New rotary-powered supercar
 

Rotary-powered hybrid-electric supercar, that is.

Frazer-Nash Namir by Giugiaro
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/03/g...r-by-giugiaro/

"If you're at all familiar with the name Frazer-Nash, it probably isn't in the context of modern drivetrain technology like hybrid systems. Nonetheless, the brand that was long ago a famous British car maker is still around, albeit no longer building cars. In fact, hybrid drive systems is exactly what Frazer Nash is developing today and the company has collaborated with Italdesign Giugiaro to create a concept called the Namir.

Frazer Nash has developed a series hybrid drivetrain (like the Voltec drivetrain in the Chevy Volt) that uses an 814cc rotary engine driving a generator. The generator charges a 400V lithium polymer battery pack that feeds electrons to a pair of electric motors at each axle with a cumulative output of 362 hp. The system is claimed to give the Namir a top speed of 187 mph, 0-62 mph acceleration in 3.5 seconds while still managing 91.7 mpg (US)! Not too shabby."

They need to actually produce this $#!t!

Very interesting. Question is: Does it work?

Hmmm..... :D

yes, but it'll flood if you turn it off in the cold

Holy...
Shit!

That's really awesome. They need to get the 16x right now so they can fit the car with one and work with it....since they supposedly fixed the flooding issues.

This is a series hybrid so it only needs a rotary half the size of the 16x.

Well yeah,. but I meant a 16x to study to figure out what they have all changed in order to fix the usual rotary issues....flooding mainly. I worded that really funny...Sorry. They REALLY don't need to put the 16x in there to run the generator, that's overkill! :lol:

Now this is a hybrid I would buy in a second

Great 'Lemon" colour

I wonder where they got the rotary engine from. It is a 2-rotor, and it looks turbocharged.
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You won't be able to afford it.

mazda should have made something like this

Amazing fapping material.

that is sick!!!!!! mazda where you at?????

wow. sweet

Holy crap.. math class called. They want their geometry back.

It really looks like a small, turbocharged peripheral port 2 rotor. If it only runs at a constant rpm, it would be very easy to design it for low BSFC at that point.

I don't know this specific application or details. But I can say a good friend about 6-7 years ago invested millions into a project developing a rotary hybrid just like this...their results are similar and their intended application is very economical. They also developed their own rotary engine and used no Mazda architecture.

The technological principles are similar to diesel locomotives. As RG mentions above, a constant low load operating ICE that powers generators/traction motors.

I know a lot more, but that's as far as I'll go. But the results are great.:)

I wish Mazda would make something like this, and make it affordable.

^^^^^completely agree

So here's the real question: do you think they solved the oil consumption issue somehow in this design?

Hi, rg. Do you agree with those who say that a rotary ICE (don't want to say RICE) can be more efficient as a generator than a piston ICE when both are running at their sweet spot?

I've also heard both sides about the eventual efficiency of on-board microturbine generators as range extenders. Thanks!

I would say that the piston would still be more efficient. However look at the engine we have there, 800cc and the thing is TINY! The small turbo on it definitely increases the efficiency, plumbing might be easier to work with as well. Also I think the rotary generator would run much smoother, and also weight less. It will also be very reliable if it runs at a constant RPM.
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i like having mazda as the brand for rotory. not to happy about other cars having one too. im just not willing to share.:icon_no2:

My dreams have come true!:fruit:

I'm still amazed at this car. It's VERY good. I really hope Mazda does something like this in a more affordable manner.

This just goes to show you WHAT can be doe with the rotary. The only problem is Mazda should've been the one who did it, even if it was just a concept. Mazda has been developing the rotary for years now and they haven't thought of this? Shame on them. This IS their RX9 supercar, if only they had the leadership to make it. Mazda would look really stupid if another manufacturer came out with a rotary electric hybrid before them.

Uh, Mazda has already brought out a RE-electric hybrid.

Only problem is with the hydrogen fuel in the premacy rotary series hybrid. Can't remember if it was dual fuel like the hydrogen-gasoline RX-8. Well, of course, the Premacy wasn't a sports car.

They put in the Mazda5/Premacy, and, it's a dual fuel series hybrid.


I like the look of that Frazer-Nash, but I'd only drive it if I was Racer X.

Why do you doubt it's a series hybrid? With a .8L rotary couldn't be a parallel hybrid.

