Evo might have to go?
 

I hate to see a good horse leave the stable, but it looks like the Evo might need to go. I drive the Legacy every day now. But what if I sold the Evo and then took my money and the Legacy GT to a Subaru dealership for a drive in an '08 STi. Initially I'd lose performance going to the new STi but I'm not worried about that. The big thing is potential. What do I lose going from an '05 Evo VIII RS to an '08 STi - or do I lose anthing at all with the platform?

Or is there another car out there I need to look at? I debated posting this on the Evo or STi forums instead but, as ironic it is, that's the worst place to post a thread like this. So anways it would come down to potential for me. I need four doors, power, handling and some tuning potential.

IMHO if you want it now, and are looking for the best power/handling/potential - allroundpackage, I would look into the evo X. If on the other hand you are patient and are willing to wait, then I would wait to see the 2010 scoobies.

Now referring back to your question- will you loose anything by going from evo XIII to 08sti? My answer is - plenty. But then again it all depends on what you are looking to gain... I would assume that you are looking for a middle ground between performance and comfort, to substitute for the two cars currently owned. In that case the 08sti, might be a pretty good choice, it will offer less on the performance side than your XIII, but more than the legacy, while offering a more refined ride. However (flame me all you want), the evo XIII reigns superior to 08sti in pretty much every way.

Again, if it were up to me I would wait to see new scoobs, otherwise if I had to make a choice now I would go for evoX.

get the 370 z ;)

I would wait. Subaru updated the WRX and it is not faster by .1 sec than the new STI, so my guess is they are upping the HP on the STI as well to offset this. So I would wait a little bit.

^^^
I second that!:)

Screw AWD, unless you live in Maine or close to Canada, get yourself a sports car.

yeah get the z...you live in CALI

I saw a brand new STI white with factory gold rims, it looks like a million bucks. Now i am ignorant as to the potential of the current sti's but i do know that the evo x's are quite mod friendly.

I really need 4 doors guys.

evo X.

get the EVO X, its awd, four door, good looks and its fast

Wait, you already have an Evo VIII and want a tunable 4 door car with AWD? ...You own one! Evo VIIIs can make stupid power with the right mods and god knows it looks better than the '08 STi which looks like a bag of ass. If you really want to upgrade the car, get the Evo X.

bmw m5.

A 335i gets my vote.

If you are going to a EvoX, just stay with your current evo. If you want the hatchback, then you should go STI. But if its just cause of the 4 doors, just stay with your current evo. They are better IMO than the X.

I know that Subaru has been having issues with the power plan in the WRX/STI for the last 3 model years where they have bearings failing in the first 2-3,000 miles so I would be leary about heading that direction. Mitsu builds a better product IMO.

I've never heard anything about this. I do know that some of the stage 2 STi's have been seeing issues with the pistons. Which bearings were people having trouble with?

I read the bearings thing too and there is even a video on youtube, but apparently it was a bad batch after that people have had 0 problems.

The early batch of 08 turbocharged Subies all had issues with piston 4. A tuning issue when it started happening they halted all sales and reflashed them all. Since they haven had a problem, my buddy has an 06 WRX that makes great power very reliably.

Evo X,,, dont get an ugly and heavy 370,,, yuck

hmm ugly and heave 370z that does 13.4 in the 1/4 mile or heavy and cheap rental interior mitsu that does 13.8 in the 1/4 mile?

ITs the Japanese Mustang,,,, the Evo will smash a Z on a track,,, not too many people with an 8 care about straightline speeds, and he said he needs 4 doors,,, and yes it is heavy 3400lbs for a 2 seater, thats a reason they had to bump the VQ up to 332hp,,,

2010 Speed3's are supposed to have a new turbo 2.5 L

The Evo you currently have is miles more developed and worked with then the EvoX or STi. I had and sold an STi, because once you got past the initial euphoria it wasn't built as well. They have definately limitations with the block, where as Mitsu worked extensively on making sure that the roof of potential was higher. Either stay with what you have. Price range would change what you are looking for in AWD and 4 door. if you can swing 35k, Audi A4 2.0T is a fantastic vehicle

what about the new Lancer RalliArt it has the EVO 9's powertrain and AWD and its a whole lot cheaper than the X and like Blackout said that powerplant has a huge aftermarket for it...

^^^^NO, the new lancer ralliart sucks. Belive me I drove one. If you are going for the evo get the evo not the wannabe.

you know whats a really great powerful, rwd, 4 door sedan?

the pontiac g8.

that is a FUCKING BLAST to drive.

AWD 335 sedan. awd + sedan + quite easy to tune dinan package puts down 384hp.

Thanks for the ideas guys. I'm glad I posted this hear. Cars like the G8, 335xi, Audi A4 and even a used E39 M5 interest me.

Also it's not all about out-of-the-box performance. My Evo is barely streetable right now - it's a weekend warrior built for the track - but it got to this point because of amazing potential. There's more than one way to skin a cat though so I'm curious to see which other platforms have a big upside. BTW, here's the Evo info for anybody interested...

Suspension & Handling

* KW3 coilovers with Swift Springs (F/R: 10k/12k)
* TEIN front camber plates
* Hotchkis rear sway bar
* Whiteline roll center kit
* Whiteline rear control arm bushing kit
* Whiteline rear differential bushing kit
* Stainless Steel brake lines
* Enkei RCT4 18x9.5 w/Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs

Engine & Drivetrain

* FP Green turbo w/ported housing & high boost WGA
* Titek o2 housing
* EIP ported exhaust manifold (looks 100% OEM)
* Perrin "Stealth" FMIC
* Nisei Aluminum LICP
* New ACT usprung clutch and Fidanza flywheel
* HKS cams: 264in/272ex
* ACME cam gears
* ARP head studs
* Tanabe 70mm downpipe
* RRE Rally Cat
* RSR ExMag GTII
* Sun HyperForce System
* JDM MR BOV
* GM 3-port BCS
* Agency Power motor mounts
* JAM 3mm lifters
* Buschur open air filter (stealth airbox mod; pic 1, pic 2)
* WORKS short throw shifter

Misc.

