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MIffed at MazdaSpeed6
Is anyone else irritated that the '06 has 274 turbocharged HP while we, the faithful, CRY for some sort of FI for our 8 from Mazda? I love my car, forever and a day. Please...no..."If you want a MazdaSpeed6 then go get one and shut up" crap. Just saying....aren't WE supposed to be Mazda's "Sports" car? Now a "Family" car made by our very own Mazda can even out class us. Just makes me sad....
Oh, and not that I want it on a 8, but it has AWD too.......for about 28K. What are we? Chopped liver? The Rotary Gods (not to be confused with out very own RotaryGod) are not smiling on us! |
It's not all about hp numbers, Kyle. The thing is pretty heavy. We are still King of the Mazda castle, if that's what you're worried about. It's a sedan, not a sports car.
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Oh I know Gomez, and agree with you. But still....
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I was originally going to get a MS6. But, it really just looks like a sedan. It's much better looking than the WRX, Evo and Legacy - but it is still a sedan. When I look at my RX-8, I get butterflies in my stomach and my heart races. That's worth more to me than HP numbers or AWD.
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I think it boils down to that Scrapula... I wish I could have an '03 body style Mazda 6, with AWD turbo.... And I want an RX-8... Choices choices......
I guess we will see what the wife says... |
It's not so much about a HP number as it is about the fact that the Flagship for Mazda Pride and Perfromance, the RX-8, seems to get back burner when it comes to improvements in the performance arena. While I do not believe that everyone that has an 8, or wants one, is looking for boosted performance, I believe most of us would like a Choice. We have no choice, while other models do. Options Mazda...Options. Would i have paid another 5k for 60 more ponies when I bought the car? That is questionable, but I know I would now. Especially if it came from Mazda and I could have it serviced at my favorite Dealer.
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The year, 1988.
RX7 conv. -$24,018 0-60 9.2sec 323GT-$13,900 0-60 7.4 626 Turbo-$16,900 0-60 7.4 929-$22,300 0-60 8.9 All from Car & Driver. Why should it be any different now? |
Originally Posted by TexasKyle
Is anyone else irritated that the '06 has 274 turbocharged HP while we, the faithful, CRY for some sort of FI for our 8 from Mazda? I love my car, forever and a day. Please...no..."If you want a MazdaSpeed6 then go get one and shut up" crap. Just saying....aren't WE supposed to be Mazda's "Sports" car? Now a "Family" car made by our very own Mazda can even out class us. Just makes me sad....
Oh, and not that I want it on a 8, but it has AWD too.......for about 28K. What are we? Chopped liver? The Rotary Gods (not to be confused with out very own RotaryGod) are not smiling on us! If it makes you feel better, Mitsubishi's 4 door "family car" (Lancer EVO) will easily outperform thier "sports car" (Eclipse). |
The car is fine, it has more than enough power. The problem is that most people don't know how to use the power it already has.
Take some driving classes, a faster driver is always better than a faster car. |
Yeah the speed 6 is heavy, but it's still fast (~5.3 0-60). It's not going to handle as well- even with the tighter suspension the sp6 still looks like it has a bit of body roll on the track, and I doubt the steering is nearly as tight. But I agree with you 110% Kyle, I would love to see some more mazda-backed options for the RX-8.
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^Ditto. Even a Limited Edition turboed car (like the Mazdaspeed Miata) would be great. :)
And yeah, the car is pretty heavy. Might be faster in a straight line (plenty of other cars are), but other than that I'm sure we absolutely have it beat. I really think Mazda's just trying to step up to the plate that other companies, like Nissan, pretty much have a chokehold on; affordable performance sedans. Having more performance cars (of any sort) in their corner is only going to help the company's image in the long run! |
Originally Posted by nt5k
The car is fine, it has more than enough power. The problem is that most people don't know how to use the power it already has.
Take some driving classes, a faster driver is always better than a faster car. |
Settle down, no one was dissing your driving skills. Just commenting that most people would benefit more from a quality high-speed driving class and track time than just an increase in power.
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Originally Posted by nt5k
Settle down, no one was dissing your driving skills. Just commenting that most people would benefit more from a quality high-speed driving class and track time than just an increase in power.
While true. This has zero effect on 90% of daily driving, which for most people is stop-and-go or highway, and is where the more power comes into play (eg passing, merging, etc). The best driving school in the world, will only make you marginally faster down a track straightaway. Then before you know it, you're stuck behind a more powerful car who can pass you (or stay ahead) on the straights and slows you down in the turns. You can't carry high speed out of a corner, if someone slower thru them is in front of you. So even if the MSP6 is a little slower through the corners, a stock 8 isn't going to be able to get around it, unless the track is very tight. --------- The 8 gave Mazda a bump in the recognition department, but has had relatively mediocre sales. The 3 has become the workhorse as far as profit is concerned, and the 6 doesn't do too shabby either. So which cars do you think get first dibs on a performance model. The one's they know they can sell. I could care less personally, the more money Mazda makes the better future rotary cars can become. |
Originally Posted by nt5k
Settle down, no one was dissing your driving skills. Just commenting that most people would benefit more from a quality high-speed driving class and track time than just an increase in power.
