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playdoh43

nice but i hope it dosnt cost as much as a vette.

XDEEDUBBX

dam retro styling

Transam kid 01

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No way in hell oculd it and sell, wont match power, and wont even come close to quality and interior...if they do, they are idiots

playdoh43

Id take it over a GTO though

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Meh, i like the 05+ GTOs

im def gunna get a new camaro now!!! new pics and article to ocme in other thread...

Japan8

New Camaro > New Mustang = New Challenger (styling and reliablity goes to Mustang, engine to Challenger) > GTO... and I don't mind the GTO... just kinda dull. I'd probably get a G35c instead of a GTO even if it's "only" a V6 and a little slower.

rotarygod

I'm getting really tired of the retro look. Americans don't have much creativity anymore. We redo old car styles to make them look new. We redo old movies over and over again to make them new again. How about a new idea? How about exciting new cars? This looks OK. The new Camaro concept looks OK. The new Mustang looks OK. That's it though. Just OK. I wouldn't even trade in my little Civic on any of these. If this is anything like all of the other powerful american cars, it will be fast in a straight line but lose to an overloaded schoolbus in the handling department. Either that or it will handle wonderfully but be priced like the Vette. It's OK but that's as inspiring about it as I can be.

Transam kid 01

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The mustang is not styish, terrible interior and reliability, the mustang has never really been too reliable, i dont kno about the new ones, but they would have to be so much more reliable than the previous ones to even come close to reliable

Japan8

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

'79 Mustang Pacecar with the Turbo I-4. Had turbo problems, but otherwise all good. Supposedly these turbo issues were cleared in the 1984 Mustang SVO.

'83 Mustang GT. Other than the heater core, not a single problem with the car.

'87 Mustang GT. Not a single problem with the car.

'90 Mustang LX 5.0. Purchased well-used in 1998. Other than age issues (the car IS 16 years old now afteral) and the heater core... not a single problem with this car. Never been stranded. Never got fu&%ed for $1,000 and stranded because the damn timing belt broke... bending valves and requiring the head to be remachined (my POS '89 Honda Prelude Si.. R.I.P.). Some of the best $4,000 I have even spent. Better than the $5,000 I spent on my POS Suzuki SV400 motorcycle (bought with 6,000km)... now... R.I.P. (bad crank bearing).

Yep... unreliable alright.

You might not like the styling, but look at your name... you're reeeal objective. Besides... Ford's sales of the car say more than enough about its styling. The car's past sales tell quite a story as well.

Reliability in the current car. Well go talk to the Mazda6 guys. Tell them their cars are unreliable POS, because the new Mustang is built at the same plant.

Dinhx8

im waiting for the model T to come back with 400HP.

rx8wannahave

^LOL

It will probably cost too much and be heavy...

I too am "meh" with the retro styling, give us something NEW dag nabit.

Here is the link to the other Camaro thread...fyi:

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=56071

Give me the green one's butt with the red and black one's front and it would be sweeeettttt!

rx8wannahave

Oh by the way, I like this car better than the Mustang but they will probably over price it and make it a poor 2+2...why the extra 2 if it's unusable?

expo1

So if this car had 400HP instead of 250 it would have been a hit??

RotoRocket

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Someone please correct me in case I'm wrong, but this car has 425 horsepower.

Transam kid 01

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I got my info from that brittish dude when he test drove the mustang...everything he said about it was terrible (not including the new 1) and he ripped the engine apart, especially the fact that it is made from pumis. But i asked around on LS2, from owners, and not many considered it unreliable, most who did modded it...so i guess i was wrong and as far as sales....Ford does an amazing job with the stang, they ALWAYS have. They are a key part to keeping Ford alive and they are very respectable b/c of that

Dinhx8

nah, the model T has more interior room.

Umbra

Arg..... had to take entire dash out of car to replace the damn thing if you had air. Reliable car up until about 100k miles then fell apart.

JRichter

...as was most American cars I've ever seen, worked on, rode in, ect. from about '00 and earlier.

SHOWOFF

Everytime one of the "big 3" intros a "retro" designed new car it just proves that they are completely out of new ideas. That Camaro looks like complete ****. The Challenger looks like someone gave the front end of a 300C a mammagram and the new Mustang looks like it has down syndrome.

therm8

In case you guys haven't noticed...Retro is in. The Big 3 don't create the fad, they just fulfill it. Countless $$ are spent on market research before the design phase.People want retro, so Detroit gives it to them.

Not a bad looking car, but I'd never buy one over the Camaro. LS >> "Hemi," Zeta >> Chrysler's chassis, and the Chevy looks better. Not to mention being quite a bit smaller.

rotarygod

The only reason it's in is because the manufacturers build them and give others no choice. People don't just randomly say they want the od styles back. The car manufacturers throw the idea out because that's what they have. Then they build it based on the results. If no manufacturer came up with these ideas, there'd be no fad.

RotoRocket

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A lot of times, the manufacturers are wrong, though, and have to chew on their financial losses.

A fad only ensues when markets love what the corporation has produced - whether what they've produced is objectively good or bad (even if that can be defined).

I would argue that the market (i.e. the sheep) fuels the fad, not the producer.

T-von

I know one thing. If I was going to buy some American muscle, this Challenger would be the one. It's about time Chrysler built something to compete with the Mustang and Camaro.

Japan8

Sorry if I get over-the-top, but there is much domestic hate that floats around this forum. If you don't like the styling or it just isn't that car for you... that's fine. That's why there are other cars out there... to each his own. All the domestic makers made major screw ups over the last 20 years and made some crummy cars, but now isn't then. And through this all... the Mustang has been remarkably reliable. Flexing chassis in the FOX platform? Yep. Better, but not still much room for improvement in the updated FOX (FOX-4? SN95)? Yep. The interior... well the '93 was the same as the '87... and again the '04 was the same as the '94... so you gotta cut it some slack... not to mention the platform was in use since 1979 when taken from the Fairmont. All this taken into account... it has been a pretty good car and like mine and my father's experience... quite reliable. The fact that the 302 V8 is just a "blown" 289 from the original '64 Mustang probably helps too... lots of years to fix the bugs.

I agree... Ford could have done better with the interior... and it looks like they are making up for it in the GT500. I'm not into "billet" anything, but apparantly the Mustang market is... ever been Mustang & Ford events? The door speakers look horrible and the interior plastic could be better... but hey... for $25k you get 300hp. The GTO will cost you a bit more, as will an Evo or an STi (whose interiors everyone complains about). THe 350Z's interior is complained about too, it's slower, has less luggage space and no back seats. Don't forget slower too. The difference in handling is easily addressed by a handling package from Ford Racing (order by web or at the dealer) or one of the many aftermarket companies (Saleen, Rousch, Steeda, etc.). All in all... that's a lot of bang for the buck.

We'll see what happens now if/when GM and Chrysler release their new pony cars. 2009... that's a lot of time... enough for a facelift and Ford to drop in even more power....