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09-12-2004, 01:48 AM
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ok i got a little story thats pretty fun you guys might get a kick out of it
so im driving home from a friends house its about 10 guy in a 350z teenager prolly 17. So he gets behind me ands tarts tail gating me bad reving and stuff so we get to a light he leans out hjsi window i lean out to see what he wants and he says yo dawg lets run i knew about 2 lights up their was a cup always sitting in this perfect spot thats at an angle becuase its a residentiall area crossing a highway and speed limit goes from 45-35-25 so i tell him ok in a couple lights because then the two lane raod spilts into a merge lane so i get upt o the light i rev a little he sits their reving badly blazing rap light tunrs gereen SCREECH he bolts i sit their not moving one inch by the time he sees i didnt move he prolyl at like 65 ot 70 and the cop pulls out as i drive byt he cop is in his car calign soemthuing in and he just flicks me off. Normally i would take a challenge i just wasnt in the mood.
so im driving home from a friends house its about 10 guy in a 350z teenager prolly 17. So he gets behind me ands tarts tail gating me bad reving and stuff so we get to a light he leans out hjsi window i lean out to see what he wants and he says yo dawg lets run i knew about 2 lights up their was a cup always sitting in this perfect spot thats at an angle becuase its a residentiall area crossing a highway and speed limit goes from 45-35-25 so i tell him ok in a couple lights because then the two lane raod spilts into a merge lane so i get upt o the light i rev a little he sits their reving badly blazing rap light tunrs gereen SCREECH he bolts i sit their not moving one inch by the time he sees i didnt move he prolyl at like 65 ot 70 and the cop pulls out as i drive byt he cop is in his car calign soemthuing in and he just flicks me off. Normally i would take a challenge i just wasnt in the mood.
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Originally Posted by shorty911
ok i got a little story thats pretty fun you guys might get a kick out of it
so im driving home from a friends house its about 10 guy in a 350z teenager prolly 17. So he gets behind me ands tarts tail gating me bad reving and stuff so we get to a light he leans out hjsi window i lean out to see what he wants and he says yo dawg lets run i knew about 2 lights up their was a cup always sitting in this perfect spot thats at an angle becuase its a residentiall area crossing a highway and speed limit goes from 45-35-25 so i tell him ok in a couple lights because then the two lane raod spilts into a merge lane so i get upt o the light i rev a little he sits their reving badly blazing rap light tunrs gereen SCREECH he bolts i sit their not moving one inch by the time he sees i didnt move he prolyl at like 65 ot 70 and the cop pulls out as i drive byt he cop is in his car calign soemthuing in and he just flicks me off. Normally i would take a challenge i just wasnt in the mood.
so im driving home from a friends house its about 10 guy in a 350z teenager prolly 17. So he gets behind me ands tarts tail gating me bad reving and stuff so we get to a light he leans out hjsi window i lean out to see what he wants and he says yo dawg lets run i knew about 2 lights up their was a cup always sitting in this perfect spot thats at an angle becuase its a residentiall area crossing a highway and speed limit goes from 45-35-25 so i tell him ok in a couple lights because then the two lane raod spilts into a merge lane so i get upt o the light i rev a little he sits their reving badly blazing rap light tunrs gereen SCREECH he bolts i sit their not moving one inch by the time he sees i didnt move he prolyl at like 65 ot 70 and the cop pulls out as i drive byt he cop is in his car calign soemthuing in and he just flicks me off. Normally i would take a challenge i just wasnt in the mood.
So he was already stopped and pulled over when you drove by him... I hear stories exactly like yours on car forums all the time and it alays involves some faster car getting pulled over, along with some stereotypical nonsense (I knew there was a cop ahead, teenager, rap music, blah blah blah) like your story. I'm usually pretty good at sniffing out BS, and your story stinks. I'd tell you why but then maybe you'd actually be able to make up a story and make it not sound like a load of crap, and that just wouldn't be much fun.
