Proposed: Vehicle-Miles Traveled Tax (U.S.)
05-05-2011, 10:46 AM
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Proposed: Vehicle-Miles Traveled Tax (U.S.)
Senator Kent Conrad Mulls Vehicle Miles Traveled Tax
more at http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110325/...s_traveled_tax
CBO Sees Benefits in Taxing Motorists Based on Miles Driven
more at http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...otorists-based
Please note that this is a tax on top of the current gasoline tax. It does not replace the current federal tax on gasoline. This tax would not go to road building as the current tax is.
Casting about to find more creative ways to take money from Americans, in a study commissioned by the Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, the Congressional Budget Office proposed a "vehicle miles traveled" tax.
The rationale for such a tax is that the number of miles one travels on a highway is a more accurate measure of the wear and tear one's vehicle causes to the road than the gas tax. Tucked into the proposal is a provision to base the tax on vehicle size as well as miles driven.
Of course, every vehicle would have to have devices installed within them to measure the amount of miles driven that would electronically report the number to the government so that the tax can be accurately accessed.
The rationale for such a tax is that the number of miles one travels on a highway is a more accurate measure of the wear and tear one's vehicle causes to the road than the gas tax. Tucked into the proposal is a provision to base the tax on vehicle size as well as miles driven.
Of course, every vehicle would have to have devices installed within them to measure the amount of miles driven that would electronically report the number to the government so that the tax can be accurately accessed.
CBO Sees Benefits in Taxing Motorists Based on Miles Driven
A new Congressional Budget Office study says taxing motorists based on the number of miles they drive would be a fair and "efficient" way to charge motorists for the real cost of using the nation's highways. "Vehicle-miles traveled" taxes (or VMT taxes) also would provide a strong incentive for people to drive less.
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood floated the idea of a VMT tax one month after President Obama took office, but Obama’s spokesman immediately shot it down. "It is not and will not be the policy of the Obama administration," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters in February 2009.
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood floated the idea of a VMT tax one month after President Obama took office, but Obama’s spokesman immediately shot it down. "It is not and will not be the policy of the Obama administration," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters in February 2009.
Please note that this is a tax on top of the current gasoline tax. It does not replace the current federal tax on gasoline. This tax would not go to road building as the current tax is.
05-05-2011, 10:57 AM
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Getting screwed twice sounds like fun...
We pay a property\ownership yearly tax here based on the vehicle's power output.
It was a "circulation\road going" tax at first, then became a property tax so that we must pay it even if the vehicle is permanently stored.
We pay a property\ownership yearly tax here based on the vehicle's power output.
It was a "circulation\road going" tax at first, then became a property tax so that we must pay it even if the vehicle is permanently stored.
05-05-2011, 11:26 AM
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this is such crap.
the gas tax was put in place to accomplish this already, if they think this is a more 'effective revenue source' then it needs to REPLACE the gas tax and even then I'd be against it.
The irony of this is: The White House / Lawmakers have been on a HUGE kick the last few years (and spending money) to go Green and raise MPG vehicles and then it suddenly dawns on them that by doing that they just bit themselves in the *** because higher MPG cars don't buy as much gasoline which means less gas tax money.
idiots.
the gas tax was put in place to accomplish this already, if they think this is a more 'effective revenue source' then it needs to REPLACE the gas tax and even then I'd be against it.
The irony of this is: The White House / Lawmakers have been on a HUGE kick the last few years (and spending money) to go Green and raise MPG vehicles and then it suddenly dawns on them that by doing that they just bit themselves in the *** because higher MPG cars don't buy as much gasoline which means less gas tax money.
idiots.
05-05-2011, 04:00 PM
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I have a hard time believing they could get people to agree to have a device added to new and used cars that will measure miles and more than likely have gps in it to "be more accurate". People will fight against that as hard as they can.
05-05-2011, 07:02 PM
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This is just like that idea California is looking at with the smart card drivers license. Which you wouldn't be able to start your car without a valid license, oh and its just as bad as the snap shot idea from progressive. Im sure my insurance rates would suck with that thing.
The gov gets enough of my taxes thanks without me being even more poor.
The gov gets enough of my taxes thanks without me being even more poor.
05-05-2011, 07:30 PM
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who says anyone gets to fight against it? when stuff like that gets passed, the public doesn't typically have a say.
05-05-2011, 09:21 PM
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As bad as it sounds it gets worse; it's a slippery slope to more control.
They've taxed the hell outta trucks for 50 years: around $10k a year for some.
For cars they'll be able to tax, send a bill when you speed, and kill your ignition when the popo wants to talk.
Did anyone read 1984?
They've taxed the hell outta trucks for 50 years: around $10k a year for some.
For cars they'll be able to tax, send a bill when you speed, and kill your ignition when the popo wants to talk.
Did anyone read 1984?
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05-05-2011, 10:27 PM
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realistically the gas tax needs to be replaced with some form of usage tax as more and more hybrid and full electric autos take to the roads.
but we have odometers in our cars already. we dont need any other device in our cars to track us to tax us. just have everyone pull into an inspection station twice a year or every quarter and check the odo with an obdii tool. pay on the way out.
done
but we have odometers in our cars already. we dont need any other device in our cars to track us to tax us. just have everyone pull into an inspection station twice a year or every quarter and check the odo with an obdii tool. pay on the way out.
done
05-06-2011, 08:10 AM
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Mileage tax would be unfair to those who also drive on private roads. I easily drive 2,000-4,000 miles a year on private roads that are not maintained by state funding.
I'm usually not a big brother is out to get me kinda person (most people list more info on facebook and twitter than the gov tracks anyway) but no way do I want a gov GPS unit in my car. I'm sure they would find a way to issue speeding tickets by your GPS's recorded speed.
I agree with zoom that something else is needed for revenue, but not sure about a GPS mileage approach. Maybe a larger scale E-Z Pass system? Rather than toll plazas just imbed an RFID reader into the roadway and charge all roads like a turnpike?
I'm usually not a big brother is out to get me kinda person (most people list more info on facebook and twitter than the gov tracks anyway) but no way do I want a gov GPS unit in my car. I'm sure they would find a way to issue speeding tickets by your GPS's recorded speed.
I agree with zoom that something else is needed for revenue, but not sure about a GPS mileage approach. Maybe a larger scale E-Z Pass system? Rather than toll plazas just imbed an RFID reader into the roadway and charge all roads like a turnpike?
05-06-2011, 11:50 AM
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well you already pay a gas tax on the fuel used when driving on those private roads- unless you are buying from "off road use only" pumps. so there is no difference as far as "fair "
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