where did you find that? i'm looking at this site

i guess it does say permissible speed.

nvrmind, i see it now at the top. that's better.

I can see 150k-175k tops. For 375 it better be better than a Veyron.

Better in what way? I would take this over a veyron. Well, unless it was free. Then I would take the veyron, sell it, and buy the LF-A and have lots of extra money. But if I could afford either one and had my choice between just those 2, then the LF-A would be my pick, hands down.

yeah because $375K and $1.2million are kinda simular,,, you know kinda...

I'm quoting a friend of mine on this one...

I d say your friend is pretty retarded,,,

and I'd say opinions are like assholes


They gave the bomex supra a facelift! hooray
http://www.sennsports.co.uk/pictures...rgtr%20027.jpg
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i actually think its pretty ugly. i would never want one, and couldnt justify paying more than about $80k for it.

i'd sell a kidney, my children and all my friends children for the DBS tho.

How is it ugly?

People this car has nothing to do with the Supra in anywhich way,,,

Facts are this car is a demonstration of what Toyota learned in F1 not some 15 year old riced out overwieght uneconomical bloated wanna be,,,

how is it good looking?

Its still a Toyota.:banghead::banghead:

win

im trading my 8 tomorrow for one of these lexus and see what the fuzz its all about :)

1) obviously it's not related to the supra, but toyota should have tried a little harder to NOT give it supra related features...

2) did you just say the LFA is economical?

i don't think it looks like the supra.. it has some features, but you're only relating it to the supra because it's from the same company

Actually yes, at $375K the lucky 500 people who will own will have stolen it, in reality Toyota is taking a huge hit on every single one, it cost about half a mil to make and when considering that it cost Toyota about $450 million per year for the last 5 years to learn what they did in F1 to produce it, its the most economical exotic in the world,,,

ok i dont think it looks bad but ive lost interest in it like i feel its less WOWing everytime i see more pics ... still good looking but the specs are killing it i mean 3.7 secs! there are already a bunch of cars that can do that heck the ZR1 can do it with a v8 so can the new Ferrari so i mean while i get the point of toyota showing what theyve learned in f1 it doesnt really come across coz if they learned so much how come they cant make it faster or more "affordable" like nissan (GTR i dont like it but its definitely bang for the buck) Just saying i would personally pick something "cooler" even if i did have that money to spend ...

And if Toyota just learned about bettering themselves in F1 by making this car I really feel sorry for them. Because Ferrari has been making F1 -esc cars for over 40 years now. Every Ferrari you buy especially the new ones of late has some sort of F1 technology in it.

And someone mentiond that your buying so much advanced technology when you buy this LF-A, what the hell do you think your buying when you buy a Lamborghini or a Ferrari or a Mclaren F1? A car with 20th century technology? I don't think so... From the frames, to the wheels, suspension and body , its all the state of the art advancement in technology being used for today and tomorrow purposes.

There is a reason why guy A can run his Ferrari into a bridge support at a 100 mph and walk away from it and guy B who drives his Lexus IS350 into the same bridge support will die at sudden impact.

Those Ferrari's and other super cars may look fragile but they have alot tougher skin underneath than one would think. All due to some serious technological work in place.

I really like the LF-A , but 375k is too steep especially when other cars for far more less are just as advanced a.k.a , R8, ZR-1 , GT-R and soon to be released GT-R spec V.

^ very well said and i agree 100 %

I think it looks sharp

corvette zr1. 3 seconds faster than a ferrari enzo around the nurburgring for 1/10th the price. as far as value for money, that can cannot be beat. and i'm postive that vette will drive this thing into the ground as well.

yes and Ferrari is the most winningest team in F1 ever, they inject the technology that is developed into every car they produce and it show, and has shown for 60+ yrs,,,

Lamborghinis on the other hand have never been technology driven they have just been about lavishness and outlaw-esque power, they themselves(upper management) have always been of the mindset that they actually refuse to get involved with competitive motorsports, and its true, the few and far between entries in the LMS, ALMS, EUGT etc. etc. have all been privateer efforts with no factory support and thats why they fail so miserably. Lamborghinis were always reknown for being deathtraps. Its only been the last couple yrs that they have actually been technical marvels due to the fact by being acquired by Audi, a motorsports giant from the begining,,,

The LFA is technical symphony, everything about it screams advanced proccess, advanced materials, and advanced and superior ways to bring that technology to the street, that being said, the most exciting thing about this demosnstration(thats really what it is) is what technology will be trickled down into other Toyotas like the FT-86 and others that will be coming out in the next 5-10 yrs...