For those that didn't see the engine picture:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/genev...namir/1400772/

Actually, your link is to a parallel hybrid drive-train:

Start up
Battery power

Steady running
Driven by hydrogen rotary engine and generator

Acceleration
Driven by hydrogen rotary engine
and generator + battery

There was rumor back in August of last year that Mazda was also developing a series hybrid:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008...id-gm-volt.php

that endothermic bit gave us a nice clue for research:)

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directo...ralato_Ruggero

i think it might be this, its an atkinson cycle rotary :) we talked about this type before

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2004020791

I wonder who they paid their license fee to to make their 814cc rotary?

if its not a mazda-style wankel then they wouldnt need to pay a fee

Yeah, that was the clue I used yesterday to get stuck in an infinite loop with that other weird thread from yesterday.

http://white-smoke.wetpaint.com/page...+Engine?t=anon

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/future-rotary-isnt-wankel-168074/

I have just come back from talking to my Mazda Parts Manager mate ...

You can't get away from this guy...A quick 10 minute visit, turns into a few Hours!!!...

Anyway, got talking on the RENESIS and Fords Involvement initially.
The Mazda Australia's state service rep told him that Mazda originally wanted a total of SIX oil injection nozzles (as used in the 09's) as engineers were concerned about sealing and longevity based on their 40 years of knowledge.

It has been well documented the "Hurdles" Mazda went through to bring the Evolv into production as the RX-8.

ALL the engineers said the oiling system would give problems in a very short period of time, the Bean Counters (Ford) basically said if you don't sign off on this car now..it won't happen.

So, we all know the outcome.
It appears the Mazda's Rotary Engineers warnings came true.

Michael also said Mazda are losing millions with the world wide rebuilds/replacements.
Remembering that apart from the US/Canada all other distributors are replacing RX-8's with all brand new Japan made RENESIS's out of a crate.

Here once the warranty claims are paid most dealers are Binning/Trashing/Destroying the old engines!..

Trying to save a penny has cost at lot more in the end.

LOL - the comment over there "That car has a receding hairline" got me laughing. Seriously though, I'd love to drive one of those.

It is kind of nice to know someone else is working with the rotary should Mazda have to put it on hold.

oh weird :D:

Wrong thread?

Very interesting... definitely want to see more ideas like these showing up and being put to good use (unlike all the other hybrids that have or will die off).

Maybe it could be 1 rotor from the X16 :)

But then they would have to pay a big fee, so I doubt they took Mazda's concept.

It's a Twin Rotor..of 407cc each, so it is a little smaller than Mazda's 10A rotary used in the
R100 and RX-3 which was 982cc

i want it.

flat out.

i want it.

that thing is sick. SICKKKK.

now their logo on the other hand....

So does anyone know if this Namir will be at the New York Auto Show? I emailed this and a few other questions to Frazer-Nash last week. No answer. They have a very tight lid on this thing. I haven't seen any new information on this anywhere.

I did see that Frazer-Nash uses this "Wankel" serial hybrid concept in their monorail design called the Metrail:

http://www.frazer-nash.com/06-mmd.html

http://www.metrail.com/10-traction.html

Not sure how many have been actually built. The test track in Malaysia uses a Diesel engine. Diesel rotary?

BTW, the engine and turbo in the Namir looks a little like the Diesel Wankel test engines NASA worked on with Curtiss-Wright and John Deere before the rotary division was sold into the apparent oblivion of RPI:
http://rotarynews.com/node/view/461

It seems the rotary engine used in the Namir is the 814 cc aircraft engine developed by Wankel AG in Kirchberg (which acquired the rights in 2002 after Felix Wankel's Wankel GmbH went kaput in 2001):

http://www.wankel-ag.de/seite1_e.html

Frazer-Nash has been working with Wankel AG since 2004. Previously, this engine seems to have been a direct-injection turbodiesel.

"Hersteller und Lieferant dieses originalen WANKEL-Motors ist die WANKEL AG aus Kirchberg in Sachsen. Der Motor ist ursprünglich ein direkteingespritzter WANKEL-Turbodiesel-Flugmotor mit Fremdzündung, 2 x 407 ccm Kammervolumen (814) und hier modifiziert für den Betrieb mit Benzin. Die Frazer-Nash Research Ltd. und die WANKEL AG arbeiten seit 2004 an hybriden Antriebssystemen. Im Jahr 2002 entstanden aus der gesamten Konkursmasse der WANKEL ROTARY GmbH, ist auch die WANKEL AG die gegenwärtig weltweit einzige direkte Fortsetzung der von Prof. Felix Wankel in den 1930er Jahren begonnenen Arbeiten."
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/n...n-1003669.html

This comment was posted by the head of Wankel AG, Mario Häberer.

I'm guessing "endothermic" in this context merely means turbocharged, ie, the 'absorption' and use of exhaust heat.

wow that is awsome, mazda where you at???

thansk robreacht