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alfy28 10-25-2010 04:20 PM

Actually going to use the break to rekindle with my ex ex gf.

PerSmitt 10-26-2010 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 3760946)
If that happens to a Ferrari, does that mean a new Pope has been chosen? :)

Hahaha, hilarious!

PerSmitt 10-26-2010 06:34 AM

By the way, I am a bit worried about Ferrari now. They have always been strong on Interlagos and I think Alonso can win there. Just as I think Hamilton can win in Abu Dhabi.

If that happens I am afraid Alonso will win the championship (ruling out that he nukes his final engine). What do you other guys think, and even you tifoso girls ;)

alfy28 10-26-2010 11:57 AM

Not good if true.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11010262...t-title-rivals



Gerhard Berger has accused Mark Webber of wanting to take out a championship rival after crashing in Sunday's Korean grand prix.

Australian Webber, who at the time was leading the world championship by 14 points, spun on a wet kerb whilst running second at Yeongam and struck the wall.

But his Red Bull then rolled back across the circuit, collecting the Mercedes of Nico Rosberg.

"I don't understand why Webber didn't hit the brakes," said Rosberg. "It was crazy to roll back across the track like that."

Former grand prix winner Berger said on Monday: "He could have hit the brakes and stopped the car at the wall.

"He took out Rosberg, but it was the wrong one. I think in his mind he would have preferred Alonso or Hamilton," the former Ferrari and McLaren driver told Austrian Servus TV.

Asked to clarify whether he thinks Webber's move was deliberate, Berger - a former co-owner of the second Red Bull team Toro Rosso - added: "Yes, I think that's very clear.

"He goes off and he knows it's over. In this moment you're frustrated and a thousand thoughts go through your head.

"It's very obvious, you can see his wheels are not locked up. Perhaps he had a brake problem, but I don't think so."



Read more: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11010262...#ixzz13U7bgFz8

bse50 10-26-2010 12:04 PM

I think that he was lucky that neither of the 2 contenders crashed into him. They can both get pretty physical under some circumstances lol

alfy28 10-26-2010 12:11 PM

I hope that is the case.



Fernando Alonso is not ready to relax despite leaping into a strong points position with just two races left to run in 2010.

It is true that, now with an 11-point lead over Mark Webber, if the Spaniard wins in Brazil in two weeks and his Australian rival is fifth or lower, Alonso will secure his third drivers' world championship with a race to spare.

But McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh, whose drivers are also still mathematically in the hunt, said: "There is little doubt now the championship decider is going to be in Abu Dhabi."

Alonso agrees that he cannot rely on another Korea-like outcome before then.

"Red Bull showed us again in Korea that they are stronger than us, and that will be the same in Brazil and Abu Dhabi as well," the Ferrari driver told El Pais newspaper.

"So what we need is another small step forward to be competitive. We must be on the podium. If someone beats us now, congratulations -- winning or losing will depend on who is faster, on reliability and on luck," added the 29-year-old.

In comments published by Italy's La Stampa, Alonso said he is not interested in the mathematical possibility of him becoming champion in Brazil.

"Yes, that's true -- and if Red Bull miss their plane to Brazil, that's another way to be champion," he joked.

"The odds remain in favour of Red Bull."

Alonso said the only mathematical certainty is that he cannot lose the championship at Interlagos in two weeks.

"In Korea I have only guaranteed to be fighting in Abu Dhabi in the last race of the season," he confirmed.



Read more: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11010262...#ixzz13UBU06vA

alnielsen 10-26-2010 12:16 PM

Could it be that Red Bull is so much stronger, at the moment, because the other teams have tuned down their engines in order to make them last to the end of the season?

The Reverend 10-26-2010 12:20 PM

Lol i love the crazy theories

kubica dropped off after the practice sessions because a member of the mclaren pit crew has a picture of him singing karaoke to miley cyrus in women's lingerie.

alfy28 10-26-2010 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 3762273)
Could it be that Red Bull is so much stronger, at the moment, because the other teams have tuned down their engines in order to make them last to the end of the season?

I hope Ferrari tunes the crap out of Alonso engine. I want Alonso car to move so fast that it.........

alnielsen 10-26-2010 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by The Reverend (Post 3762280)
Lol i love the crazy theories

kubica dropped off after the practice sessions because a member of the mclaren pit crew has a picture of him singing karaoke to miley cyrus in women's lingerie.

There's a picture of Kubica in women's lingerie?

RWatters 10-26-2010 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 3762273)
Could it be that Red Bull is so much stronger, at the moment, because the other teams have tuned down their engines in order to make them last to the end of the season?

If that's the case then we should see them slowing down now. I believe both are out of engines.

I'm wondering if Ferrari may take a grid spot penalty at Brazil (knowing you can pass there) to give Alonso a good engine for the last race? Certainly something to ponder.

Mazmart 10-26-2010 07:15 PM

Red Bull's edge is not from horsepower but rather in aerodynamic down force. The advantage may go to McLaren through engine reliability through the last two races. This could very well be a factor.

Paul.

PerSmitt 10-27-2010 02:36 AM


Originally Posted by alfy28 (Post 3762245)

About Webber taking out rivals. In a crash situation like that 2 million thoughts fly through your mind. When competing those thoughts are not always nice to your fellow competitors.

