cjkim

Doesn't look like much of a source but...
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=13875

Ike

<waits for the whines about the Mazdaspeed RX-8> Which will never be produced I might add...

Dan 8

The MPS RX8 is on the way i was told by my friendly American contact that a supercharged MPS RX8 will be appearing in 2008 with 330hp Mazda apparently has developed it together with vorteck.

Ike

Yep, and tomorrow pigs will be flying out of my butt.

Razz1

Ike your not funny.

You are probably right!

Razz1

They have no choice. Mazda has to compete with Pontaic and the new S2000, not to mention other cars.

Dan 8

Mazda has already produced a MPS 3 , 6 AND THE MPS MX5 Is on its way Why wouldnt they do an MPS RX8 .??

Ike you may end up with a very sore bottom

Raptor2k

Speaking of the new S2000...got any info on it?

Ike

A Mazdaspeed 8 may happen, thought I highly doubt it. However it won't be the way your "contact in America" is claiming because that news is 2 years old.

lesper4

iTrader: (3)

oh they will make it eventually, everything elese is going in that direction. and a side note i think i see mroe rx-8 then mx-5 in my area.

DreRX8

Go to hell Ike

fizzer

Don't be hating Ike, with all the reecent momentum from MS, they're almost certain to make one. Look how long it took to come out with the original MS Miata. If the RX-8 continues to be produced (and all signs point to yes), then there will be a MS8, you can bank on it it. Its taking them longer to do the 8 because ensuring reliability and emissions on a factory FI rotary takes more R&D.

And while I'm more than happy with the stock power of my 8, I will probably trade up for a MS version

snizzle

Ike, be easy on the guy. He's got 36 posts and was just recently registered.

Dan, you need to do some reading about the Mazdaspeed 8 on our forums before you say something like that. You'll see that there are significant hurdles as far as how the Renesis was tuned that make FI very difficult. The aftermarket is sad for a car in it's 3rd model year and there's a reason for it. Mazda doesn't want another reliability nightmare (especially not one rotary related). I'm sure Mazda would love to release a FI Renesis that gets 5 MPG and can't pass emissions.

I'm with Ike on this one. I don't see a MS8 in the future.

snizzle

I can guarantee that we'll see a mspd MX5 before the 8. It'll be in response to the Sky Redline and Solstice GXP and would need to have at least 250 HP to be competitive. I'm guessing exact same setup that the msp 3 is getting? or would they have problems fitting that in?

DailyDriver2k5

I have to agree with Ike, you guys and gals are just going to have to wait and see, too much speculating going on about this car. The 8 has been out since 2004 and Mazda has introduced only 2 or 3 versions of the 8 that really don't focus on engine power. We have the Shinka edition, Europe and Japan has the Red edition and now there is that PZ or Prodrive edition with diffrent wheels, upgraded suspension,new spoilers, new mirrors and thats it, also only available in Europe and Japan.

Rumors are all we have about a MS edition 8 and power output from the Renesis.

fizzer

Oh ye of little faith. Mark my words the MS8s day will come.

Back OT - I think 250hp is right on for the MS mx5. It should be the same package as the MS3 and will be positioned to blow the doors off the sky redline and solstice GXP. Most auto mags already like it more than the skolstice for its feel and handling, they'll drool all over the same deal with more power.

Animagix

I think rotary's fuel economy problems would have to be fixed before they give the renesis more power. MS8 supercharged over the same crappy renesis would result in 8 mpg around town with normal driving. I am losing faith in what my renesis is capable of as opposed to 13B's from FDs, which are capable of 500+ whp.

dmp

Why do people think Ike 'hates' when he speaks the obvious?

IF Mazda could get more legal/reliable/whatever power from the renesis, I bet it'd already be done.

I think the ONLY hope for a MS8 is a new 3-rotor Renesis. Call it the 3xodus?

snizzle

That's easy. It's like Ron Artest. Everyone knows his rep around here so he gets treated as such.

Mazda cannot get more HP out of the Renesis w/o dipping below single MPG digits. Our cars are running so rich right now just to pass emissions in current form. So this leaves the tuners who aren't doing much either. Not to mention the fact that the MS3 is getting the Mazdaspeed treatment before the 8.

fizzer

Clearly there are design challenges with a MS8, as I already stated. That doesn't preclude its non-availability.

It would be Mazda's premier car, they're not just going to slap together something ala the MS 3 and 6 (not to say thier bad cars, but not a lot of R&D had to go into them and they aren't as representitive of Mazda spirit).

The argument that it can't be dome because it hasn't yet is not a good one. Look at high-end factory tuner or premier versions. The BMW M cars lag a few years behind the launch of their regular versions, the Porsche 911 Turbo is always a few years behind the newest generation, not sure about AMG, but I think its the same deal, Subaru launched an american WRX long before the STi came out, the lancer was around on these shores long before the EVO, its a pattern.

Most likely, mazda is taking thier time in perfecting their future flagship, I have no problem with that. Could I be wrong? Absolutely, but seeing the rapid growth of factory tuners in the current marketplace, I doubt Mazda will let the 8 slip by the wayside.

Oh and Ike, he just has some wierd passive agressive attitude towards the 8 which I don't understand. Scared that an MS8 will trounce your precious EVO? Feel left out because you just don't "get it" when it comes to the appeal of the 8? I dunno, whats your deal Ike?

Glyphon

why did the 3 get a MS version before the 8? because it was easier. they took the same turbo engine from the ms6 and slapped it into the ms3. only minimal developmental costs there. for the rx8, there isn't already a more powerful rotary in use someplace else (for a production car...and there aren't any 3 rotor renesis) that they could just drop in, so it requires more development resources (time and money). there was a little bit devoted a couple of years ago (remember the white, sc ms8), but i don't think much has been done since then. so, i'm not going to hold my breath for one to come out.

snizzle

Well the fact is nobody has any clue but Mazda. Personally, I just see too many hurdles and there's a point where the cost of R&D on such a project prohibits it's development and subsequent release. They don't make all that much money on the 8 as opposed to the 3 or 6.

Mazda decided to use a 4 port engine in that car for some reason. It's the only proof we have that Mazda is even thinking about an MS8 and we've heard nothing since. At least they haven't told us they aren't making it. We all know after the FD that Madza won't let that happen again on a rotary which was why the Renesis was designed to get the most out of it in NA form. It clearly was not an engine designed for FI.

Mazda take all the time you want (well maybe not THAT much time), but give us at least a little clue that you're still working on it. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see one and would consider buying if it was at least 300HP.

Red Devil

I think we spend way too much time, collectively, worrying about an MS 8.

As for the MS MX-5, with the Solstice GXP on the way, I believe this was a necessity and an easy one becaue the 2.3 MZR turbo is already developed and ready to go. I can't wait to see what it will do and how it will compare to the GXP.

DARKMAZ8

I think emissions is the biggest hurdle regarding the 8.

therm8

Haven't you people learned anything...

Mazda doesn't participate in horsepower competitions. They always do what they want to do, not what their competitors do. Otherwise we'd have seen a supercharged 8 by now. I really don't think they give a rat's *** how much power the turbo kappa cars will have. They'll give the speed Mx-5 just enough to make it drive like they want it to. More than likely it'll have a modest boost in power, and some suspension tweaks. I highly doubt it'll get 250hp, but maybe Mazda'll change their M.O.