09-12-2004, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by VikingDJ
I own both an STI and RX8, and they really are tough to compare. I've never driven a regular wrx, so I can't say which is faster, but I tend to agree that the WRX will pull away from an rx8. Obviously my rx8 is a joke in power in any category against the sti, and what once felt like a pretty fast car, now feels like a snail. iN handling they are too close to call. I'd imagine the WRX is a superb all around daily driver performance car, because other then the rough ride, the STI is a very capable , enjoyable daily driver. There tends to be a theme here on WRX and RX8. The only bad things you can really say are that the rx8 is just not very fast, and that the WRX just isn't very good looking. When I line up my rx8 and STI together, it's pretty obvious which car has flash, and which car looks plain. The rx8 to me is all show no go, and the sti is all go, no show. That's why I own both. They are both great cars, but but two different reasons. The WRX makes for a perfect daily driver, because it gives you a lot of car for a great price. The rx8 is same way, but you pay more to get more. If I was forced to get rid of one car, it would definitely be the STI, because the way the car looks and drives is tough to let go of, no matter how lacking it is in power. Like Renesis Heart said, they are two different cars for two different people.
~wow im surprised you'd give up the the STI....I mean the RX8 is an amazing car, for what it lacks (strightline acel) i feel it more than makes up for it...good comparision tho
09-12-2004, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by VikingDJ
I own both an STI and RX8, and they really are tough to compare. I've never driven a regular wrx, so I can't say which is faster, but I tend to agree that the WRX will pull away from an rx8. Obviously my rx8 is a joke in power in any category against the sti, and what once felt like a pretty fast car, now feels like a snail. iN handling they are too close to call. I'd imagine the WRX is a superb all around daily driver performance car, because other then the rough ride, the STI is a very capable , enjoyable daily driver. There tends to be a theme here on WRX and RX8. The only bad things you can really say are that the rx8 is just not very fast, and that the WRX just isn't very good looking. When I line up my rx8 and STI together, it's pretty obvious which car has flash, and which car looks plain. The rx8 to me is all show no go, and the sti is all go, no show. That's why I own both. They are both great cars, but but two different reasons. The WRX makes for a perfect daily driver, because it gives you a lot of car for a great price. The rx8 is same way, but you pay more to get more. If I was forced to get rid of one car, it would definitely be the STI, because the way the car looks and drives is tough to let go of, no matter how lacking it is in power. Like Renesis Heart said, they are two different cars for two different people.
Unlike you, however, I prefer the STi. Don't get me wrong, I love the RX-8, but it is probably the second best car out there (in my price range, anyway). The RX-8 beats or matches the STi in almost all non-performance categories - looks (well, I actually prefer the STi's masculine, aggressive looks over the 'classical sports car' lines of the RX-8, but I can see how some people would find the STi's looks offensive), the ride is much softer, the interior is much better and more luxurious, it has more comfort features, etc. But in the STi, when you push the accelerator at any speed and it throws you back in your seat, you forget about all the other things. There is just so much to be said for a daily driveable rally car. There are a lot of cars that look good and have a lot of comfort features, but there are very few daily driven cars that match the STi's all-around performance. When you can line up at a red light against 99% of the cars out there, in any weather condition, there is nothing like being able to say to the person next to you, "I am going to get in front of you and there is nothing you can do about it" (not that I would say that, it's just nice to know
). It is great to have a car that you can DRIVE to an event - be it autocross, drag racing, or a race track - and be able to stack up very well against anything else that is put out there.But, like has been said, different strokes for different folks. It all depends on what you want out of a car. The RX-8 is an awesome machine, but the performance leaves a little to be desired. The STi is a monster, but I think you have to be the right kind of person to be able to live with it. The moral of the story is, know what you want out of a car, buy what you can afford, and be happy with it.