Same with the ZR-1 , I had the privelege to talk some of the race engineers at Sebring for an hour this year . To sum it up at the end of our conversation , they said the ZR-1 is basically a street version of the C6-R that they race and use for technical data on.

The ZR-1 uses almost all the technology that is used in its race car evil twin. It uses carbon fiber and other exotic materials for strength and reliability . And the info that is recorded from there race cars is trickled down to other high performance GM cars and trucks that are driven on our roads everyday. Race proven performance, race proven reliability at a fraction of the price to play.

So why should the public pay $375k again?Is it the name plate, no. Can't be for the racing heritage ? Plenty of name plates have just about the same or more.It couldn't be for the limitited edition status because the ZR-1 is a limited production base car too.

So why the $ 375k again?

well its almost equivocal, LFA - 500 units - $375K, ZR1 - 2000 units - $120K

Plus like you cited, the ZR1 has all the ALMS tech, and Corvette racing has been completely dominant in its GT1 and even signs of being dominant in GT2, which is a car that even resembles the street ZR1 more closely, Toyota just needed an injection to revitalize the co, and this is it, they will absolutely not make a single penny off of it(actually loose about $100K on each one) but its just a statement saying hey look we can make a highly advanced sports car too,

Dont worry about the price yet, like I said, the tech in the next 5 yrs is what we should be focusing on, when they start to implant this tech into 370Z(or whatever it might be by then) competitors like the FT86,,, thats when the real fun starts,,,

HEHEHEHE,almost...:cwm27:

The reason its 375k is not because its ahead of the curve technically, its because toyota designed and researched all its technology in house (when it of course existed already in a 3rd party company.)

I'm not bashing the research poured into it, but don't claim its the cream of the crop.

Ummm did I miss something, If corvette were to have released the ZR1 at 500 units I bet it would have been much higher than $375K and then the public would be reacting the same way,,, Exclusivity comes at a price, especially when there are such high expectations,,,

Exactly,,, and they even advertise that in the promo video,,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsXsdNgov0

Yeah but even at 1000 or 2000 units it's still pretty exclusive and it would have cut the overhead cost per car in half or even by 4X. I know the carbon fiber work is pretty expensive, which may be the major cost driver in this case but it seems like they could have gotten the cost down a lot more and still been very exclusive.

Again I'm not knocking the car. Just the price point.

^ honestly i do agree with you thats when the fun starts BUT they need to make it economical and thats what i doubt they will be able to do in the next 5 or even 10 years coz they can throw the technology into a 370z but if they wanna charge 300k for it they might as well make only 500 coz i dont think anyone wants a 370z for 300k or even 200k see what i mean?

yeah well Nissans only source for any R&D is JGTC, not nearly the same as F1,,,
Series like ALMS, JGTC, BSTC, etc etc is where you take yrs to improve on what youve got and bring it to its highest level of performance, its a evolution, thats why the newest base model corvette can spank the shit out of a Z06 from three yrs ago, F1 is a whole different animal, where you are forced to "invent" new technology every few months just to have a prayer at a decent spot on the grid,,,

I kinda aggree alittle with everyone who is slamming the price point but again its not about the price and its not about bringing that tech to people like us who cant afford a $375K car, its about a new begining for Toyota, saying "we're ready to take on the world, we know we are the best car manufctuer, and heres another reason we thought we show all of you"

I think ppl forget,

1. the car weighs 3.2k pounds. You must ask your self, how can a car with a V10 as a engine weigh that much. Well its pretty easy, its the material they used to build the car. The car pretty much weighs as much as RX8. So the material they used, must cost them a pretty penny.

Just like Ferraris, mclarens, astons etc.