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Any truth to this, except for the expired dates?
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...id=38320&stc=1 |
Originally Posted by Raptor2k
Any truth to this, except for the expired dates?
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Originally Posted by Raptor2k
Any truth to this, except for the expired dates?
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I know, which is why I mentioned the dates...
That black 'RX-7' design is badass, imo. |
If history is an indication, MazdaSpeed versions only come out when a model makeover is about to occur hence the revamp of the Protege to the Mazda3, then the Miata to the MX-5 Miata, and it's obvious the Mazda6 is due for a makeover. The RX8, on the other hand, is still early in it's production.
The MazdaSpeed6 will be a limited run 1 or 2 years tops, but it is hotness alright. |
relax... I predict a speed8 in roughly 2 years
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^ditto
American consumers, so fickle... and impatient :o: |
btw have you driven a normal mazda6 kyle? not taking away anything from the 6 for everything that it is, but the feel of the car when you drive it, is just so, 'normal', like a family sedan normal... definitely not the sporty feel i get when i test drove the MX-5 or getting into my 8 every day
i doubt making it 'faster' will make it 'feel' more sportscar-like :o: |
Here's a former RX-8 owner's take on the Mazdaspeed 6:
I traded in my RX-8 for the Mazdaspeed6 last week. (mainly, because i now have 2 kids, and need a 4 door with a REAL back seat, but also because I wanted AWD). Here are my 1st impressions. 1st and 2nd gear are awesome, compared to the RX-8 it certainly pulls harder off the line (although having to shift at 6000rpm instead of 9500 does hurt the 0-60). 3rd gear has a large drop in power, and 4-6 are pretty much feeling like an average sedan. Overall the RX-8 is definitely a faster car, but for a sedan, this thing is great. I got the 2 tone black/white interrior which looks frickin' awesome. I also got a ski rack thrown on there, and it looks pretty mean with the rack up there. The car looks amazing, it handles very well, and in the rain it blows the RX-8 away (AWD Vs. RWD, so Duh!). It is a very comfortable ride in general. All in all, it feels like an even swap with the RX-8. I traded some high end power (RX-8 pulls hard through 4th gear, and even has some pull in 5th) for being able to bang my head against the seat in the low end, and floor it in the rain. In general I am happy with the trade. There are a couple negatives.. this car with stock rims and tires, handles snow horribly (uphil is mediocre, but downhill, you simply can't slow the car, you just Sllliiiiiiiide), and there don't seem to be any smaller steel rims you can buy for it so you are stuck paying $1200 bucks for 18" snow tires which arn't going to help you much. The gas mileage is about the same as the RX-8 (so pretty bad). It wouldn't beat an RX-8 on the track, but it would lead for about 2 seconds off the line (until you need to shift to 2nd and the RX-8 can just keep going for another 3 seconds). |
Originally Posted by JeRKy 8 Owner
Here's a former RX-8 owner's take on the Mazdaspeed 6:
This post came from http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123616428 |
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This issue has been around for decades: sporty cars vs muscle cars. Yes, sports cars have improved in the HP department and sedans have improved in the handling department, but the two still haven't quite met (I'm old enough to remember sports cars that rarely reached 100 HP while muscle car sedans had as much as 425 HP, or more).
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wish I could have an '03 body style Mazda 6, with AWD turbo.... The hood is also incredibly heavy, so going to an FMIC would also let you swap it with a CF one and shave off about 40-50 lbs (according to owners). Just get that painted at the same time. Then you'd be left with a completely stock looking 03/04, that weighs about 75 less then a standard mps 6 (even more so if you drop the stupid heavy 18's for lightweight 17's), and hauls complete ass. |
While I have not driven a Mazdaspeed 6, I did have a WRX for 3.5 years and it was a great car in the wet, especially in the scenario of big HP RWD cars trying to keep up! However, I feel that I can carry more speed and actually make better time in the 8 than I could in the WRX. The 8 is deceptively fast, in that you don't feel the pull, but when you look at the Speedo you are almost always going faster than you think.
I have had a run in with some Mustang GT's and sure the 8 can not match their accleration, but it can move quick enough to keep them in site and then out brake them and take turns a heck of a lot faster, some of this is based on the driver as was discussed earlier in the thread and some on the car. I have had some experience with racing schools and high performance driving scenarios and I think that this coupled with the abilities of the 8 does translate to certain gains in real world driving. Your results may vary, but I feel that the 8 is a superb sports car and will always put a smile on the face of the owner at the end of every day. Now if my wife wanted a Mazdaspeed 6, I think I would allow that! |
Originally Posted by mdaj
Here is the same former 8 owner impressions after break-in- http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showp...70&postcount=5
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but boy did his fanboi friends like the story.
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I like this quote in the one guys signature. Smart.
Originally Posted by showtege
I hit 110-130 all the time. Just because your car cant handel going that fast or you as the driver dont have the skillz to go that fast is no reason to be a ass hole. Maby if you wernt smoking weed or have weed in your car like a "idiot" you wouldnt be so perinoid about going fast. And if you think proteges arnt made to go fast than you dont watch GT or SCCA racing very often.