That Webber thought about taking one of his rivals down with him I have no doubt. We are also talking about the world's most competitive people. In that split second when the entire world is spinning all it takes is a moment of hesitation to brake and thus letting the car slide out again and clip a competitor.

I am definitely not saying that Webber wanted to take out an opponent. I'm just saying that in that split second when you must act on instinct you can find out a lot of weird things about yourself.

bse50 10-27-2010 02:53 AM

Knowing ferrari they probably have like a couple of engines ready to go somehow =)
Jokes aside, having no fresh engines left is not this huge problem, if they played right now they should have some good broken in engines with just some horsepower losses. A new engine can break down easily.. a known unit shouldn't!

PerSmitt 10-27-2010 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by bse50 (Post 3763134)
Knowing ferrari they probably have like a couple of engines ready to go somehow =)
Jokes aside, having no fresh engines left is not this huge problem, if they played right now they should have some good broken in engines with just some horsepower losses. A new engine can break down easily.. a known unit shouldn't!

I was of the thought that it was mileage that broke the engine and not random chance. Once an engine reaches a certain mileage it is almost 100% certain that it breaks due to wear and tear.

I always heard that the safest you could get is a brand new engine in the F1 car. Can Aln confirm or deny this please?

bse50 10-27-2010 06:41 AM

It is true to an extent and i can confirm this.
My thought came out from the fact that the last few races didn't see a lot of engine abuse because of safety car deployement, inclement weather etc.
A new engine can always pop (that's the major risk, think about ferrari at the beginning of this season), those last "half used" engines should suffice.
Especially Ferrari is using the lowest mileage engines for the race\qualifying and is keeping the worn ones for the free practices.
I don't know if you have noticed this: They are putting a lot of free practice laps but then limit their laps in qualifying :)

alnielsen 10-27-2010 06:43 AM

I'm flattered. But, I don't know for sure. I would think a new one would be more dependable. Those engines are only expected to last for a short time. Endurance wasn't in the specs.

bse50 10-27-2010 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 3763198)
I'm flattered. But, I don't know for sure. I would think a new one would be more dependable. Those engines are only expected to last for a short time. Endurance wasn't in the specs.

Is their life expectancy 3 or 4000kms?

alnielsen 10-27-2010 07:04 AM

Alonso as good as Senna - Berger

Fernando Alonso can be mentioned in the same breath as Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher according to former Formula One driver Gerhard Berger.

Coming from Berger, who was Senna's team-mate and great friend, it is high praise indeed.
continued at http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/32322.html

Horner admits Vettel engine situation 'not ideal'

Christian Horner hopes Sebastian Vettel's engine situation does not further dent his championship chances.

The Red Bull driver retired from the lead of the Korean Grand Prix last Sunday with a sudden and catastrophic failure of his Renault engine.

The 2.4 litre V8 unit that failed was the eighth he has used in races so far in 2010, but it had successfully completed 1600km of its projected life of 2000km.
continued at http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=392508:F1

bse50 10-27-2010 07:17 AM

Ok Al, i will hold you responsible for my nightmares now that you corrected me about engine lives :(

alfy28 10-27-2010 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 3763198)
I'm flattered. But, I don't know for sure. I would think a new one would be more dependable. Those engines are only expected to last for a short time. Endurance wasn't in the specs.

:scratchhe I look up to you for guidance. Now who I do I look up to now, if you don't know :).


@BSE doesn't the engine get damage if the car is running slow, which causes more heat to sit around the engine bay.

shaunv74 10-27-2010 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by PerSmitt (Post 3763127)
About Webber taking out rivals. In a crash situation like that 2 million thoughts fly through your mind. When competing those thoughts are not always nice to your fellow competitors.

That Webber thought about taking one of his rivals down with him I have no doubt. We are also talking about the world's most competitive people. In that split second when the entire world is spinning all it takes is a moment of hesitation to brake and thus letting the car slide out again and clip a competitor.

I am definitely not saying that Webber wanted to take out an opponent. I'm just saying that in that split second when you must act on instinct you can find out a lot of weird things about yourself.

Looking at the footage I would suggest that Webbers first thought may have been about trying to continue and get back to the pits. the nose was busted up on the first impact but it looked like all 4 wheels were still on. I would have been trying to avoid getting hit and continuing the race before I would have thought about taking others out. Webber was most focused on finishing as well as he could, taking out someone else doesn't serve him at all.

dezau 10-27-2010 03:57 PM

it'd be a double joy if vettel or alonso's engine blow up in the course of the next 2 races :D

bse50 10-27-2010 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by alfy28 (Post 3763276)
@BSE doesn't the engine get damage if the car is running slow, which causes more heat to sit around the engine bay.
Alonso is so hot anyway :crazy:

I don't think so, they have so many pre-sets to pick up from, keeping the temperatures down shouldn't be too hard :)

Mazmart 10-27-2010 07:56 PM

The suggestion that Webber was trying to take out a rival seems ludicrous to me. That wreck was fast and violent. I have not seen any indication of such malicious thought process from him.

This end of season is going to be VERY exciting.

Paul.


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