Mazda DB1 "Aston Martin clone" concept
10-21-2005, 02:55 AM
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ahh the rumor mill
Guys,
As much as I would like to confirm or deny everything on here... I can't yet!
Some things I can say about this concept coupe.
-Not the Senku... no real relation except *maybe rotary*
-RWD
-Platform 4-cylinder and Rotary capable (will debut as piston)
-design still evolving but close to final
-this is the coupe that has been mentioned and speculated on for a few years now; at least at RotaryNews.Com.
Now some speculation and fact to add to the fire... with the automatic RX-8 now getting the 6-port motor, what do you think Mazda is going to do with all those 4-port motors?!?
-Bern
As much as I would like to confirm or deny everything on here... I can't yet!
Some things I can say about this concept coupe.
-Not the Senku... no real relation except *maybe rotary*
-RWD
-Platform 4-cylinder and Rotary capable (will debut as piston)
-design still evolving but close to final
-this is the coupe that has been mentioned and speculated on for a few years now; at least at RotaryNews.Com.
Now some speculation and fact to add to the fire... with the automatic RX-8 now getting the 6-port motor, what do you think Mazda is going to do with all those 4-port motors?!?
-Bern
10-21-2005, 07:21 AM
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Now some speculation and fact to add to the fire... with the automatic RX-8 now getting the 6-port motor, what do you think Mazda is going to do with all those 4-port motors?!?
10-21-2005, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bern
with the automatic RX-8 now getting the 6-port motor, what do you think Mazda is going to do with all those 4-port motors?!?
-Bern
-Bern
unless you are suggesting that still leaves them with extra capacity for a second car?
10-21-2005, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
i asked that question bern. the answer i got was the castings are no different- the just make different holes. so the just cut more 6ports. Unless you are suggesting that still leaves them with extra capacity for a second car?
-Bern
10-21-2005, 04:21 PM
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bern please don't get in trouble by reveling anything you may or may not know, Im sure no one here wants that.
MAZDA GIVE US A PIC OR SKETHC!!!!!!!
I hope mazda does't take forever to bring this car out.
MAZDA GIVE US A PIC OR SKETHC!!!!!!!
I hope mazda does't take forever to bring this car out.
10-21-2005, 04:42 PM
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Here is what Mazda is saying officially on it's Design Future
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Senku concept hints at Mazda's design direction
TOKYO -- Mazda Motor Corp. showed a concept vehicle that hints at design ideas for a decade from now.
The Senku concept, unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show, likely will not carry the design of the next generation of Mazda vehicles but instead the generation after that, executives said.
Moray Callum, Mazda's design chief, said the Senku's "very strong shoulder," which emphasizes the front wheel arch, likely will make its way into Mazda design.
"We don't know if it's the next generation," Callum said. "We asked designers to stretch and say where we would be in 10 years' time. I'd be very happy if this is where we were in 10 years."
Mazda's designers were instructed to find "new graphic expressions and new proportions" with the Senku, said Norihito Iwao, lead designer of Mazda's advance design group.
Mazda Motor CEO Hisakazu Imaki said he and Executive Vice President John Parker gave designers "strict instructions for instilling "zoom-zoom" into the design." However, "we gave them no details," Imaki said.
Added Parker: "Many designs of concept vehicles are close to production. We decided it was time to give our designers some freedom of expression to stay on the leading edge."
Mazda's Japanese studios in Hiroshima and Yokohama, as well as its California and Germany studios, are competing to create Mazda's new design language. The German studio created a small car for the Frankfurt auto show in September. The Senku came from Yokohama. The California studio will create a concept vehicle for the Detroit show in January.
The Senku's body-side sheet metal has the optical illusion of "flame surfacing" similar to the BMW Z4. But the apparent concave-to-convex sheet metal bending is actually two convex surfaces joined at a crease. By doing that, the car's rocker panel area swoops under the car more dramatically, Iwao said.
"We needed tension in the side panel. The engine is behind the front axle, so we needed to show the energy coming out of the car. That's why there is no negative (concave) panel," Iwao said.
Jim Hall, an analyst with AutoPacific in Southfield, Mich., said here that there are two ways to design a design-theme car. One is as a sheet metal sketch, which bears no resemblance to anything in the lineup. The other is as a theme car, which shows a deliberate and obvious direction toward an existing vehicle. The Senku is the former, Hall said.
"The Senku has a lot of ways it can be interpreted," Hall said. "It gives latitude for designers in the future, but how much of this ends up in actual cars depends on the vehicle type and positioning. We'll probably just see a part here and a part there."
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Senku concept hints at Mazda's design direction
TOKYO -- Mazda Motor Corp. showed a concept vehicle that hints at design ideas for a decade from now.
The Senku concept, unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show, likely will not carry the design of the next generation of Mazda vehicles but instead the generation after that, executives said.
Moray Callum, Mazda's design chief, said the Senku's "very strong shoulder," which emphasizes the front wheel arch, likely will make its way into Mazda design.
"We don't know if it's the next generation," Callum said. "We asked designers to stretch and say where we would be in 10 years' time. I'd be very happy if this is where we were in 10 years."
