ASH8

2013 Honda Accord Sport vs. Toyota Camry SE vs. 2014 Mazda6 Grand Touring - Motor Trend

The Mazda’s performance stats, however, were completely relevant. Outpacing the Accord’s acceleration numbers by a couple tenths (0-60 in 7.4, quarter mile in 15.7 at 88.6) and splitting the others’ handling figures (0.84 g lat accel, 27.1 at 0.63 figure eight), the Mazda’s objective results placed at or near the top. Subjectively? It quickly earned reserved parking on the pinnacle. Evans: “Engine’s got plenty of zip. Never had to floor it, and it never felt weak or made the car feel heavy. Everything about this car is smooth and fluid. The way the steering comes off center, the way the suspension eases the chassis into corners, the way the throttle picks up, the way the brakes engage, the way it handles transitions. It’s perfect.” Jurnecka: “The steering is sublime, especially for this class. Weighting is just spot-on, and there’s a great amount of feel and precision. ‘Little’ things like this really make a huge difference in how a car feels.” The Mazda imparts a sense of gracefulness and driver-connectedness that is deficient in the others.

Made-in-Japan ’6 is definitely the driver’s drive in this three-way

ASH8

According to some here the new Mazda 6 is a 'pig'...

9krpmrx8

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Yeah Dannobre, you just don't get it

You know what they say about opinions.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2013/04...est-drive.html


The 6 in the MT comparison is over $6,000.00 more than the Accord Sport and $3,000.00 more than the Camry. How do you think the V-6 Accord or Camry would do against the 6?

"It's perfect"?

Give me a damn break.

ASH8

Who cares...the comparison is not about a V6..is it...give who a break?

The only reason it costs more is because it is "imported"...and has more in it...made in Japan ..

It is still a better car than the other I4's in this comparison...as most journalist around the world has also conferred..

Who says a/the car is perfect?

Wait for the 2.2 Diesel to compare with a V6...

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Who cares? Every buyer.

Why would I buy a 4 banger Mazda 6 for $31,000.00 when I could have better car for the same price?

Is it better than the other 4 bangers in that comparison? Barely, and it should be, it cost $6,000.00 more than the car it barely beat.

The guy in the MT article said:

The Mazda 6 is a lot of things but it is far from perfect. But then again, the guy who said that doesn't know **** and is the same guy who wrecked (flipped actually with no mention in his wonderful review of the ATS) the Cadillac ATS because he doesn't know how to drive so I guess he would think the 6 is perfect.

Ash8, do you really think these type of reviews are unbiased and uninfluenced?

TALAN7

If Honda put awd and a supercharger/turbo on the Accord coupe v6 I'd be all over it. I don't know why they won't.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

It's the 4 cylinder models of the Accord and Camry that sell like hot cakes. Most in that segment tend to care about reliability,MPG, and price first and foremost.

ASH8

It (this) is a 4 cyl engine comparison not anything else..

9krpmrx8 this comparo is no more 'biased' or 'influenced' than any other out there by any other motoring organizations...it is opinion, with some facts, in this case by more than one driver/reviewer @ the same loaction.....the end result is consistent with what other 'experts' are saying in other countries.

IF you have evidence to the contrary then post it....we would be interested....all car makers advertise.

Mazda in USA spend less than any other Japan maker in promotions (per car sold).....according to their ex Ford CEO Jim O's...part of his defense of his poor performance in NA.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

So then all four cylinder sedans are comparable then is what you are saying? I don't understand your logic. So then the 6 should be compared to a BMW 328xi and that would be fair? The BMW has about 60 more HP, AWD, 8 speed steptronic,etc., etc. and only costs about $6500.00 more than the Mazda 6 GT that was tested.

I agree, this review was not more influenced than any other review. All of the reviews are biased and largely done by unqualified people who are being wined and dined by the manufacturers to give good reviews. It is definitely an industry wide problem.

There is no evidence, only personal opinion. I will take my own personal driving experience of a vehicle and the personal opinion of someone else who has no reason to lie over the opinion of someone who gets paid to lie and embellish reviews any day of the week.

Motor Trend and most other rag reviews are biased and for the most part useless if you are wanting a truthful review.

ASH8

Starting prices in the USA for these base 4 cylinder engined models according to manufacturers websites..

$22,235 Camry
$21,680 Accord
$20,880 Mazda 6

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Why does the starting price matter? Was this review of base models? No, it was a full loaded Mazda 6 against a lesser equipped Accord and Camry.

ASH8

Go away..

GerryE

iTrader: (5)

I get the impression your just not a fan of the new Mazda6 for some reason.... I find the pricing a bit outrageous as well considering my parents just picked up a fully loaded CX-9 for 36K so not much more than a fully loaded 6

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

That's what I thought.

