I have seen some new dynos of the Si and it looks like they get more power to the wheels then our cars. eek

 

And it weighs less than the 8.....

 

Don't worry, I drove one and it's slower then the 8.

 

...and its a Honda.

 

...and body roll is huge.

 

The Si only puts out 197 at the crank. Dynos are not always accurate and should only be used as starting point for mods on your car. I do like the looks of the Civic. Alot of car for the money.

 

Huger than a stock rx8?

 

yep hugest

Go test drive one. You won't feel any confidence at all in the corners.

 

oh god... never believe a dyno sheet from a civic website

 

Which means....? Better overall quality, reliability, and value retention? Those seem to be all great brand traits to me.

 

It's about the same maybe a touch more, just like the RSX Type S so on a dyno 190whp is probably about right.

 

You must have driven one without the tire package and be confusing soft sidewalls with excessive body roll. The new SI is getting .9+ on the skidpad and perfect scores in fun to drive and handling from C&D as well as other pubilications

 

maybe, I didn't check the tires that were on there. I was actually dissapointed with the power more then anything. I thought it would pull harder then it did. Also, ever since honda gave up on the double wishbone setup, I just don't feel comfortable cornering in these fwd cars.

 

A friend of mine at work just got his and let me take to the airport about an hour ride so i had a few miles to work with. it's not as fast as a stock mt8 but i have to say great car! and you know it will be easy to make very fast.

 

Not in my experience, nor my friend (who is a Honda fan).

Another Honda brand trait... 99% of their cars are FWD.

 

Not more than mine does

And besides, they are putting the HP to the wrong set of wheels.

 

I agree, there is nothing wrong with the vehicles that Honda makes. Take a look at the S2000 and NSX.

 

And like a typical Honda, cheap mods can make it faster than stock.

 

its a good car no doubt about it but even if its faster than the rx8(which its not) its still not a sports car and can never do what the 8 can. not bashing it just stating an obvious concrete fact that for 18k you're not going to be killing 350zs as some make it out to.

 

No one is making it out to be a Z killer. Also it traps just as high and if the RSX Ype S is an indication a little higher than the RX-8. So technically it's just as fast as the RX-8 it's just not as quick because from a dig it's down on traction due to the FWD.

 

I don't think it's as light as you all may think. I redlined 1,2,3 and it felt very slow for 200hp....It doesn't even feel as fast as an integra gsr.

 

2860 is what C&D claims for weight, not bad by modern standards but a good bit heavier than the older tegs and SI. I haven't driven one so I can't comment on how fast it feels but the numbers don't lie.

 

well yes that sounds about right. It's wayyy heavier then it should be. YOu should go drive one and get back. Id be interested in what you think. I'm also a bit skeptical about this 190 whp. I'd like to see the dyno. I was actually excited to drive it and it just didn't impress me like I thought it would.

 

190whp is extremely mischevious

 

Not really, plenty of 05+ RSX Type S' have dynoed around or over 180whp, they also can get up to 15whp from an intake. So a generous dyno, factory freak, slightly better intake system for the SI, or uncorrected numbers and "almost 190whp" isn't a problem.