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1993 Supra came with 320 BHP and competed with Corvettes and Porsche's. A 1993 Mustang Cobra came with I think 240 BHP.
Twenty-five years later and the new. Supra will have somewhere from 335-380 BHP (estimates). Mustang GTs now come with 460 BHP and a base model corvette comes with 455 BHP.. So in 25 years corvettes and mustang have effectively doubled their horsepower, and the new Supra is increasing horsepower 4.6% (335) to 18.75% (380) all for a 63k price tag????? Also no manual transmission???
Who's gonna pay 63k for the new Supra and get smoked by the first new mustang they come across. I didn't expect a GTR killer, but damn this car looks to be a disappointment...
Kind seems to me like they are trying to make a grand touring car or a pony car rather than a sports car.
That said, I also think this is one of the problems with shared platform development. You give up some control to gain some economy of scale. I'm almost certain that Subaru would love to sell a BRZ with an STi motor in it but are probably hampered by contracts (and the 90/10 production limit).
As for acceleration, how heavy is it? Is it as heavy as a Mustang or Corvette?
The RX-8 was priced a lot lower when it came out. It was only meant to compete with 350Z and S2000.
Supposed to be lighter than a Mark 4 Supra, so I would guess lighter than a mustang and probably the same weight as a corvette. I'm not saying the car will be a dog, but I don't think this is going to live up to the hype of the Supra as you would expect. This is a re-badged BMW with an automatic transmission.
So they are giving you the choice a new z4 coupe, or save that money for the C8 mid-engine corvette. If I was in the market I'd wait for the C8. or just get a C7 or a BRZ and turbo it. I hate being bias about this new supra but everything they are doing I don't like.
There now some reports that it will get a manual version down the line. There’s also supposed to be a high powered version coming out later on that’s more track focused. I’m not going to lie, I’ve considered it, but if it cost more that $50k, only die hards will but it
That car and driver article sounds promising to me. They actually drove it, say it feels great. Numbers aren't everything (as the RX8 demonstrates). The pictures there also look much better than at the start of this thread.
Also says the BMW and Toyota teams took different paths and aren't attached at the hip. We'll seen when Z4 news starts coming out.
That ZF 8 speed auto is in damn near every car from Chrysler to BMW, it's a very good unit.
At the end of the day they need to make a car that fits in today's market, rather than relive memories of the past. There is no point in competing with Corvettes, you will not win. Instead sounds like they want to compete downmarket where there isn't a clear dominance.
Its been said that the new Supra will not be offered with a manual transmission. Disgusting.
I think there was a change.org or a similar protest at one point about this.
Maybe they will eventually consider it?
It's just so odd that the new Corolla hatchback(not even a hot hatch) will be offered in manual and it's not just an afterthought(available with mid-trim and even comes with an auto rev match button), and yet a full blood sports car doesn't...
Originally Posted by thebubbadog
These are either concepts or renderings. Some of the designs definitely won't be carried over to the production models.
Yes those were just the concept designs, I wish this new car looked half as good... with the camo, the new Supra looks like a face lifted/revision of the GT86, in terms of design, stance, and stature...
it in (in essence) the Turbo GT86 that everyone begged for, and now that Toyota is giving us something similar, no one is happy with it. (Which is why they never bothered to do it for real) I don't understand why they have waited so long to give us a non camo version.... I think they are building too much hype for the car, and it is just going to end in mass-disappointment.
I recall sonic posting an article a while ago that said that Toyota didn't put a MT in also because they couldn't nail down the shifter feeling or something. They felt that the shifter feels way too heavy, and couldn't make it feel lighter without sacrificing durability(*cough*MX-5 gearbox*cough*).
I mean, if you really want the stick shift, just buy the BMW Z4. They share the same platform.
Not that I care about the Supra since you know, still no MT. And yes "aUtOmAtIc ShIfTs FaStEr", don't care. If I don't want a third pedal, I'd just buy a hybrid or EV.
I know it was just a rendering (that's why I said trolling). I do want a third pedal and it frustrates me that auto companies are removing this option even though the take rate [for MT] is constant. It's a cost savings.
What it translates to me - I'll wait and not buy a new car and buy a (manumatic like a Supra) once depreciation hits. Scr@#$ you auto companies.
09-26-2018, 07:17 AM