09-13-2004, 01:27 AM
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..just my two cents:
If i wanted an STi.. i would've bought one. Don't get me wrong, i do think that they are full of raw power.. and would devour my non-FI 8 without hesitation.. i expect that, it's got a turbo!... but why worry about goin' fast? The 8's got enough power when you need it... its always great to go drive down a local spot where a plethera of STi's, 350z's, Evo's, etc. are all over and you drive pass them and hear everyone go "Woo Hoo! Check out that 8!" "Oh my-nice-f***ing-car!" and such... it's the "People's Champ" in my book. I don't worry about getting blown away by STi's... i have my Gixxer 1K to keep them in check
If i wanted an STi.. i would've bought one. Don't get me wrong, i do think that they are full of raw power.. and would devour my non-FI 8 without hesitation.. i expect that, it's got a turbo!... but why worry about goin' fast? The 8's got enough power when you need it... its always great to go drive down a local spot where a plethera of STi's, 350z's, Evo's, etc. are all over and you drive pass them and hear everyone go "Woo Hoo! Check out that 8!" "Oh my-nice-f***ing-car!" and such... it's the "People's Champ" in my book. I don't worry about getting blown away by STi's... i have my Gixxer 1K to keep them in check
09-13-2004, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by shorty911
ok i got a little story thats pretty fun you guys might get a kick out of it
so im driving home from a friends house its about 10 guy in a 350z teenager prolly 17. So he gets behind me ands tarts tail gating me bad reving and stuff so we get to a light he leans out hjsi window i lean out to see what he wants and he says yo dawg lets run i knew about 2 lights up their was a cup always sitting in this perfect spot thats at an angle becuase its a residentiall area crossing a highway and speed limit goes from 45-35-25 so i tell him ok in a couple lights because then the two lane raod spilts into a merge lane so i get upt o the light i rev a little he sits their reving badly blazing rap light tunrs gereen SCREECH he bolts i sit their not moving one inch by the time he sees i didnt move he prolyl at like 65 ot 70 and the cop pulls out as i drive byt he cop is in his car calign soemthuing in and he just flicks me off. Normally i would take a challenge i just wasnt in the mood.
so im driving home from a friends house its about 10 guy in a 350z teenager prolly 17. So he gets behind me ands tarts tail gating me bad reving and stuff so we get to a light he leans out hjsi window i lean out to see what he wants and he says yo dawg lets run i knew about 2 lights up their was a cup always sitting in this perfect spot thats at an angle becuase its a residentiall area crossing a highway and speed limit goes from 45-35-25 so i tell him ok in a couple lights because then the two lane raod spilts into a merge lane so i get upt o the light i rev a little he sits their reving badly blazing rap light tunrs gereen SCREECH he bolts i sit their not moving one inch by the time he sees i didnt move he prolyl at like 65 ot 70 and the cop pulls out as i drive byt he cop is in his car calign soemthuing in and he just flicks me off. Normally i would take a challenge i just wasnt in the mood.
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Originally Posted by shorty911
ok i got a little story thats pretty fun you guys might get a kick out of it...just wasnt in the mood.
Good to see you're still around 350black.
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i had to put that out there..... also iv owned a 92 stelth twin turbo awd-aws and a 92 talon awd at the same time. they wer both beasts and the talon was a monster in the 1/4 12.36 @ 16psi :D and now that i have my rd, i am in heaven. iv goten over the having to be able to be infront of people all the time. . . .
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Just an update. Although I'm not a street racer, for some reason I was in the mood last night (Probably the Corvette that I knew would smoke me, so I didn't do anything, but still got my heart going thinking about it).
WRX pulls up at a red, hard to tell at 1AM, but it looked and sounded stock. Rev's up, I bite and we take off at green.
To everyone that says the WRX will be long gone from a standstill...sorry, but you're wrong. Neck and neck up to high third gear, he shifted first, I pulled about a foot ahead; I shifted, he pulled about a foot ahead, back and forth until my better senses kicked in and I got off the gas.
To be honest, I thought he would have me. I was truly surprised that it was so close. I didn't even think to turn off the TCS/DSC before hand, and I did get the flashing light and associated power loss on take off (I think I was right around 5k).
