Ford Duratech 35 is officially rated at 265hp
07-18-2006, 10:52 AM
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Ford Duratech 35 is officially rated at 265hp
Ford finally released it's official rating for the Duratech 35.......265hp. This will be the engine that powers the Edge/MKX/MKZ/CX-9/Five Hundred/Freestyle/Montego.....etc, starting with the 2007 MY.
Finally Ford has a competitive V6 offering.....and based on how many products will offer this powertrain, the aftermarket should be full of opportunity.
Finally Ford has a competitive V6 offering.....and based on how many products will offer this powertrain, the aftermarket should be full of opportunity.
07-18-2006, 11:34 AM
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If they couple it with a 6 speed automatic (and a manual option, obviously), this is very good.
Ford needs to keep up the product development and introduce some new product that hits its mark.
Ford needs to keep up the product development and introduce some new product that hits its mark.
07-18-2006, 11:46 AM
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they are already building the 2007 mazda6 without the new engine because of delays. mid year next year will see the 6 move to the newer extended version of the chassis and get the new 3.5
07-18-2006, 11:53 AM
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I'd likely pic the V6 vs. the 2.3T, if the V6 came with the AWD of the MS6. Both have the same HP (maybe MORE for the v6, as we can't get 93 octane around here), except it'd be more nose-heavy.
07-18-2006, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
they are already building the 2007 mazda6 without the new engine because of delays. mid year next year will see the 6 move to the newer extended version of the chassis and get the new 3.5
07-18-2006, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dmp
I'd likely pic the V6 vs. the 2.3T, if the V6 came with the AWD of the MS6. Both have the same HP (maybe MORE for the v6, as we can't get 93 octane around here), except it'd be more nose-heavy.
07-18-2006, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
the ms6 is a limited run- once they're all made they're done. which is before the new upsized Mazda6 hits showrooms
07-18-2006, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dmp
...can you say Mazda-designed TT 3.5V6 for the NEXT Mazdaspeed6? Figure...wha? 350hp?
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You may be closer than you think. Ford has an Edge engineering test mule that is turbocharged (single turbo) and it is faster than a stock Mustang GT. I talked at length with the powertrain engineer for the Duratech 35 and he said this engine has tons of potential. The internals were over-built in the same way as the Terminator (anyone who knows anything about that engine knows that it can handle 1000hp without changing any of the lower half). He said they have tested both supercharging and turbocharging on test vehicles and were very excited about how it handled the additional load.
350hp will not be hard to pull from this engine and you will not need to worry about the durability of the lower half during the process.
I am really excited about this engine and it's potential.
07-18-2006, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bascho
You may be closer than you think. Ford has an Edge engineering test mule that is turbocharged (single turbo) and it is faster than a stock Mustang GT. I talked at length with the powertrain engineer for the Duratech 35 and he said this engine has tons of potential. The internals were over-built in the same way as the Terminator (anyone who knows anything about that engine knows that it can handle 1000hp without changing any of the lower half). He said they have tested both supercharging and turbocharging on test vehicles and were very excited about how it handled the additional load.
I'm also reminded of Mazda's TT KLZE which was hoped to have made production years ago - iirc, it was 280hp, out of a 2.5L
I used to know a guy who was a powertrain engineer for the Mustang - maybe I'll drop him an email
07-18-2006, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
they are already building the 2007 mazda6 without the new engine because of delays. mid year next year will see the 6 move to the newer extended version of the chassis and get the new 3.5
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Originally Posted by bascho
You may be closer than you think. Ford has an Edge engineering test mule that is turbocharged (single turbo) and it is faster than a stock Mustang GT. I talked at length with the powertrain engineer for the Duratech 35 and he said this engine has tons of potential. The internals were over-built in the same way as the Terminator (anyone who knows anything about that engine knows that it can handle 1000hp without changing any of the lower half). He said they have tested both supercharging and turbocharging on test vehicles and were very excited about how it handled the additional load.
350hp will not be hard to pull from this engine and you will not need to worry about the durability of the lower half during the process.
I am really excited about this engine and it's potential.
350hp will not be hard to pull from this engine and you will not need to worry about the durability of the lower half during the process.
I am really excited about this engine and it's potential.
Holy freeholies!!
Beg them for me if you must, but get these guys to offer a MT as at least an option for whatever performance car that gets the FI version of this engine.
