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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 11:01 AM
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Mx-3
I agree, this has mx-3 written all over it.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by brillo
This should be a good debate.

The lightweight purists vs. the supercar mafia.

so what really defines RX7 for you? Is it the 1st gen or the 3rd gen?
what about the not-too-light, yet not-too-powerful FCs????
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 12:54 PM
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They should just surprise everyone and not name it MX or RX at all. Just call it...(wait)...

"Kabura"

So the lineup would be

Kabura: 170 hp Miata engine
Kabura-R: turbo'd Miata 4 or that new 244 hp DI 4-cyl. from that SUV (realistically)
OR a 250 hp N/A renesis (optimistically), OR a turbo'd renesis at 350 hp(daydreaming)

And if this car can actually stay around 2500 lbs. like the concept supposedly is...I can't really figure out a reason for the RX-8's continued existence. What would a 3,000 lb. RX-8 do that a lighter Kabura couldn't?

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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 01:15 PM
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Seat four like what the G35c does for Nissan that the 350Z can't.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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the article does have a heavy slant towards the idea of a new rx-7. keep in mind that that came from sam mitani, who seems to have quite a bit of industry connections. for example, mnao's homemade mazdaspeed rx-8 (that white one) was gonna be shown at sevenstock, but r&t somehow secured the favor to premier it in their speed magazine, and that article was written by sam mitani. so his tooting a new rx-7 out of the kabura might not be all that unbelievable. and if that's the case, i'm fine w/ that. heck, if that's the case i'd get that over the 8 'cuz it'd be cheaper. i used to own a fantastic FD and loved it and still love those cars, but you have to admit that it's very one-dimensional. going back to the original formula is the best of both worlds. plus, it'd fill a vacant niche; a two-seat hardtop that's cheaper and lighter than the 8? there's nothing like it out there right now
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 05:46 PM
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i got the same mag this week, the designer (omitting name due to failure to spell it right) said that this wont be the next rx7 bc the next rx7 will have to be much more "pure sports car" than this (kabura). he prolly means 2 seater 2 door. not this crazy 3 dorr 3+1 thingy.

my guess....
Piston equipped=mx3
Rotary equipped=rx3



that is all
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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I'd vote rotary for a few reasons. 1: you are already making them for the RX-8 so you can amortize the costs across two models rather than just one making both cheaper to produce. 2: if you put the MX-5 motor in then it's basically an overweight hardtop miata and would have disappointing performance below both the more powerful RX-8 and lighter miata. 3: because you can!!
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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I am pretty sure they just said its gonna be the next rx-7 because "RX-7" sells magazines.
If mazda is dumb enough to make this econo car an rx-7... i'm driving my 8 into a tree.

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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RX8_GT
or just Mazda 4
no because Mazda explained their current naming stategy awhile ago. Mazda plus number(Mazda3) is for their sedan/hatch/ wagon bread and butter cars. CX- is for their suv/crossover vehicles. MX- (MX-5) is for their sport(y) piston cars and RX- for their Rotary Sport cars. so it will be MX-something.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by brillo
This should be a good debate.

The lightweight purists vs. the supercar mafia.

so what really defines RX7 for you? Is it the 1st gen or the 3rd gen?
Good question. Back in their day, I've owned both. The original will always have a soft spot in my heart, because it was the original. But the FD is the car that I owned the longest (5 years) and still long for now and then.

Any future car taking on the mantle of the RX-7 (regardless if it's called a RX-7 or 9 or whatever) these days will have to live up to the FD. Even our RX-8 lives with the specter of the FD.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 02:34 AM
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The RX cars are rotary powered and with an inline 4 platform, this isn't going to be a RX, probably a MX that was stated before due to its compact size. I like the idea of MX4 but no there is no way in hell this is a RX unless they suddenly decide to drop in a rotary engine.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 05:53 AM
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leave the rx-7 name along, what most people dont get is that no matter how good any car is if they use the name rx-7 its going to be a disapoinment for many, the name rx-7 its now a legend, the only way is if mazda made a $45,000 super car ( remenber the fd had similar performance to a corvette and porche)and mazda is not going to make it.