Why dont you by some Enzite to make your penis larger than you might have the ballz to go 130. http://www.anim8or.net/pics/MSP6_int2.jpg |
Haven't read through the whole thread but isn't this Mazda's plan:
2003 - Mazda 6 2004 - RX-8, Mazda 3 2005 - Mazdaspeed Miata 2006 - Mazdaspeed 6 2007 - Mazdaspeed 3 2008 - Mazdaspeed RX-8 |
Mazda6 was actually released in 2002 as a 2003 model....
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^ yeah my bad...updated.
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I like the Mazdaspeed6, but trade in my 8 for one...absolutely not.
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Hrm, lets see...
1.) That white interior will look like ass in no time 2.) He's totally full of shit about the Benz 3.) He's a moron for making claims about acceleration before he's even broken the car in and redlined it 4.) I don't think we'll ever see a Mazdaspeed RX-8, at least not one with FI 5.) The stock wheels are awful, then the guy goes out and buys Motegi's, nice choice, when do the neons and chrome gasdoor go in? :tool: |
Whoa, I missed a whole bunch of his posts. Apparently he thinks the 8 is almost a full second faster than the MS6 to 60,
f you don't believe me, just check out the factory 0-60 times, the RX-8 is almost a full second faster. |
Originally Posted by BlueEyes
Whoa, I missed a whole bunch of his posts. Apparently he thinks the 8 is almost a full second faster than the MS6 to 60,
Then he quote the MS6 0-60 as 6.1, which would mean the 8 does it in the low 5's!!! Could this guy be more full of shit? |
taken from here: http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdr...azdaspeed6.htm
"Acceleration is awesome. As tested by the Automobile Journalists Association of Canada (AJAC) at the recent Car of the Year "Testfest", the Mazdaspeed6 had a 0 to 100 km/h time of just 5.5 seconds – quicker than an Audi A4 3.2, BMW 330i, and Lexus IS350 - and 0.1 seconds faster than the smaller, lighter Subaru WRX. AJAC didn't test the Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Limited this year, but Subaru's official 0 to 60 mph time is 5.7 seconds. From 80 to 120 km/h, the Mazdaspeed6 took just 4.3 seconds, quicker than all of its rivals." and "The brakes are phenomenal. In independent AJAC braking tests from 100 km/h to 0 km/h, the Mazdaspeed6 stopped in 35.2 metres, 2 metres shorter than a 2006 Corvette Z06!" awesome! |
"The brakes are phenomenal. In independent AJAC braking tests from 100 km/h to 0 km/h, the Mazdaspeed6 stopped in 35.2 metres, 2 metres shorter than a 2006 Corvette Z06!" What does brake testing mean anyway? At least as far as I know there are no new cars that are not capable to block the wheels (no ABS) when braking very hard. So it's really a tire test and not a brake test. I doubt the 6 has better tires or more rubber per weight than the Corvette. |
Who knows, the C6 runs shitty ass runflats.
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I own a plain ol Mazda6(well the wife does, while I have the 8) and this Mazdaspeed 6 is going to be a great car if the one I have is any indication imo. I could see myself in it for sure and we shouldn't feel a bit jealous. The same argument everyone uses as to why they like the 8 better then streetlight to streetlight performance applies because handling will not compare. But the Mazda 6 is a headturner also and I cannot wait to get behind the wheel. I am so far under on her 6 I may talk her into trading up. A Mazdaspeed6 and a RX8 in the garage. I ain't hating on anything Mazda puts out.
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Originally Posted by globi
Are you sure that they didn't use a wall to brake it from 100 to 0?
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Originally Posted by TexasKyle
Is anyone else irritated that the '06 has 274 turbocharged HP while we, the faithful, CRY for some sort of FI for our 8 from Mazda? I love my car, forever and a day. Please...no..."If you want a MazdaSpeed6 then go get one and shut up" crap. Just saying....aren't WE supposed to be Mazda's "Sports" car? Now a "Family" car made by our very own Mazda can even out class us. Just makes me sad....
Oh, and not that I want it on a 8, but it has AWD too.......for about 28K. What are we? Chopped liver? The Rotary Gods (not to be confused with out very own RotaryGod) are not smiling on us! |
Originally Posted by Dinhx8
would you rather have an Acura RL over the NSX? The RL has more "hp" and its AWD..... ;)
http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/clap2.gif |
But the RL can carry 4 people and luggage. ;)
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Ya I kinda of doubt that a MPS 6 could ever outbrake a C6 Z06, especially since the Z06 is both lighter, and has considerably more rubber on the ground.
The MPS 6 is a great car, but its not capable of defeating the laws of physics, no matter how many smilies you use. |
Originally Posted by neit_jnf
"Acceleration is awesome. As tested by the Automobile Journalists Association of Canada (AJAC) at the recent Car of the Year "Testfest", the Mazdaspeed6 had a 0 to 100 km/h time of just 5.5 seconds – quicker than an Audi A4 3.2, BMW 330i, and Lexus IS350
I still want to see what C&D and Motortrend score the Mazdaspeed 6 before I accept the canucks' ratings. :bootyshak |
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