Maybe if I had turned it off or launched from a higher RPM, I would have pulled ahead a little? Maybe he didn't launch well? Who knows. Just thought I'd try to clear things up for those who haven't actually raced a WRX (NOT AN STI!)
). WRX pulls up at a red, hard to tell at 1AM, but it looked and sounded stock. Rev's up, I bite and we take off at green.
To everyone that says the WRX will be long gone from a standstill...sorry, but you're wrong. Neck and neck up to high third gear, he shifted first, I pulled about a foot ahead; I shifted, he pulled about a foot ahead, back and forth until my better senses kicked in and I got off the gas.
To be honest, I thought he would have me. I was truly surprised that it was so close. I didn't even think to turn off the TCS/DSC before hand, and I did get the flashing light and associated power loss on take off (I think I was right around 5k).
Maybe if I had turned it off or launched from a higher RPM, I would have pulled ahead a little? Maybe he didn't launch well? Who knows. Just thought I'd try to clear things up for those who haven't actually raced a WRX (NOT AN STI!)
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It's not as easy as many people think to launch a WRX. Make a mistake and bog a bit on the launch and you're stuck out of the sweet spot and waiting for boost to come on. If you both get really good launchs you're playing catch up, if a WRX bogs even a small amount most likely he's playing catch up if you get a good launch.
Just a heads up, mods probably aren't going to like your story much :p
Just a heads up, mods probably aren't going to like your story much :p
02-04-2005, 02:58 AM
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I'm interested in driving a WRX now. I really wanna see how much faster the STI is. I guess it's much faster then the regular wrx then I initially thought. I like my RX8 more then my STI, but it's a joke in power comparison. I guess that means the WRX is too? I do agree with Ike though. The tests prove that off the line the WRX with equal drivers will beat the RX8. You had a good launch, and he had a bad one, plain and simple.
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IMO, the WRX is a excellent car. It isn't perfect though, not saying the rx-8 is perfect. To me the down side of the WRX (STI included) is the brakes. I noticed the brakes tend to fade while on the track for both WRX's, making its cornering sluggish. While on the track the rx-8 stuggled keeping up with the WRX. The rx-8 was able to corner slightly faster, but when the WRX's brakes began to fade in the last half the race the rx-8 was able to get closer to the WRX. To keep this fair I will have to say something about the rx-8. *cringes ;-) * Well here it goes, lack of power, I guess. It appears to be a good thing and bad thing roled into one, the good thing is you can push the car a little harder in the corners, but you you can't get the exits speeds. On the exit of a corner you can't get the acceleration you need to keep up or pass a car like the WRX. I think the WRX's brake "thing", and cornering "thing" went compaired to the rx-8 is the 300 pounds extra weight.
In short rx-8 wins in cornering, WRX Wins in corner exits, and straights. Thats my theory and nothing will change it.
One last thing I will respect any car and its owner putting my biases aside, untill they start the "my car is perfect" and refuse to look it objectively. This is the reason why I have developed a hate towards Wichester Firearms, and Perfer Remington firearm, thats a different story for a different day.
In short rx-8 wins in cornering, WRX Wins in corner exits, and straights. Thats my theory and nothing will change it.
One last thing I will respect any car and its owner putting my biases aside, untill they start the "my car is perfect" and refuse to look it objectively. This is the reason why I have developed a hate towards Wichester Firearms, and Perfer Remington firearm, thats a different story for a different day.
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Originally Posted by Chevy
IMO, the WRX is a excellent car. It isn't perfect though, not saying the rx-8 is perfect. To me the down side of the WRX (STI included) is the brakes. I noticed the brakes tend to fade while on the track for both WRX's, making its cornering sluggish. While on the track the rx-8 stuggled keeping up with the WRX. The rx-8 was able to corner slightly faster, but when the WRX's brakes began to fade in the last half the race the rx-8 was able to get closer to the WRX. To keep this fair I will have to say something about the rx-8. *cringes ;-) * Well here it goes, lack of power, I guess. It appears to be a good thing and bad thing roled into one, the good thing is you can push the car a little harder in the corners, but you you can't get the exits speeds. On the exit of a corner you can't get the acceleration you need to keep up or pass a car like the WRX. I think the WRX's brake "thing", and cornering "thing" went compaired to the rx-8 is the 300 pounds extra weight.