if mazda built a piston and rotary powerd cheap and fun car it wil sell no matter what its call, but this car was going to be a revival of the rx-3 coupe and that its oficial, why it chage to an mx-3 dont know.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by [url="#"
Mazdaspeed[/url] RX8 ver2]The RX cars are rotary powered and with an inline 4 platform, this isn't going to be a RX, probably a MX that was stated before due to its compact size. I like the idea of MX4 but no there is no way in hell this is a RX unless they suddenly decide to drop in a rotary engine.
Your naming convention logic is very true...don't forget that Mazda built the Kabura around a rotary engine. Don't be surprised if they do make it to production with one. Naming will obviously be determined by the engine.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mazdaspeed RX8 ver2
but no there is no way in hell this is a RX unless they suddenly decide to drop in a rotary engine.

they suddenly took it out so they COULD suddenly put it back in
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Old Mar 3, 2006 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LionZoo
Put a rotary in it, and you have a guaranteed sale from me. Take out the back seats and keep it around 2,700 pounds and I'll buy a Mazda 3 as a bonus!
Keep it around 2500 pounds and keep the back seats, and I'll get it, rotary or not (assuming it has the driving dynamics of an MX-5).
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Old Mar 3, 2006 | 08:29 PM
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Keep it around 2500 pounds and keep the back seats, and I'll get it, rotary or not (assuming it has the driving dynamics of an MX-5).
Ditto

On my buy list for 07 or 08.
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Old Mar 4, 2006 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RoXanneBlack8
i got the same mag this week, the designer (omitting name due to failure to spell it right) said that this wont be the next rx7 bc the next rx7 will have to be much more "pure sports car" than this (kabura). he prolly means 2 seater 2 door. not this crazy 3 dorr 3+1 thingy.

my guess....
Piston equipped=mx3
Rotary equipped=rx3



that is all
Wouldn't that be way cool! If Mazda really make so many sports cars, it will be like a renesis rennaisance. The pictures look much nicer than the artistic renderings. As for the piston version, how could they not call it an MX-3 with the emphasis on the 3-seat innovation? Too bad they don't have a 3-cylinder engine it it for better fuel economy and marketing mania. But as for the minimalist RX-7 renewal, go for it, and it's gotta be a 2- seater.
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 05:05 PM
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Since no one has posted the article, fro those that havn't read the R & T:

Sounds like to me typical car magazine speculation...

Enjoy:



Attached Thumbnails Kabura on Cover of April R&T-p1010002.jpg   Kabura on Cover of April R&T-p1010004.jpg   Kabura on Cover of April R&T-p1010006.jpg  
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 05:10 PM
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Notice the "RX-7" at the bottom of one of the pages....
Attached Thumbnails Kabura on Cover of April R&T-p1010001.jpg   Kabura on Cover of April R&T-p1010007.jpg   Kabura on Cover of April R&T-p1010005.jpg  
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 05:10 PM
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lol J, I just went to the store to pick it up and was about to scan it too. There's RX-7 written all over this article...


Notice the silver RX-7 concept, it's a little simpler but still looks good
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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After reading the article - still see the Kabura as more an entry-level sports coupe not the flagship a RX-7 would be - although you never know.

Any RX-7 - in this day and age - would have to outgun the 350Z - thus either a turbo or 20b. Anything else would disappoint. This would be a major jump for this concept.
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Raptor2k
lol J, I just went to the store to pick it up and was about to scan it too. There's RX-7 written all over this article...


Notice the silver RX-7 concept, it's a little simpler but still looks good
lol...

I knew someone was about to and I had nothing better to do on a Sunday afternoon.
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RX8_GT
After reading the article - still see the Kabura as more an entry-level sports coupe not the flagship a RX-7 would be - although you never know.
I agree completely.
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 06:25 PM
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I'd buy it rotary or piston engine. Nice to see that Mazda is making such nice lightweight RWD coupes.

Can they put the turbo 4 cylinder from the Mazdaspeed3 concept and Mazdaspeed6 in it?
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Old Mar 5, 2006 | 06:38 PM
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They could make both an entry level sports coupe, and as it says in the magazine, and a 'stripped' down rx7 that could compete in the straights. At the end of the article, they vaguely say that their 'sources' say to expect a rx7 in 2008.
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