Update for Feb 17ths hearing. Both Republicans and Democrats have teamed together to fight the EPA. Kind of an unusual thing to hear that both sides are working together for one goal but here it is:

"It was a bipartisan pileup as Republicans and Democrats joined the chorus denouncing the environmental agency. As the overreaching EPA impact settles in on us, it's costing us jobs, it's putting us in a very perilous situation. The resolution easily cleared the Senate, Natural Resources, and Energy Committee. It now heads to the full Senate."

The EPA is loosing more and more ground every day. The current budget talks it looks like the EPA will be loosing 1/3 of its funding. Now state by state laws are being passed this week which keep the EPA out of the loop hole. Kentucky was the first, they passed a law that no longer allows the EPA to regulate coal mining and the clean water act. Texas has multiple bills including protection from energy taxes, and the clean air act. If this keeps up at this pace the EPA will be nothing more than another activist group. Which it seems like they are since they are still unable to produce scientists and good viable research for all the laws they imposed.

ooosh !

just not sure if NY would follow, since we have the biggest idiots running the State and Cities.

I don't understand a thing guys, how is it possible for an "agency" like the EPA to mandate laws? I'm not particularly aware of your system.

Thats the whole point, they legally weren't supposed to but they did.

"Do it the american way"!

Hope they remove the Ethanol BS. I want GAS in my tank and only GAS. not food, not some overpriced garbage that will slowly poison me to death.

exactly.

Check it.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...-damage-engine

Im sure more lawsuits are to follow.

the problem i see is stupid congress, which is a bunch of politicians not scientist, "MANDATED" that they have to blend 15 billion gallons of garbage into the gas by 2015.

Now EPA is so happy to "follow" this but then Congress again said no they don't have the power to do that.

hmm ... so how is that even gonna work.

and I really doubt they will give us an "option" to pick between E0-E15 or even E20. I mean if they really give us that option (yea I must be dreaming) who on their right mind would even want any Ethanol bs ? Won't that option kill themselves in the end ?

and look how the price of corn has gone up.
why not just do high test pure gas and satisfy everyone?
I may have said this already--but locally, actual ethanol content is 7-18% at top tier stations.
OD

Well, if the gas got cheaper as the concentration of ethanol went up, then the market would drive itself and everything would be just fine. People would make their own choices based on economics.
Hell, I'd put the cheap stuff in my beater.

But that can't happen since ethanol is more expensive than gasoline, even with the subsidy, which is why it is subsidized in the first place.

If ethanol was such a great idea, the market would drive its success.

well said.

damn, why can't Ethanol just die already. its a total waste of time & money.

Scientist > Politicians

EPA can go suck it.

Good news:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/22/r...lock-e15-fuel/

better news would have been total abolition, but that's a pipe dream.

at what cost? 5 bux a gallon for something that has more poisonous emission, ultra suck energy count, burns out food, and the worst is it cost more ?

No thanks.

I want to smack those ass who promote Ethanol.

Awesome... ethanol is the solution!

of course, thanks to our dumb president. he signs whatever the other politicians told him to sign. (notice, NOT scientist)

increase Ethanol production ... *sigh*

Yay we are killing ourselves ! YAY !

I wonder what is in this stuff, I will have to find the msds sheet.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

Interesting Article

http://www.goldeagle.com/UserFiles/f...icle%20PSL.pdf

^^the water mark gave me a headache, can't read it.

Something about Fuel additives ?

If you ever want to know if the additive you use for cleaning your engine has ehtanol here is the chart http://www.fuel-testers.com/is_gas_a..._e10_list.html

Red Line fuel system cleaner is not there :(

I used that before.

Also Prestone Complete fuel system cleaner (but I have a feeling its gonna one of those sucky ones, but I got it for free so can't complain that)

Bad news :

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=21124

*sigh*

welcome to the world of fuxk ups !

Actually it is California.

And the biggest idiot just left. Arnold.

Butt... now we have the KING of Global Warming!

Jerry Brown.

hmm , well the term

"GO GREEN" works for everybody. Who doesn't want to go Green. I mean I like it. but sadly most idiots have no idea what is the "real" meaning of Go Green.

Ethanol is NOT one of them.

This is stupid:
Wasn't it said in the hearings that the EPA has no right to do so?