducting design.
I also wouldn't even consider buying this car in california =/.
Owners running 94 octane in canada (low ambient temps) have had the powerloss occur pre-flash, so its not just an octane issue.
I do however agree with more octane = better...many owners report drastic increases in performance running a tank of 100...I can only imagine the charge temps this car is seeing from the intercooler ducting design.
I also wouldn't even consider buying this car in california =/.
07-28-2006, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
The power loss is VERY noticeable and isn't always present. What you're feeling is pretty much what the car is and will be even after the flash. When the powerloss happens it will make the car feel like it has the accelerative qualities of a Yugo. After the flash it may feel a tiny bit faster or slower, but honestly I think that's due to the faulty butt dynos of the owners. Some have even reported there being less boost in 1st gear.
I bet what you're feeling more than anything is the fact that the car runs out of steam after 5500ish. I think how an engine and exhaust sounds can have an impact on how fast a car feels as well. The exhaust and engine note on the MS6 is pitiful, especially compared to a boxer rumble.
I bet what you're feeling more than anything is the fact that the car runs out of steam after 5500ish. I think how an engine and exhaust sounds can have an impact on how fast a car feels as well. The exhaust and engine note on the MS6 is pitiful, especially compared to a boxer rumble.
Well you are right in a one dimensional way of thinking. You have to do what you do with the RX8 when driving this car. It has some nice power, superb looks great standard features, nice interior, and still has some very respectable power. The car is underpowered against the STi no doubt, but what Im feeling is the common heavier less hp downgrade going from a stage 1 STi to a bone stock MS6. This car doesn't do what you describe until after 5500rpms, which is what it's supposed to do. It hasn't bogged on me at all yet unless I were to rev it, which is not what it's meant to do. The power arrives quiickly, making it a very easy car to go fast in, even at lower rpms. The STI, you still had to rev up to really get that massive HP, although it was a lot more fun.
If performance is all that matters, then it's understandable why people will overlook an MS6 in comparison to an STI or EVO, or hell even a Legacy GT, because there's more mod potential there. As far as a daily driver/work car, this thing is fabulous. I'll never buy it, but I don't mind having this for two years, and an S2000 that's equally as fun as the STI in driving, and is a true original built sports car. If the STI or another 300+hp Subaru is nice enough in 2008, and gains a ton of respect for it's sexy looks inside and out, I'm there.
07-28-2006, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by VikingDJ
Well you are right in a one dimensional way of thinking. You have to do what you do with the RX8 when driving this car. It has some nice power, superb looks great standard features, nice interior, and still has some very respectable power. The car is underpowered against the STi no doubt, but what Im feeling is the common heavier less hp downgrade going from a stage 1 STi to a bone stock MS6. This car doesn't do what you describe until after 5500rpms, which is what it's supposed to do. It hasn't bogged on me at all yet unless I were to rev it, which is not what it's meant to do. The power arrives quiickly, making it a very easy car to go fast in, even at lower rpms. The STI, you still had to rev up to really get that massive HP, although it was a lot more fun.
If performance is all that matters, then it's understandable why people will overlook an MS6 in comparison to an STI or EVO, or hell even a Legacy GT, because there's more mod potential there. As far as a daily driver/work car, this thing is fabulous. I'll never buy it, but I don't mind having this for two years, and an S2000 that's equally as fun as the STI in driving, and is a true original built sports car. If the STI or another 300+hp Subaru is nice enough in 2008, and gains a ton of respect for it's sexy looks inside and out, I'm there.
If performance is all that matters, then it's understandable why people will overlook an MS6 in comparison to an STI or EVO, or hell even a Legacy GT, because there's more mod potential there. As far as a daily driver/work car, this thing is fabulous. I'll never buy it, but I don't mind having this for two years, and an S2000 that's equally as fun as the STI in driving, and is a true original built sports car. If the STI or another 300+hp Subaru is nice enough in 2008, and gains a ton of respect for it's sexy looks inside and out, I'm there.
07-29-2006, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Ike
That's why I said you're not experiencing power loss issues. The car is most likely driving like it's supposed to. If you had the power loss issue you'd know it. It's also quite likely that your car already has the fix. The STI also runs out of steam up top, just not as soon as the MS6 does. It's just the nature of having more displacement and a smaller turbo. The Evo on the otherhand is a rocket all the way to redline, I've bounced off the rev limiter a couple times because the cars is still pulling hard. Some people with highly modded Evos raise their fuel cut to 10,000ish, some even go beyond that.
It's just gonna take a while to get used to the performance downgrade for me. The smoother, quieter ride, much better sound system (and other creature comforts), and slightly better gas mileage helps ease the pain a bit for me. I'm just still too used to the night and day different power delivery of the STI. The STI pulled nicely and just kind of tapers off to redline, but naturally unlike the EVO it said NO MAS. The redline on the MS6 is only 300rpms lower, but the power drop off is not nearly as apparent in the STI. The STI slowly runs out of steam, but it's revving so fast you better pay attention before your shift to take real notice. This MS6 is much more abrupt in it's " running out of steam up top". The stage 1 did a remarkable upgrade in performance. When I removed it, I really felt the difference, and power loss. It adds some power up top, but you are right, it still runs out of steam with that bigger displacement and smaller turbo. Still though, just the Cobb AP alone really added some nice hp and torque.
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07-29-2006, 02:59 AM
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To fix the suddden power loss issue
I wonder...
07-31-2006, 07:30 AM
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The MPS 6 was basically the test bed for the rest of the lineup...just like the original mazda 6 was. The other cars using the same engine shouldn't have any issues, now that mazda successfully used about 20,000 owners as beta testers.
08-02-2006, 01:40 PM
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I have owned the MS6 for about a month after Mazda did a buyback on the RX-8. The MS6 has massive torque down low and much quciker acceleration through 60. However, I REALLY miss the scream of the Rotary and the power all the way to the rev limiter. It took me a couple of weeks to get used to changing gears so quickly and power drops of at 5500-6000rpm. I think Mazda needs to re-tune the car to allow the power to be spread across the rev range.
I have experienced the boost cut issue and I will be doing the recall very soon. All in all a great car NOT as fun as the RX-8 though.
I have experienced the boost cut issue and I will be doing the recall very soon. All in all a great car NOT as fun as the RX-8 though.