2. the Technolgy in this car, must cost a alot also.
How many cars do you know, that allows you to set how the engine will preform on a fly? besides Ferrari, Mclarens, Aston etc?

3. i know when you look at this car, it doesnt say 375k. but your forgetting, what is the price to actually build this car? everything in this car was hand built pretty much, just like your mcarlens, Astons, ferrari. So pretty much your paying for , Technogly, etc, not on how the car looks.

If i was to compare Ferrari/mclaren F1 car to say toyota/honda F1 car. you will notice that these cars look alike. but what makes Ferrai/Mclaren cost much over toyota/honda, is what they spent on technolgy.

which the same goes for this car.
now i am not defending lexus or anything. but its pretty obvious that building this car cost alot of money.

also like ferrari etc, they are not mass producing this car. which is also cost alot of money to do.

^^ now you have a point and i know f1 is way ahead of anything technologically and i also agree its about toyota showing the world they got what it takes to build a supercar ... but see with deep enough pockets i think even kia could build one its about building something with limited resources and making it available to the public. take the 370z for instance (personally i dont like it) but shit that this is bang for the buck just like the GTR and the ZR1 and im not a racing fan but the zr1 doesnt have any f1 background yet its faster? and the zr1 is pretty dam exclusive plus it has the 'corvette" name to go with it .... and its not just the vette take the gtr too plus with only 500 being made its probably gonna land in car collections and in the hands of people who will "cruise" in it ... whats the fun in that ... do you see my point? i mean i think the car is pretty good looking and has some serious tech but when you can have better tech better looks at a lower price with a nametag like Ferrari what is the point of this car then? btw when r u gnna put out the hood vents i want them soo bad lol

Definitely. Remember Ferrari, Lambo has been building exotic cars for many years. Their development is more of an evolution of their technology. For example, Ferrari's Dino (V10 + V12) based engine was used from the 1960s thru early 2000s.

Toyota in this case, started from a clean sheet, engine AND platform.
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The best example for me to use is, PS3 Vs 360.

When you look at both consoles, they are pretty much equal.
But when you actually look to see what made the PS3 cost 600.00 at launch, vs 360 300.00. then you might get a bigger picture why this car cost so much

1. PS3 came with Blue Tooth, were 360 is infrared . so we know blue tooth will cost more then infrared. Because blue tooth is new technology ,where infrared has been out for mannnnny years.
2. Blu ray drive for the ps3, where 360 uses DVD. The price for Blu ray driver was way more then the dvd technology that has been out for 10 years prior.
3. Wifi for the ps3, and hardconnect, were 360 is just hardconnect.


So when you take all what I have listed for the ps3, and use the same tech as the 360. The price for the ps3, would have been the same as the 360. But since PS3 has new technology, then your paying the price of what the technogly would cost during that time period.

Which pretty much what lexus has done. The tech you see in this car, you will not see it in your vette, or GTR, or any mass produce car today.

The technology in this car, will be out for your conventional cars. But not any time soon.

^ great comparision actually and of course the gtr or vette cant compare to the technology of the lfa but what about the ferarris? their technology is on par IF not better for less ... am i right?

yes, but when you compare the things you find in the cockpit of the LF-A vs the Ferrari. you can see, ferrari doesnt even come wtih nearly half what you see in this LFA.

Its like sitting inside a Lotus, EVo etc. they dont come with fancy gadgets , but yet how they perform, determines how much tehy cost.


when you look at ferrari, it also doesnt come with lots of fancy gadgets. but your paying for how they built the car, how many hands (not machines) touched this car, what type of material was used to keep the car light, and the engine.

LFA your paying for all the new technogly what you see in the cockpit, and the rest is built like ferrari's (hand stitched seats, etc).

funny you should mention, not Kia but Hyundai, - http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/22/v...-named-spirra/

The ZR1 has yrs upon yrs of development wrapped up from ALMS, doesnt have any new tech it just makes what it has work better than everyone else, just like I said before,,,

My stuff will be done when its done, that thread has gotten way off track, it was initially intended to show people how to build things and why I was building them, the last couple pages have just been "when can I buy it", I really had no intention from the begining to sell the stuff but I can, when all of it is finished,,,

Lamborghini Gallardos don't cost in the $300s, Murcielagos do. And to be honest, if I'm paying 375K on a supercar, it wouldn't be a Toyota. I'm getting a Murcielago LP640-4.

