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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 03:28 PM
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Buick has been and still is one of the most reliable domestic brands. In fact it may be the ONLY domestic brand capable of taking on honda and toyota in reliability. This has been found by various companies that do reliability statistics.
This has been consistently true for quite a while now. What is strange is even Buicks that have a sister vehicle usually score better than the sister. Buick must invest a bit more in final inspection before shipment.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 04:46 PM
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Corvette's are actual "sports cars," not just muscle cars. The Z06 even more so. The Cobra is based on a Mustang, so I guess you'd still consider it muscle.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 07:54 PM
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^^ I think he meant the original Shelby Cobra.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 280RX-8
Corvette's are actual "sports cars," not just muscle cars. The Z06 even more so. The Cobra is based on a Mustang, so I guess you'd still consider it muscle.
The Corvette is both. Chevy has found a way to blend the two. The Vette has always found itself in the "american muscle" roundups for a reason.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by snizzle
The Corvette is both. Chevy has found a way to blend the two. The Vette has always found itself in the "american muscle" roundups for a reason.
Realtively light wieght, two seater, tight handler = sport car.... well in the vette's case a sport tourer.

The vette found its way in the american muscle round ups because, Its an American favourite that can haul *** and the US has always been somewhat of a "muscle car" country - this does not make the Vette a muscle car.

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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Japan8
^^ I think he meant the original Shelby Cobra.
Whoops! My mistake if he did. The old Cobra's definitely muscle. You pretty much steer it with your right foot. I don't think handling is their strength, at least it wasn't when they were first built.

Sport tourer sounds right for the 'Vette.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 08:16 AM
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^^ I think he meant the original Shelby Cobra.
Yes I did...good one Japan8.

The old Cobra's definitely muscle.
But wait, the Shelby Cobra was pretty light so then the formula explained does not work with the Cobra. I don’t know the details of the Cobra, but if it couldn’t handle very well it wouldn’t have OWNED all those races back in the day. I think it handled pretty dang good.

By the way, are you guys nuts...why is the Vette a sports touring car? It can handle very well and it's light to toss around on a track, if you are talking about "touring cars" you could call the GTO one since while it's fast it's also very comfortable and handles more like a Sadan than a sports car.

What in the Vette makes it a "touring car"??????

So...what is a muscle car? Is the formula just high HP with inept handling?

Well, I guess I'm a sports car guy because I like to have the whole package. To me it's not just about going in a straight line, to me a "sports car" is what I call the athlete of the car world. It can run, jump, and change directions quickly...it's a sports car.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
By the way, are you guys nuts...why is the Vette a sports touring car? It can handle very well and it's light to toss around on a track, if you are talking about "touring cars" you could call the GTO one since while it's fast it's also very comfortable and handles more like a Sadan than a sports car

What in the Vette makes it a "touring car"??????..
Are you saying that just because something is a Sport Tourer it cant handle or be taken to the track?

The vette is quite potent at the track but face it... its somwhat built for comfort... its comfy and doesnt quite beat you up when you drive it. Not only that but its probably got a couple hundred pounds of "niceties" (all beit somewhat half assed) on it.. NAV and comfy seats.. it even has a magnetic ride control to soften up the ride as an option.... If you shed all that crap the vette could be even better at the track...sorry but that looks like a tourer to me.

You can tell right away that they had more than just the track in mind when they made it


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So...what is a muscle car? Is the formula just high HP with inept handling?
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Accroding to many, price is somewhat of a factor too...
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 02:04 PM
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Are you saying that just because something is a Sport Tourer it cant handle or be taken to the track?
Ohh, OK...so then if you add a certain amount of nice features inside...then it's a Sport Tourer...so is the 8 a Sports Tourer since we have Nav too and comfy (yet a bit firm) seats?

I guess I'm getting old...lol, cause having only high HP while driving around in a harsh and unpleasent car (isn't that our complaint about the 350Z?) is not my idea of a good car.

I don't mind a firm ride, but if I'm losing teeth in the process it's time to rethink the car for street use.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
...so is the 8 a Sports Tourer since we have Nav too and comfy (yet a bit firm) seats?

Sport sedan... sorry

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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
I guess I'm getting old...lol, cause having only high HP while driving around in a harsh and unpleasent car (isn't that our complaint about the 350Z?) is not my idea of a good car.

I don't mind a firm ride, but if I'm losing teeth in the process it's time to rethink the car for street use.
See... most guys that say they want a "sports car" really want a sport tourer and dont even know it... with the reasonably comfortable ride and the nice leather "sport " seats that don't do much "bolstering" and all the cool niceties and "luxury" featrues inside.

FWIW I didnt mind the Z.... I thought it was pretty good... but that clutch/shifter gotta go
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 08:22 PM
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^well...no, because I tried out the GTO and while I liked it...it was too fat a hog for me, I like the nimbleness of the RX8.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
^well...no, because I tried out the GTO and while I liked it...it was too fat a hog for me, I like the nimbleness of the RX8.

Yeah but I bet you'd trade your old testament for vette wouldnt ya
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 11:19 AM
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^No, I need the back seats...remember....wannahave Jr is almost here.

But, I would not mind a 3-Rotor NA making 350HP or a 15B NA with direct injection making 300HP. Ohhh....how I can dream...

TODreamer...later on in life or if I was rich, Ohhh yeah I would like a Vette but I'd keep my 8 since it taught me the way of the Rotary...
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