I like it just fine, but it is nothing special and in no way is it better than other cars in it's segment at the same price point. $31,200.00 for a 180HP 3200lb sedan is just crazy.

I love to discuss this stuff, I just don't get the fan boi support that this and others cars get by people who have probably never even driven one.

monchie

I used to have a 2005 Honda Accord, my parent's used to have a Toyota Camry (i forgot what year it is), now they have a 2010 Toyota Avalon...

Anyway, i drove those cars and i will gladly say that i think the Mazda 6 is sportier and better looking than those cars. Reliability i would guess the Accord and the Camry, but for me, i love my Mazda 6...

shazy

9krpmrx8
thank you. lol
and how are you going to compare the 2.2 diesel to the v6 models?!?!?!
v6 models are by far much faster and sound nicer.
Test drove one the other day, it's a great car, interior is nicely done with a surprisingly good auto transmission that auto blips downshifts on every command. Engine feels great and never feels slow, but it's not FAST. It would be nice if they could offer a turbocharged version and bring back the MS6, but I doubt that's going to happen.
Accord, Camry, Sonata 2.0t, all make much more power for a tiny bit more than the mazda 6.
In Canada, getting a gt Mazda 6 will cost around 40 000$, a 270hp sonata goes for the exact same price. Which would you rather go for?

ASH8

/\ Have you driven the SA 2.2 Turbo Diesel yet?...I have and it is very comparable with 'a' V6...it actually has way more usable torque...for normal drivers.

HUH?...The PWR is almost identical, so how can the Camry and Accord have 'much more' power?
The Accord is slightly ahead..I am talking 4 cylinder models.

This is not a 6 cylinder engined comparison.

Bladecutter

Ash,

You're better off just giving up for the moment.
The unwilling are not willing to compare the Mazda 6 4 cylinder car with the Accord and Camry 4 cylinder versions. All they are going to do is keep screaming "I can get a V-6 Accord and have MORE POWA" until you are blue in the face.

They refuse to acknowlege that Honda and Toyota both offer versions of their cars at the same exact price point as the Mazda does for it's fully loaded Grand Touring. Nor will they acknowlege the fact that you can detrim the Mazda 6 from the Grand Touring, yet still have leather, and the same 19 inch wheels (HELLO, it's called the TOURING), and beat the price point of the Accord and Camry, yet the driving dynamics stay exactly the same, if not improve because of less weight.

They have facts, they just choose not to acknowlege them, at all, because it lessens their opinion (one of which was formed on a brief test drive of his friend's fully loaded black GT, that obviously has a problem with it's transmission) when you point out their opinions aren't based on actual facts.

Just give up Ash.
Wait until the SA-D car arrives here in the US market (which you hate, btw), and then let's see how it fares against their precious V-6 equipped cars. I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that it will destroy all of them in fuel mileage, right from now.

BC.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Yes, the diesel Mazda 6 will be ground breaking

This thread is about a comparison of a $31,000 Mazda 6 that barely beat an Accord that cost $6,000.00 less. That is very impressive.

paimon.soror

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point well made in the first comment on that article lol..

Mazmart

iTrader: (12)

This is why MT made the great effort to make the following statement:

Truth is, none of the GT’s exclusives—leather, bi-xenon headlamps, paddle shifters, et al.—gave it an advantage on the scorecard. And since the Touring and GT are dynamically identical, we were willing to overlook the GT’s hefty price tag.

Read more: 2013 Honda Accord Sport vs. Toyota Camry SE vs. 2014 Mazda6 Grand Touring - Motor Trend

Paul.

MattMPS

i'm not so skilled in english to understand everything of that article (i mean the exact meaning of every phrase) ,but in my opinion the victory of the 6 in this comparo is not due by numbers, but for the global "feeling" of the car.

Camry and Accord are quite ugly and non-eurostyle IMHO..no hope for them here in EU even with a diesel under the hood.

Mazda is made in japan and both Honda and Toyota are made in US, no offense for you guys..but i prefer a 100% Jap-made car, talking about quality and reliability...

alnielsen

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I feel that quality and reliability is a top down issue. If the management is concerned about these issues, it doesn't matter where the car is assembled.

ASH8

Yeah right, lets get it made in India then ..

I guess it goes to show just how bad the management is in North America, where the outgoing 2009 GH Mazda 6 made in Michigan was the worst ever put together Mazda in history, more TSB's and recalls than any other Mazda made...Great US product...bit like Aussie cars really.

Plus there is another recall about to happen for the US made 6, that is the rear door flying open as owner goes around a corner, Why you ask, the person putting the bolts in the striker plate...well only one installed instead of two and did not torque them up.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...I2N/story.html

MattMPS

in my opinion a BMW 5 series sedan is better builded than an X5...i mean plastic interior parts coupling, cables into the hood...paintings..and so on

both are BMW, both are expensive..one is made in germany, the other is made in US....