It's that or:
A. Save money and get an Audi R10 (an Audi R8 with the Gallardo's V10; Audi does listen to automotive criticism)
or
B. Put in an extra 100K and get a Murcielago LP670-4 SV ... a hyper-car http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4qyFnu1etA

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... I'm a Lambo fan.

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Track focused LFA may be in the works,,,
Autoblog - http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/23/l...used-stripped/

We're still trying to wrap our heads around yesterday's drive of the Lexus LFA, but before we give up the goods on Toyota's first V10-powered hypercar (check back on Monday), we cornered Paul Williamsen, the National Manager of Lexus College, about ToMoCo's plans to offer a harder, track-focused LFA.

In the last few years of development, Lexus considered building several more LFAs to be used in a one-make spec series to pit wealthy privateers against each other, further accentuating the LFA's extensive motorsport involvement. That plan fell by the wayside when Toyota decided to limit production to just 500 units.

However, Lexus is actively considering offering owners the option to purchase a decontented LFA, stripped of its luxurious, tech-laden interior and fitted with more track oriented features to be used as a weekend racer. A final decision hasn't been made yet, but Williamsen was clear that these hardened LFAs would have to be created out of the current allocation, as Lexus is intent on keeping production to a "hard" 500 units. Considering that nearly all the components fitted to the LFA were derived from prototypes that ran at the 24 Hours of Nurburgring and other events (the suspension remains adjustable for corner balancing and nearly all the components on the race cars were serialed production pieces), it wouldn't take much to turn the LFA into a tried-and-true racer with a few thoughtful, minimal mods.

^^Even if it never happens, that type of thinking from Toyota is nice to see. I hope it trickles into the FT-86!

lol yeah i noticed that coz i have been following that thread and your stuff is really really good ... im prolly goin with a cf hood when i get my tax return but yea alot of your work is great especially coz its unique ...

One of the best sounding road cars, but it is far from great looking. The rear is just ugly.

I understand the development and low production numbers are the reason for the price tag, but $375 for a toyota? I would take a Carrera GT, 2 x F430, 599, 3 x R8, 3 x ZR1 with a GT-R, Etc...

That go-go gadget spoiler that comes out is the shit

i figured that since this is lexus, a luxo brand, they would have tried to create someting a lil more mass produced at a cheaper price...perfect competetor for the Audi R8 maybe????

This isn't Toyota trying to make money, this is Toyota reading for years "all you build is appliances...your cars are boring...blah blah blah" and Toyota responding with a big F U.

Forget the badge on the hood, if it was a prancing horse, people would be applauding it. And they would, because any way you slice it, this car is a supercar.

Obviously we'll find out more as people start driving them, but I'm quite excited about this car. Not because of the car, but because of the idea behind the car; and the fact that it comes from Toyota not a Ferrari, Lambo, etc.

Oh, and:
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I'd buy one, if I won the lottery.
It certainly would be very exclusive and in the supercar world-that is very nice. How many Spykers or Koenegseggs have you seen. I've never seen one. I looked high in low in Geneva, Zurich, London, Amsterdam, Madrid, Paris and Lisbon and the result was zilch.
Ferraris, Lambos, I see all the time in Miami, London and Amsterdam-not quite a dime a dozen. The Lex. will be a very rare breed.
I can't wait till they roadtest them against Ferrari, Lambos and a Spyker or Koenegsegg. Should be fun to see the end result.
Good to see Lex take the risk and produce a supercar that stand toe to toe with the Italians.

btw people who can afford these supercars usually have multiple supercars and $375k is chump change to them.

Dodge has been doing this with the Viper for years(mid 1990's I think). Not even including the ACR ring monster. With that said, I think it is pretty kickass of Lexus/Toyota to make it. Who am I to slam them, I can't afford the damn thing!

I'm sure every rapper in the country has their name on one already.... beautiful car though