alnielsen

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kvndoom

I hope like hell that's a typo. A 40 highway diesel will never sell.

nycgps

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40 mpg for SkyActiv D ??!?!?!?!?!

I really hope they mean SkyActiv-G, even for the G that's not so "good" in today's standard ...

reddozen

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40 MPG is great for a non hybrid gasoline engine... diesel... not so much.

SayNoToPistons

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With 340 lb-ft of tq (if not more in production form), I think it is quite good in comparison to a 2.0 TDI. Figures from the 2.0 TDI Jetta is rated 40 hwy with 235lb-ft of tq. Not to mention the modified Mazda 6 platform they used to test the Skyactiv - D is a prototype and is bigger than a Jetta.

EPA ratings are known to understate the gas mileage of diesels. A friend of mine owns a 2010 Jetta TDI sedan that regularly gets 40+ average MPG. That is in NYC. I expect the Skyactiv - D to get above rated also.

Also take into consideration that the BMW 335d has 425lb-ft of tq and gets 23 city/36 hwy. The same friend who owns the TDI has a 2011 335d. Properly quick car. WIth some romping every now and then, he can easily get 35 MPG mixed.


Here is a video I post a few days ago in another thread if anyone missed it. Same Canadian media preview gallery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNRRJxjMisg

nycgps

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don't get me wrong, 40 MPG is not bad, but it's not super great either, consider Hyundai already got 40 mpg for their Elantra, and Elantra has the same target market as Mazda3 Sedan and hatch.

Mazda's SkyActiv is not getting the best performance in USA/Canada anyway, thanks to our unstable garbage gas, we will only 13.5:1 ratio. We can probably get a few more mpg if we can get 14:1

Close enough, Hyundai already have 13:1 compression ratio. and they're getting about the same performance.

but we will not know for sure until the car is actually "here".

One more thing to notice is that we might/might not get the i-Stop.

we know EPA's rating is full of ****, so Let's hope SkyActiv-D can get much more than 40 mpg.

kvndoom

If they're talking about the CX5 getting 40MPG, well then that's stellar. If they're talking about the 3, they might as well not bother. (I can't watch the video right now because Flash isnt working for some reason)

SayNoToPistons

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It is a modified Mazda 6 platform, which is larger than the Mazda 3 and CX-5.

nycgps

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larger than the 3. yes I agreed

don't know about CX-5. as Mazda6, Japanese version or US. is not that much bigger than the 3. the CX-5 is probably about the same size as the Mazda6.

I hope they get more mpg for the 3 platform ... cuz Mazda3 is Mazda's "hot cake" and that's where most of the money came from (Mazda sold 3 Million Mazda3 since it's 2003 launch)

I can't wait, give us what we want already, Mazda !!!

Mazmart

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Mazda has already got EPA ratings on the Skyactiv 3 I believe at 40mpg highway. None of it's competition achieve the same with equivalent hp and torque. Mazda's Skyactiv technology allows them to use a 2.0L while everyone else is squeezing a 1.8 to achieve that mileage or in Ford's case, not achieve that mileage and still fall short in power.

Mazda has them beaten .

Paul Thomas

Skyactiv representative

nycgps

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rofl. well, that is true but, most buyers often pay attention to the "XX MPG" more than the engine's displacement. and that's one of the reason why I got the Hyundai Sonata Hybrid over a Mazda6 with their i4 ... even tho I like Mazda 6 better.

I mean it is a big jump from current Mazda's lineup, My Mazda3 now has like what 22/29 MPG rating? real lilfe is about 18-19 (sad)

so If I get the SkyActiv-G Mazda3, I expect the real life mpg to be something in the 28-32 range. pretty good, about the same as my Hybrid.

What I'm really waiting for is their SkyActiv-D. too bad it won't be out for another year.

ASH8

Al..actually the link above has the engine pic 'descriptions' incorrect...
the SA D is the Gasoline SA Engine and the SA G is the Diesel engine.

Just sayin...

alnielsen

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I'm not the author or the editor.
I guess that's what happens when a tech news group tries to write about cars.

ASH8

I know bud...all good..I was not calling you out or anything

I did not know either until I just looked closely at latest Mazda EPC on the 2.0 SA G engine.

https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/mazda-2-0-skyactiv-pe-engine-parts-details-here-221919/

JesiCanon

EPA ratings are known to understate the gas mileage of diesels. A friend of mine owns a 2010 Jetta TDI sedan that regularly gets 40+ average MPG. That is in NYC. I expect the Skyactiv - D to get above rated also.

TeamRX8

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somebody needs to show the rep in the vid how to pronounce Mazda

paimon.soror

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I was looking at an article recently posted by mazda's facebook page. One thing I noticed, and that they mentioned, was that the position of the cat is so awkward that simple modifications may be difficult. I guess the cat sits sideways across the header, which is a 4-2-1 design. Looks like they took a page out of the older Civic DX/LX models where the Cat was actually part of the header and there weren't any simple exhaust modifications available because of that.

But I guess it hasn't really been established that the SA engines are the ones you want if you want to consider modding.

ASH8

More info on the Aussie Spec Mazda 3 with 2.0 SA engine with i-stop...Only AUTO...here.

Paul...as you confirmed you guys are getting the Mazda 3 with SA 2.0 in a Manual Trans and Auto trans, but NO i-Stop..

As the GoAuto article says...no manual is available with this engine...

I am thinking that perhaps the US are not getting the i-stop system because there is no Manual Trans with i-stop in SA yet??

There is an i-stop Manual coming here from what I can see in EPC , but only with MZR engine.

Impressive Fuel Economy stats...

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257918001DA2F1

ASH8

You mean everyone else has it right except some Yankee's...

Marzda...indeed.
Neesarn...
Fi-art.
Subru..

dynamho

It's actually pronounced, mat-su-da or mats-da, in Japanese.

ASH8

Having been through Hiroshima factory a few times I can assure you the Japanese (Mazda) do not pronounce it that way at all..

Mr Jujiro Matsuda was actually the founding family owner/president of Toyo (Cork) Kogyo Co Ltd

Much later Kouhei Matsuda became the modern president

nycgps

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they pronounce it like "Maaaa-sss-tsu-daaa" Which is really the way Matsuda sound.

but people outside of Japan might have a hard time to read the word "Matsuda", so they just changed it to Mazda.

Mazmart

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Okay, what's the deal with the 14:1 compression? Has Mazda done it again? Has the marketing arm jumped the gun? We were told the US was getting 13:1 to accommodate our 87 octane petrol.

Both Mazda Japan and Mazda Australia show 12:1 for the Axela and Mazda USA don't as yet show the 3 on their site at all. Could it be that Mazda North American Operations is trying to keep out of further screw ups and is verifying specs before releasing bogus number?

This is my first Skyactiv disappointment. I hope I'm misunderstanding something.

Paul.

dynamho

Japanese 2 alphabet sets are syllabic.
Mazda is written with 3 characters (3 syllables) in Japanese - ma tsu da.
'u' sound sometimes disappears depending on speaker, ie, 'desu' or 'dess' at the end of sentences. The 'ts' sound sometimes becomes slurred into 'tz' depending on speaker.

@00:58 you can hear the fully enunciated version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cST7atvUrrw

Mazmart

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Now that I stopped freaking out, I saw that Mazda has always said it was 12:1 on the 3 due to the lack of room for the sophisticated exhaust that will arrive in the CX-5.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2011...IEWS/110809919

Paul.