Hmmm, good to know. I wonder what effect it would have on premix. I will have to buy some and do an experiment.

Meh, look who is promoting that video. I'm not buying it.

I'm just wondering how they got the ECU to understand how to squirt something like 50% more fuel since it wasn't built as E85 for 85%ethanol.

If I had a retro vehicle that I was rebuilding, I'd up the compression to about 16 to 1, and enjoy E85, but they are trying to sell us on the wonders of E85 so we should like E10 in cars with 9-10 to 1 compression ratio; that's too big a stretch.

What's the big deal. Everyone slows down together. Think of it as using SAE measurement. It overall reduces every car's hp output. :grouphug:

I don't think I can even tell power decrease with my Scanguage II on the track.

The point is: gas mileage goes down about the same amount as the # of ethanol in the fuel, all the resources polluting, ruining food prices, etc. is a complete waste, and sometimes the E10 is not stable, causes corrosion, etc.

Like I said, E85 would be a great fuel as long as the car had at least 15 to 1 compression, but the E10 or E15 doesn't work.

They should use all the ethanol in E85, and market it as a racers edge like in drag racing.

No they do not premix it. They add the ethanol from a seperate tank in the vehicle after they add the fuel. So they just dump it in on top of the fuel.

BSE, I think all 95 octane in Europe already have 10% Ethanol? I may be wrong...

Atleast in sweden all 95 Octane has 10% Ethanol if you want 0% ethanol you have to buy 98 or special fuel as V-Power, Aspen etc.

I don't think we have ethanol here but we'll surely have to imitate the "smart" US sooner or later, as always.

Isent it an EU law with the E10 for 95 Octane? im probably remember it wrong..

Anyhow V-Power is free from Ethanol thank god.

I'm doing some research, there's not a single station that says about this ethanol crap.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...42:0046:EN:PDF
It just says that some countries use it and the max allowed is 5% (and this would explain why my old Corolla pings, lol.

I'm hating all this stuff anyway. First i have to work on my Ferrari to keep it working efficiently with unleaded fuel, then this ethanol crap.
We should buy cheap racing fuels lol http://www.pantaracingfuel.it/

The Department of Energy already states they don't approve of any ethanol being used in engines of any size. The don't feel vehicles are capable of handling the changes made by the ethanol. If your looking at octane, wear of components, or even the temperature changes it causes. So for me if the DOE says its not good for your car, well I believe them. If anyone knows about engine wear and the affects of fuel its people whos sole job is generating power.

E85 has problems of its own. Its self life is greatly reduced and water contamination is a real problem. Sorry I rather have real pure gas for street use.
If anyone is racing using E85 then they are probably not buying it from the pump.
I am seriously considering using vp gas on track. We now have a dealer in town.

ITs just sad that EPA does not listen to DoE and pursuit E15 on its own.

Who cares if it messes up your engine/fuel line/whatever that you have to buy a new car/replace the parts more often which generates more green house gas ? who cares if it gives you PoS mpg which means more re-fills & more burning ?? who cares that it takes more energy to produce these useless crap ? who cares if its nothing but a failed industry we just have to keep pumpin' them cash to keep it float ?

That's exactly how this dumb government works these days. sad.

because that video is full of shit.

You can get any results you want from any test ---- You just have to set the right "rules"

I love those "fake" comments found in that Video. Wow. they really paid a lot of people to make those comments.

lol when I took my 427 engine apart to replace the crankshaft, cam shafts, piston rings, and valve springs it didn't look like that. The piston heads were much cleaner. I didn't look at the entire video, but if his valves looked like his heads did then thats not impressive to me. My engine inside wasn't nearly that bad.

The video was far from scientific. It did not test two identical vehicles under identical conditions in a controlled environment where they could draw proper conclusions.

I spoke to an engineer friend from our favorite manufacturer (Starts with an M) last night and this topic came up. He did mention the ill effects of ethanol in cars that weren't designed for it's usage. They had to create new parts in Japan to handle 'crap' that they had no issues with in any other country.

Paul.

They did down under...!

If enough people petition it a law can be changed. I am looking into the process for having a petition signed for dallas that would force the allowance of E0 fuels in the city.

nycgps,

well yeah, They couldn't explain the glaring question of how they got that much ethanol through the fuel system.

I guess i'm not cynical enough to beat on liars; I need to up my game.

Can I sign that petition? even tho I don't live there ?

I wonder if I can do the same for NYC ? but I seriously doubt an a-hole like Bloomberg will even cared.

Another datapoint:

Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL) is responsible for certifying gasoline pumps. Their certification for ALL pumping systems that are commercially available stops at exactly 10% ethanol. (Except for the pumps that are specifically certified for E85.)
If you discover pumping stations with ethanol content even a fraction above 10%, they are violating their certification. The local agencies would be, I'd think, interested in hearing about that.
If not, consumer protection groups might and they are the most effective way to get compliance.

Interesting.


Oh, and I took a pic of the pumps at Walmart that they say contain no Ethanol. I didn't see anything about Ethanol or being oxygenated, etc.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9krpmrx8/5404526165/

I swear i saw something (at least in NYC) at the pump that its illegal to pump gas into a container.

so how am I gonna test the Ethanol count ? >_<

*sigh* I hate this :(

Illegal into an unapproved container.

Then test it and burn them 9K :P