However... to be honest... Ford's management are fools for putting the MKZ out as a FWD car. The LS was a step in the right direction... it was just long past needing to be updated (and made a bit lighter). I've said the same thing about Honda/Acura... Acura will never overtake Lexus, BMW, or MB and Infiniti will continue to gain market... this luxury market is RWD... no matter if the car is sporty (BMW and Infiniti) or luxury (MB and Lexus). Even Caddies are RWD. I know... other parts of Ford group... Jags are Jags... never cared much for the styling and performance always tends to be more like MB... soft luxury instead of sporty. Volvo's are all FWD/AWD with ridiculous pricing... they are like BMW's... optioned out they are expensive, but don't offer the same level of performance as BMW and Infiniti or even Lexus (330is vs IS350 vs S40). The MKS... I can't believe that they went with a FWD platform for this and AWD option. The full-size luxury sedan market isn't looking for that. Actually... even Honda gets it... rumor is that there is RWD coming to Acura sedans. This isn't going to do as well as they are hoping...
08-31-2006, 08:57 AM
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*No need to start a new topic on an existing subject.
I was just looking through some things and saw Mazda has their MZI 35 preliminary ratings at 250hp, and 240tq (+6hp, -18tq over 2.3 DISI). Any one hear anything about closer or final numbers and if Mazda will provide two power rating options? I would like to them to stick with Ford's official rated number.
I too agree with Bascho, im excited about this engine. I love the Duratec series.
I was just looking through some things and saw Mazda has their MZI 35 preliminary ratings at 250hp, and 240tq (+6hp, -18tq over 2.3 DISI). Any one hear anything about closer or final numbers and if Mazda will provide two power rating options? I would like to them to stick with Ford's official rated number.
I too agree with Bascho, im excited about this engine. I love the Duratec series.
08-31-2006, 11:31 AM
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i just the otehr day read that Lincoln will not have a v8 for the MKS
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../60821002/1041
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../60821002/1041
"Lower-volume engine production is always higher cost," said Eric Fedewa, a powertrain analyst with CSM Worldwide in Northville, Mich.
Ford had planned to use the V-8 in other future products, including crossovers for the Ford and Lincoln brands. Annual engine volume was expected to approach 100,000.
Ford now will rely solely on its new 3.5-liter V-6 engine family to power the MKS, sources said. Ford's other V-8s are too large. The decision could prove to be a competitive challenge in a segment where most rivals offer a V-8.
The 3.5-liter V-6 is being added to the Ford Five Hundred and Mercury Montego sedans, which share a platform with the MKS. Lincoln's smaller MKZ sedan also is using the 3.5-liter V-6 beginning this fall.
To set the bigger sedan apart, Ford will boost the output of the base V-6 for the MKS, sources said.
Ford spokeswoman Sara Tatchio said: "We have taken the step to differentiate the powertrain in the Lincoln MKZ, and we hope to do that for Lincolns moving forward."
Ford had planned to use the V-8 in other future products, including crossovers for the Ford and Lincoln brands. Annual engine volume was expected to approach 100,000.
Ford now will rely solely on its new 3.5-liter V-6 engine family to power the MKS, sources said. Ford's other V-8s are too large. The decision could prove to be a competitive challenge in a segment where most rivals offer a V-8.
The 3.5-liter V-6 is being added to the Ford Five Hundred and Mercury Montego sedans, which share a platform with the MKS. Lincoln's smaller MKZ sedan also is using the 3.5-liter V-6 beginning this fall.
To set the bigger sedan apart, Ford will boost the output of the base V-6 for the MKS, sources said.
Ford spokeswoman Sara Tatchio said: "We have taken the step to differentiate the powertrain in the Lincoln MKZ, and we hope to do that for Lincolns moving forward."
08-31-2006, 11:53 AM
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^^^ I was about to type in "it probably won't fit" when I looked up and read zoom44's quoted story "...Ford's other V-8's are too large".
...psst ford...other companies like GM and DC don't have this problem...I wonder why, cough cough...
...psst ford...other companies like GM and DC don't have this problem...I wonder why, cough cough...
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Lincoln--it's about as schizoid and feeble as Oldsmobile before GM killed it.
Lincoln has no brand image, just a jumbled mess of below average wannabe luxury vehicles.
The whole MK nomenclature meant to be said "Mark" is just dumb. Their rebadged Fords are woefully undifferentiated.
Even though I am not at all fond of GM vehicles, Cadillac's vehicles look stellar compared to Lincoln junk.
Lincoln has no brand image, just a jumbled mess of below average wannabe luxury vehicles.
The whole MK nomenclature meant to be said "Mark" is just dumb. Their rebadged Fords are woefully undifferentiated.
Even though I am not at all fond of GM vehicles, Cadillac's vehicles look stellar compared to Lincoln junk.