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gh8st 03-05-2009 12:12 AM

first rotary powered deLorean
 
dunno if this is a repost, but check it out, the first rotary powered deLorean.

ROTARY DELOREAN!!

http://www.eliseusa.com/images/delorean/mycar.jpghttp://www.eliseusa.com/images/delorean/mycarwet2.jpghttp://www.eliseusa.com/images/delorean/3rotor1.jpghttp://www.eliseusa.com/images/delorean/3rotor2.jpghttp://www.eliseusa.com/images/delorean/trophy.jpg


We've successfully installed a Mazda 3-rotor rotary engine into this car! Rotary people know this engine as the 20B, it is a 1.962 liter engine with sequential twin turbos. This engine was originally made for the Mazda Eunos Cosmo, we picked up a model year 1990. This engine yields about 300HP, and 297ft-lb of torque at 3000RPM. We have not had the time to weigh the car, though the stock Delorean claimed just over a 2700 pound dry weight. We guess that the 2.0 liter rotary and the 2.8L PRV V-6 engine weigh about the same. With this horsepower and low weight, this car really moves!

zara 03-05-2009 01:44 AM

great...
so Ive seen a rotary DeLorean, a rotary WRX, a rotary Skyline....what's next?
I wouldn't mind a 26B Lambo tho ^^

nvrfalter 03-05-2009 01:54 AM


We have not had the time to weigh the car, though the stock Delorean claimed just over a 2700 pound dry weight. We guess that the 2.0 liter rotary and the 2.8L PRV V-6 engine weigh about the same. With this horsepower and low weight, this car really moves!
im not following their logic here

Silver06 03-05-2009 02:10 AM


Originally Posted by nvrfalter (Post 2898016)
im not following their logic here

Hi.

From Wikipedia, the specifications for the STOCK Delorean engine:


Specifications

  • Power (DIN): 100 kW (134 hp) at 92 r/s (136 hp at 5,500 rpm) [2]
  • Power (SAE): 97 kW (130 hp) at 92 r/s (130 hp at 5,500 rpm)
  • Torque (DIN): 215 N·m (159 lb·ft) at 48 r/s
  • Torque (SAE): 208 N·m (153 lb·ft) at 48 r/s (153 ft·lbf at 2,750 rpm)
  • Compression ratio: 8.8:1
  • Bore: 91 mm (3.6 in)
  • Stroke: 73 mm (2.9 in)
  • Displacement: 2,849 cm³
  • Firing order: 1-6-3-5-2-4
  • Weight: ~150 kg (331 lb)

So, you can see that for the same wight, they have about tripled the horsepower in the car. That is pretty cool...


I drove a Delorean a few times back in the day, and (to be kind), it was not a powerful car by any means.

Also, my Dad had a Volvo 262C of about the same vintage, with the same engine as the Delorean, and it was a slug - could barely accelerate out of it's own way.....

nvrfalter 03-05-2009 02:20 AM

i just wasnt seeing how the 2.0L RE was weighing the same as the 2.8L V6

Silver06 03-05-2009 02:34 AM

The 20B-REW in the Eunos is reported (on several non-Mazda websites*) to weigh 350kg fully-dressed. For comparison, the same websites put a 'racing version' of the 20B at 143kg.

I think what gh8st was quoting was comparing a ~143kg rotary with a ~150kg piston engine.

I have some doubts as to the 350kg number for the 20B (for comparison, a 13G 3-rotor race engine also seems to weigh in at around the 150kg mark).

Hope this helps.


* Link: http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg20.htm

Flashwing 03-05-2009 02:50 AM

That is the single coolest thing I have ever seen in my life. I've always wanted a Delorean and throwing a 3 rotor into it just makes it complete.

Rotary Mike 03-05-2009 07:43 AM

I wonder how hard it was to adapt that engine to RR format? Are they using the stock tranny off of the Delorean?

rotarygod 03-05-2009 08:38 AM

This car was built several years ago. With the original engine, I don't see how it could top 88 mph. This would seem to be supported by the fact that you can't outrun a VW van full of terrorists. The 20B could though.

DarkLord7854 03-05-2009 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by rotarygod (Post 2898213)
This car was built several years ago. With the original engine, I don't see how it could top 88 mph. This would seem to be supported by the fact that you can't outrun a VW van full of terrorists. The 20B could though.


But the delorean doesn't need to go faster than 88 mph as long as it has it's flux capacitor :lol:

Grungepup 03-05-2009 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by rotarygod (Post 2898213)
This car was built several years ago. With the original engine, I don't see how it could top 88 mph. This would seem to be supported by the fact that you can't outrun a VW van full of terrorists. The 20B could though.