Mazda's designers were instructed to find "new graphic expressions and new proportions" with the Senku, said Norihito Iwao, lead designer of Mazda's advance design group.
Mazda Motor CEO Hisakazu Imaki said he and Executive Vice President John Parker gave designers "strict instructions for instilling "zoom-zoom" into the design." However, "we gave them no details," Imaki said.
Added Parker: "Many designs of concept vehicles are close to production. We decided it was time to give our designers some freedom of expression to stay on the leading edge."
Mazda's Japanese studios in Hiroshima and Yokohama, as well as its California and Germany studios, are competing to create Mazda's new design language. The German studio created a small car for the Frankfurt auto show in September. The Senku came from Yokohama. The California studio will create a concept vehicle for the Detroit show in January.
The Senku's body-side sheet metal has the optical illusion of "flame surfacing" similar to the BMW Z4. But the apparent concave-to-convex sheet metal bending is actually two convex surfaces joined at a crease. By doing that, the car's rocker panel area swoops under the car more dramatically, Iwao said.
"We needed tension in the side panel. The engine is behind the front axle, so we needed to show the energy coming out of the car. That's why there is no negative (concave) panel," Iwao said.
Jim Hall, an analyst with AutoPacific in Southfield, Mich., said here that there are two ways to design a design-theme car. One is as a sheet metal sketch, which bears no resemblance to anything in the lineup. The other is as a theme car, which shows a deliberate and obvious direction toward an existing vehicle. The Senku is the former, Hall said.
"The Senku has a lot of ways it can be interpreted," Hall said. "It gives latitude for designers in the future, but how much of this ends up in actual cars depends on the vehicle type and positioning. We'll probably just see a part here and a part there."
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-Bern
10-30-2005, 06:07 PM
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HEY i just got this last night. got meaning understand. see the Mazda3 is outselling civic in many places. But what Mazda doesnt have is a 3 coupe. so this is probably a Mazda3 coupe to compete with the Civic Si! It probably wont share any body panels with the sedan or 5 door just like the 5 door doesnt share any with the sedan. So it would be a MX-3 and they are leaving open having a rotary option so it would double as the RX-3. heheheheheheheheh cant wait for the auto shows now!! 
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Originally Posted by zoom44
see the Mazda3 is outselling civic in many places. But what Mazda doesnt have is a 3 coupe. so this is probably a Mazda3 coupe to compete with the Civic Si! It probably wont share any body panels with the sedan or 5 door just like the 5 door doesnt share any with the sedan.
10-31-2005, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
which part?
But, I really don't think it is a mazda3 coupe. The car a had much more sleek design than the mazda3. I suppose that anything could happen though.
11-04-2005, 01:17 PM
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LOL, that report could have been made up from someone that read this thread. If you read it, it sounds like somone just read this thread, then wrote a story about it.
I don't believe it yet.
I don't believe it yet.
11-04-2005, 01:48 PM
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interesting.
The most obvious question if true is why, but it could be that with the rotary hybrid Mazda5, they are simply out of capacity, or they decideded to use to extra capacity they had for some other vehicle.
We know the 4ports are available, and 4ports have historically always been the FI blocks.
let the rumor mill run wild. I'm still surprized Mazda is building another sports car.
The most obvious question if true is why, but it could be that with the rotary hybrid Mazda5, they are simply out of capacity, or they decideded to use to extra capacity they had for some other vehicle.
We know the 4ports are available, and 4ports have historically always been the FI blocks.
let the rumor mill run wild. I'm still surprized Mazda is building another sports car.
11-04-2005, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
HEY i just got this last night. got meaning understand. see the Mazda3 is outselling civic in many places. But what Mazda doesnt have is a 3 coupe. so this is probably a Mazda3 coupe to compete with the Civic Si! It probably wont share any body panels with the sedan or 5 door just like the 5 door doesnt share any with the sedan. So it would be a MX-3 and they are leaving open having a rotary option so it would double as the RX-3. heheheheheheheheh cant wait for the auto shows now!!
Originally Posted by zoom44
wait until the Detroit Show. a 2 door 4 seat piston with a rotary option is on the way.
https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/rx3-concept-loses-rotary-75944/
^^^^we have for a long time^^^^^
11-04-2005, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp
LOL, that report could have been made up from someone that read this thread. If you read it, it sounds like somone just read this thread, then wrote a story about it.
I don't believe it yet.
I don't believe it yet.
RN.COM don't spout BS 
but others heard too... see:
http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...4&article=9573
Cheers,
-Bern
11-04-2005, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by brillo
interesting.
The most obvious question if true is why, but it could be that with the rotary hybrid Mazda5, they are simply out of capacity, or they decideded to use to extra capacity they had for some other vehicle.
We know the 4ports are available, and 4ports have historically always been the FI blocks.
let the rumor mill run wild. I'm still surprized Mazda is building another sports car.
The most obvious question if true is why, but it could be that with the rotary hybrid Mazda5, they are simply out of capacity, or they decideded to use to extra capacity they had for some other vehicle.
We know the 4ports are available, and 4ports have historically always been the FI blocks.
let the rumor mill run wild. I'm still surprized Mazda is building another sports car.
-Bern