In short rx-8 wins in cornering, WRX Wins in corner exits, and straights. Thats my theory and nothing will change it.
In short rx-8 wins in cornering, WRX Wins in corner exits, and straights. Thats my theory and nothing will change it.
I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree about the Brakes on STI. Owning both RX8 and STI, it's hard to say which braking system is better, but I can tell you the STI literally stops on a dime, and even at high speeds it's quite remarkable. The braking system feels stronger then on RX8, because it has more work to do in order to stop car. The STI just hits speeds so incredibly fast, you need better brakes. The brake system on regular WRX is not like the STI. STI has 4 piston Brembro in front, and 2 piston in back. I really can't tell which car handles better either. The STI is just so different feeling, and the steering is more responsive, yet less daily friendly, which is typical with cars made with pure performance in mind. I heard the EVO is even worse. The RX8 sacrifices some of it's handling for comfort, which is a good thing. I'm sure the MS RX8 will own the corners.
I just dug this up from road tests. Considering STI is giving up almost 300lbs, the braking system to me appears to be better more so then these tests indicate.
STI braking 60-0, 110 feet.
RX8 braking 60-0, 114 feet.
WRX braking 60-0 123 feet.
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I think rx8 and wrx are pretty much the same beside the all wheel drive that is..because i race my friend with a wrx with slight mods. (full catback HKS,blow off valve and STi intake)
off the lunch we were side by side.. i guess if u know how to lunch u'r rx8 good enough you'll take a wrx and u'r reaction on the light its all on da driver.. but anyways i have a question..does anyone have the new greddy turbo for da rx8??? how is it?? is it worth buying??? is there anything bad about???
off the lunch we were side by side.. i guess if u know how to lunch u'r rx8 good enough you'll take a wrx and u'r reaction on the light its all on da driver.. but anyways i have a question..does anyone have the new greddy turbo for da rx8??? how is it?? is it worth buying??? is there anything bad about???
02-04-2005, 11:19 AM
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I lunch my 8 daily. Most of the time I lunch it out to Togo's but sometimes I'll lunch on out to Baja Fresh.
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Originally Posted by Chevy
IMO, the WRX is a excellent car. It isn't perfect though, not saying the rx-8 is perfect. To me the down side of the WRX (STI included) is the brakes. I noticed the brakes tend to fade while on the track for both WRX's, making its cornering sluggish. While on the track the rx-8 stuggled keeping up with the WRX. The rx-8 was able to corner slightly faster, but when the WRX's brakes began to fade in the last half the race the rx-8 was able to get closer to the WRX. To keep this fair I will have to say something about the rx-8. *cringes ;-) * Well here it goes, lack of power, I guess. It appears to be a good thing and bad thing roled into one, the good thing is you can push the car a little harder in the corners, but you you can't get the exits speeds. On the exit of a corner you can't get the acceleration you need to keep up or pass a car like the WRX. I think the WRX's brake "thing", and cornering "thing" went compaired to the rx-8 is the 300 pounds extra weight.
In short rx-8 wins in cornering, WRX Wins in corner exits, and straights. Thats my theory and nothing will change it.
One last thing I will respect any car and its owner putting my biases aside, untill they start the "my car is perfect" and refuse to look it objectively. This is the reason why I have developed a hate towards Wichester Firearms, and Perfer Remington firearm, thats a different story for a different day.
In short rx-8 wins in cornering, WRX Wins in corner exits, and straights. Thats my theory and nothing will change it.
One last thing I will respect any car and its owner putting my biases aside, untill they start the "my car is perfect" and refuse to look it objectively. This is the reason why I have developed a hate towards Wichester Firearms, and Perfer Remington firearm, thats a different story for a different day.