But why would you want a car that you had to keep under 88 mph, other than the fact of time travel. Speaking of which... i think my flux capacitor is on the fritz again, can someone help?

dynamho 03-05-2009 09:53 AM

If I recall correctly, the DeLorean was originally spec'ed out to run on a Wankel from Citroen, but was ditched due to fuel economy reasons.

So this is a return to its true design.

lepichichi 03-05-2009 10:53 AM

nice find, this sure is gonna take you faster back in the future!

nvrfalter 03-05-2009 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by dynamho (Post 2898332)
If I recall correctly, the DeLorean was originally spec'ed out to run on a Wankel from Citroen, but was ditched due to fuel economy reasons.

So this is a return to its true design.

wow thats a cool little fun fact

risky business 03-05-2009 11:16 AM

damn, thats one fast delorean

Socket7 03-05-2009 11:19 AM

A revolutionary motor for a revolutionary car.

Sweet deal.

CyberPitz 03-05-2009 11:46 AM

Me want!

zara 03-05-2009 01:07 PM

Sorry if this is a noob question. But other than Back To The Future and its RR drive chain...what other significance does a DeLorean play? Why is it so famous?

Silver06 03-05-2009 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by zara (Post 2898772)
Sorry if this is a noob question. But other than Back To The Future and its RR drive chain...what other significance does a DeLorean play? Why is it so famous?


Well, Wikipedia is your friend....

A couple of salient points (from my memory):

  • Former Big 3 auto exec starts own car company.
  • Funding from Canadian and Northern Irish governments
  • 1979?
  • Car made of unpainted stainless steel (later ones were painted / clearcoated)
  • Gull-wing doors.
  • Relatively low price (about the same as a BMW or Mercedes of the day).
  • Company gets into financial trouble.
  • Founder (John DeLorean) busted for millions-dollar drugs sting. Rumor that it was to help bail out the car company.
  • Company fails... Causes government scandal in N.Ireland.
  • 1982?
  • 2008 - another company buys inventory and announces that they will re-start production. Haven't heard anything more.

alz0rz 03-05-2009 01:15 PM

Ss!

Ross_Dawg 03-05-2009 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by Silver06 (Post 2898792)
[*]2008 - another company buys inventory and announces that they will re-start production.[/LIST]

:suspect:

Silver06 03-05-2009 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by Ross_Dawg (Post 2898820)
:suspect:


Ross.... I kid you not! :)

You can get one today starting at $57,500 (according to the website, at least).

Link: http://www.delorean.com/sales.asp


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m477 03-05-2009 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by zara (Post 2898772)
Sorry if this is a noob question. But other than Back To The Future and its RR drive chain...what other significance does a DeLorean play? Why is it so famous?

It was also in The Wedding Singer

chickenwafer 03-05-2009 02:06 PM

Now that is a DeLorean I would actually want to own

bulletproof21 03-05-2009 03:03 PM

it says it is a twin turbo 20B but only makes 300hp?

SideOfBacon 03-05-2009 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Rotary Mike (Post 2898150)
I wonder how hard it was to adapt that engine to RR format? Are they using the stock tranny off of the Delorean?

if you werent so lazy and actually RTFA that was linked in the OP you would have seen:

Transmission
It was determined that using the stock transmission with this engine would not be a very good choice. Some parties claim that the stock transmission was very reliable and well built, others have told us about transmissions that they ripped in half with 250 and 300 horsepower. Plus, it only makes sense to get a stronger transmission when you're increasing the stock engine's horsepower by over 230 percent! For this reason, we bought a Porsche 6-speed manual transmission with Limited Slip Differential. It came out of a 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 2.


hate board members who need to be spoon fed.

warren(silver-roxy-8) 03-05-2009 03:20 PM

back to the future part 4!

bulletproof21 03-06-2009 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by caveney (Post 2899015)
if you werent so lazy and actually RTFA that was linked in the OP you would have seen:


hate board members who need to be spoon fed.

I hate board members who act like an ass to newer members. You are better than noone.

StealthTL 03-06-2009 08:55 AM

it says it is a twin turbo 20B but only makes 300hp?


Yes, as installed in the Cosmo 4 door, it makes about that - if it was perfectly stock and had the original ECU, that would be the output.

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DarkLord7854 03-06-2009 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by bulletproof21 (Post 2900127)
I hate board members who act like an ass to newer members. You are better than noone.


But at least he can read and not ask questions which are answered in the article :lol:


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