* Perrin 4" shorty antenna
* Evo IX front bumper
* Evo VII tails
* Alpine CDA 9831 CD/MP3 head unit
* Custom four 6x9 speaker system
* I'm sure there is more...

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the new STI's are too soft... stick with the current EVO that you have and sell the legacy... if you want you could use that money to MOD the evo and you will be WAY happier then you ever would be with a new STI.


evo's have always been better and i think they are still better today..

in the words of the stig, "the sti is a good car, but the EVO is a man's car"


EDIT: i just read your post of how modded your evo is... didnt know it was a track car. in that case, i have heard wonderfull things about the g8. but i would strongly consider a used m3... if you REALLY need 4 doors then maybe like an 02ish m5!

more pics of the evo!

335i for the win!

You will definitely loose the embarrassment of driving a butted up economy car with a horrendous plastic wing and tupperware interior. :eyetwitch
335i has 4-doors. C350 is a nice car inside out too. RX-8 if you value sublime handling. G37S is fast as long as you don't mind girth. Lots of choices. 370z is promising too.

Stig doesn't speak. :uhh:

De-mod your VIII and keep it. Don't waste your money on a X, its simply not worth it. If you want to switch platforms, look for something with a better interior.

An FP green with a 264/272 combo setup is EXTREMELY streetable.. In your part of town that is a tame setup. With that aside I can assure you youd be disappointed by the Impreza STi, its a car that performs as well as it looks: horrible.

The Forrester STi on the other hand is a gorgeous vehicle that is more practical for its application.

If you are really use to your AWD platform a car like the G8 will be awkward at first but the lack of AWD and FI would be over came by the nice roar of a v8..

You just have to be more clear with what you want.. If you consider your Evos build "extreme" then you wouldn't be looking for the grunt of a car like the G8, but you might be able to make due with a car such as the new Acura TLs or a Lower series BMW such as the 3 (as mentioned earlier) or the 1..

Out of the cars mentioned thus far, I'd go for the 335i just for a good change in the right direction.. That is, if it is within your price range. The new C class is nice as well.

Dehli you're still a moron. You're even worse at reading comprehension. And apparently you're fucking blind too.

Thanks T-Rex. The 1 series and anything FWD aren't for me but I'm looking into the other models you and other have mentioned. And to your point, there are definitely much more powerful Evos out there. My goal was specific to the courses I would be tracking. I'm only making about 400whp and that's on 100 octane. I picked that particular turbo for its spool characteristic and its stealth factor. It looks 100% OEM - as does everything else under the hood. The California smog Nazis are no joke.

Anyways the "extreme" part (did I even say extreme?) was really more in regards to the overall package. The suspension setup has been built and tuned for the track, the unsprung clutch/flywheel combo is only comfortable to the driver at 9/10ths, and the rear of the car has been gutted. Anyways I understand that you and dehli are coming from entirely different angles but, just the same, this will be the last I justify the Evo's performance. It's an 11 second car that saw less than 1000 miles in 2008 but, even though it's insured as a recreational vehicle, insurance on the Mitsubishi was more than our Subaru and Infiniti put together!

In any event I've asked $22k for the car and I have a buyer. We'll see if they can get a loan. That's where things are at right now. Thanks again to everybody for the input and ideas.

not to us, but he speaks to clarkson and the stars in reasonably priced cars... i remember clarkson said after the evo and sti both went around the track he said that the stig had told him that the sti was a great car but the evo was a mans car :P


so no, we dont hear him speak... but he does off camera :lol2:

since someone mentioned it, you should consider the new TL if you can do something about the beaky front end. Acura is going to releasing the 3.7 litre 307hp V6 with SH-AWD system + reliability of a honda for about 40k.
bigger, cheaper, and more useful space than a 3 series.

maybe a 335d?

I know where you are coming from. I own 2 talons and drove an evo for a shop. I love the 4g63.

This new car would be replacing my Subaru Legacy GT wagon as my daily driver. All things considered, that car is no slouch. It's on par with the Mazdaspeed 6. Some of these cars are great suggestions but debatably a step down from the LGT in performance. I'd be more apt to keep that car than replace it with a newer, more expensive car with less performance and nicer amenities.

EDIT: much love for the old DSM's! Thanks again for the input T-Rex.

BTW you said earlier that the 1 series is FWD and it isnt, its RWD.

Sorry. It did come across like I though BMW made a FWd car. I meant the 1 series and anything FWD like Acuras or Hondas are not appealing to me. I'd probably have to add the Audi to the list now too of cars I'm not really leaning towards.

The 2009 has more HP and Torque, plus the interior is refined more.

370 z for you :)

Get an RX-8, 4 doors =)

Which car are you talking about?

knowing RAZZ, hes talking about pontiac G8.

What are the best handling 4 door cars out there right now? Maybe anything used you can think of also. BTW I've been considering an E39 M5 but the cost of maintenance on that car scares the hell out of me. Would love to find one with lots of warranty left but haven't found one so far.

I agree with others on a lot of the cars already listed (335i, g37s or new Z would be on the top of my list)

but if you weren't opposed to another wagon, or had the need for it, a 2005 used Audi S4 Avant wagon would be sweet and you can get one for around 30k in great condition.


v8 Power and a slick package and very much a sleeper. They are very rare too. Stateside, the current gen s4 only comes in 4door

I've been trying to convince my wife to get one as the "family" vehicle :)
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