crimson-rain

I was at a Borders book store to chill out for a 1/2 hour to let traffic die down a bit (gotta love N. VA traffic) and picked up an issue of Speed magazine. It had a competition between the Greddy RX-8, Vortech's Mustang, and ?HPA? Audi TT. I was pretty intrigued and was thinking the Greddy 8 should knock these cars out in every catagory except power and straight line. To my surprise the 8's numbers were horrible. Unreal. The driver had to of sucked or something. The stats they were getting from the 8 were:

0-60: 5.8 sec
1/4: 14.4 sec
slalom: 66.8 mph
skidpad: .88 g
60-0: 168 ft
80-0: 295 ft
car's weight: 3480 ~ (I don't remember exactly, but it was definitely over 3400)

These stats make no sense to me because they said their 1/4 with a stock 8 was 15.1 and 0-60 was over 6. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are people on this forum who can beat 14.4 stock.

Anyway, to the mags defence, they did take the cars through the canyons. They said the 8 destroyed the Mustang and the TT. It was no competition.

Conclusion: IMO R&T/Speed mag need some better drivers or something.

What do you all think?

cas2themoe

Horrible times with a Turbo, I saw that magazine the other day. I mean the stock RX8 puts up basically the same numbers. Can we all say "Someone Can't Drive"

We all have seen with a Turbo 8 can do!

cas2themoe

Oh and the weight is due to his big *** Subs and Amps in the Trunk!

Ike

R&T has never really been able to run cosistently good times with any cars. Also, there are no people on this forum that we can legitimately think can beat 14.4. Ito claimed to have done it but he also broke a tranny doing so and if I recall there was something not quite stock about his car. Most that have taken their car to the strip run high 14s and low 15s so R&Ts time isn't all that far off from what you can expect the average driver to achieve in the RX-8.

DreRX8

www.dragtimes.com had a supposedly stock RX8 run 14.2--but I doubt it was stock. The fastest most consistent runs in RX8s I've seen are 14.4/14.5.

ranger4277

Regardless of what people claim to have run in the quarter stock or even turbo... the numbers are skewed. The braking is WAY off. 168 60-0? cmon... Did they even find the right pedal? Dumb to compare to stock anyway with the extra weight.

RotaryIT

I think that the results of this test were terrible...

I also think that they were dumping on the RX-8 if they were going to put it up against these other cars that were already faster in a straight line...maybe not the TT. The Mustang is already a 5 second card to 60, not sure about the TT.

This also does not make for good press for GReddy either. To think their turbo kit produced such poor numbers. I call them poor...and heres why...

We have some 8 owners out there with just AFR changes, and some intake and exhaust that are dynoing to the 200hp range. To think that adding a turbo gets 25 more? That is sad.

At this point, if and when i decide to try and get more power out of my 8....CRH is the man I will be speaking to. I think that once he figures out the MOP issues, 55-75hp shots of NOS will be the instant answer.

Charles(I know you cant read this), hope your doin ok....and look forward to your return.

Ike

Actually I doubt it was even an actual run. What time would you like my RX-8 to run? I'll get it up on dragtimes in a few days... I've seen at least 3 RX-8s run at the track and have yet to see one break out of the 15s, the only mid 14s we've seen here are from some mags and Polak. Not saying it isn't possible to mid 14s with the RX-8, it's just proven to be difficult and uncommon.

Ike

What happened to Charles?

crimson-rain

yeah, I thought the braking was a BIT off too.

What's weird is that one of the guys who drove the 8 said it felt a lot faster than it really was. Sounds like to me he found the potential and didn't know how to exploit it.

Ike

I don't think anyone with a greedy turbo on here has broken into the 13s yet and the couple that have run their cars have run low 14s. Consider the added weight, maybe less than ideal conditions, some wheelhop, and the mid 14 and braking makes sense.

brillo

Ok, before people go nuts cuz they think that the greddy kit looked terrible in this review, lets remember a few things.

