Saw a Mazdaspeed 3 @ the dealership
11-04-2006, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by CarAndDriver
Dont really think one should judge the MS6 on the Zoom Zoom Live cars. Those things have been thrashed beyond recognition and were driving like crap.
IMO as a Mazdaspeed 6 owner, it lacks a lot of fun factor, especially when comparing it to the likes of compacts mentioned, and various coupes and roadsters. The Legacy GT is more fun to drive IMO as well. Of course I don't care at all because it's my daily driver, it looks fabulous inside and out, and is very comfortable. I have an S2000 for fun. I have driven a regular Mazda 3 hatch and it already has more fun appeal to me, but it's just not very powerful. I'm sure the Speed 3 is a much better car in the fun factor of driving for most people.
This is subjective, but the Speed 6 is more of a luxury car then an enthusiast car IMO. It's simply gonna take a beating in an enthusiast state of mind because it's really not all that much of an enthusiast car to most. It's also selling now for $21-22kk (Sport Model), because there is essentially no demand. Go beyond an enthusiast passion and look at the car for what it offers as a daily driver, the price, the good power and decent handling for it's size and weight, and it's a superb machine all the way across the boards. I can see though why it's failing, because it's really lacking a lot from a pure enthusiast standpoint, and it was expected to be more then it is performance wise.
11-04-2006, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Astral
This is so true, and this is why I would never rule out an FWD car. My Mazda Protege had fantastic roadfeel: the steering screamed with feedback! Sure, my RX-8 would outhandle it all day long, but my Protege was still tons of fun to drive as a result. Since I don't really go to the track, the thing I most care about is the fun to drive factor.
In fact, the RX-8 has a more numb feel through the steering wheel that the Protege (of course, the RX-8 still communicates plenty of feedback). Unfortunately, it seems to be a direction that Mazda is going in: the customers want "more refined" steering, that is: more numb.
I was disappointed in driving the Mazda3: it was noticeably number than my Protege, which is why I was never going to buy one, despite a better engine and a fancier interior.
So I really really hope that the Mazdaspeed3 steps up the game and gives us that sharp Miata-like feedback. But my hopes are low.
(From what I've heard, the new 3rd gen NC Miata also has more muted feedback, compared to NA/NB Miatas, but I've never driven the NA/NB Miatas, so I can't compare.)
In fact, the RX-8 has a more numb feel through the steering wheel that the Protege (of course, the RX-8 still communicates plenty of feedback). Unfortunately, it seems to be a direction that Mazda is going in: the customers want "more refined" steering, that is: more numb.
I was disappointed in driving the Mazda3: it was noticeably number than my Protege, which is why I was never going to buy one, despite a better engine and a fancier interior.
So I really really hope that the Mazdaspeed3 steps up the game and gives us that sharp Miata-like feedback. But my hopes are low.
(From what I've heard, the new 3rd gen NC Miata also has more muted feedback, compared to NA/NB Miatas, but I've never driven the NA/NB Miatas, so I can't compare.)
I agree 110% with everthing you said. I traded in our NB Miata for the RX8. I still miss the Miata, IMO it was more fun to drive. I drove a friends P5 that thing was blast to drive.
I'm sure that the MS3 will also be a blast to drive, don't know about the torque steer though.
11-04-2006, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by VikingDJ
This is subjective, but the Speed 6 is more of a luxury car then an enthusiast car IMO. It's simply gonna take a beating in an enthusiast state of mind because it's really not all that much of an enthusiast car to most. It's also selling now for $21-22kk (Sport Model), because there is essentially no demand. Go beyond an enthusiast passion and look at the car for what it offers as a daily driver, the price, the good power and decent handling for it's size and weight, and it's a superb machine all the way across the boards. I can see though why it's failing, because it's really lacking a lot from a pure enthusiast standpoint, and it was expected to be more then it is performance wise.
11-05-2006, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rodrigo67
an RSX beat 10 RX8's at the grand am cup in virginia this year and the cobalt SS turned in a 1 sec difference on a 3 minute 19 sec lap behind the RX8. It's getting obvious that todays FWD's are more then capable of keeping up with RWD's.
Note, both FWD cars are rated at less hp then the 8, making a even better showing...
Note, both FWD cars are rated at less hp then the 8, making a even better showing...
11-07-2006, 06:43 PM
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Well the MS3 has a decent ratio
MS3= 1432 kg, 263 hp, 280 ft/lbs
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Rx8= 1389 kg, 232 hp, 159 ft/lbs
Giving up 43 kg (which for the US brethren= 94.6 lbs) with the extra power.... makes me seriously consider swapping my Rx8 lease for a MS3..(snowboarding season is coming up quick here)
MS3= 1432 kg, 263 hp, 280 ft/lbs
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Rx8= 1389 kg, 232 hp, 159 ft/lbs
Giving up 43 kg (which for the US brethren= 94.6 lbs) with the extra power.... makes me seriously consider swapping my Rx8 lease for a MS3..(snowboarding season is coming up quick here)
Originally Posted by khtm
HP rating means squat. HP to weight ratio is what's important. Look at the Elise
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