1. The best stock numbers for the RX8 6spd where from C&D, who got a 5.9 sec 0-60 and a 14.5 ¼ mi time doing a 8,000 RPM clutch dump. Now I don’t know about you, but I’m not going to sacrifice my clutch and tranny every time I launch my car, so these numbers to me are kinda pointless. Now, C&D also did a street start 5-60 and could do that in 7.5 sec…..see that huge gap between 5.9 and 7.5? most drivers with a good launch in our cars that won’t break the tranny, say with a 3000 rpm slip, can get a 0-60 of about ~6.5 sec. Most other magazines, R&T, Edmunds, MT etc… were getting in the low-mid 6 second range with a reasonable launch.

2. R&T isn’t quite as hard on there cars as C&D, so I’m guessing that with a more reasonable launch, they were actually able to hit a sub 6 second number, what sucks is they didn’t do a street start 5-60 test, cuz I’ll bet money the car is much faster due to the fatter mid range than the stock time of 7.5 sec.

3. The Greddy kits biggest advantage is the mid range TQ it gives you, not top end power, it’s a quick spool, get off the line turbo, for daily driving.

So keeping these things in mind, the article doesn’t look as bad as you would think. Again, we need a more reasonable street start test with the Greddy turbo, that is where you’ll prolly see a .8 sec improvement over the stock 5-60 time of 7.5 sec.

RX-Hachi

Actually, the fact is that R&T got identical times to C&D with their original test of the RX-8 (5.9s 0-60, 14.5s 1/4 mi - R&T Apr '03 edition) and then only slightly slower times with a more recent test (6.1s 0-60, 14.6s 1/4 mi - R&T Aug '04 edition). So it's strange that SPEED got 15.1s for 1/4 mi., and (IMHO) these Greddy results do suck compared to the best stock times.

However, from a relative view point, on the same car it seems that the addition of the Greddy turbo will yeild about a .5 second gain in the 1/4 mi. Maybe even more if there's better traction for the launch.

Mugatu

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He's presently avoiding Bubba in an 8x8 cell.

shaolin

^^^Is that a joke? If not, what did he do?

chrism

im thinking if the northeast meet goes as planned we may have a few more time slips on 7/1 to put up.....there are almost 10 8's going to englishtown and one with nos (if he runs) so we will see

army_rx8

i though he wasn't allowed to drive for like a year or so..so he's tinkering around with the engine. not sure what happened though

army_rx8

those 60-0 time suck..i thought a stock 8 could do 60-0 in 110 feet..what's up with the 168 ..granted a stock 8 doesn't weight 3400+ pounds either..haha ws the tin man from teh wizard of oz driving this thing?

cas2themoe

One of our Members ran a couple of runs. 14.18, 14.29, 14.065 then found out he had a leak. I'm sure he'll be breaking into the 13's after fixing it, which I think he already did.

army_rx8

cooooooooooooooooooooooool no turbo'd 8's going?

chrism

no one thats turbo posted any interest yet to go.....i wish they would....but im hearing at rotorfest there should be 3-5 of them.....and there is a track there :D

DARKMAZ8

It looks to me that the driver is to blame if they can't get a 13 second time slip with a turbo 8.

I have owed quite a few sub 13 second cars and I can guarentee that my base 8 has a low 14 in her all n/a . The only mods would be done to the suspension. Light weight 17" wheels with stickier rubber and suspension upgrades to help delete the wheel hop. I plan on making some runs with this set up in the early fall when the weather is cooler.

army_rx8

^cool...what tires / rims are you thinking of running ?

DARKMAZ8

I already have a set of 17" rays gram lights and I'm not sure what tires i'll be getting but it'll be a 40 series.

for suspension, I'll be going with the koni's and the rb springs/sways.

army_rx8

cool...can't wait to see what time's you get ..i've been looking at the konis..but ti seems a lill anouying that you have to practicly remove the rear ones to adjust them oh well.