Roidz

http://wot.motortrend.com/motor-tren...up-116003.html

Which car do you think will win?

I hope the Z06 wins and I really hope the GT-R doesn't. The Z06 is a car that involves the driver and requires actual 'driving' unlike the GT-R that basically drives itself, plus it's so damn ugly. Go corvette!

dynamho

I think Corvette is much more fun than GT-R.

Italia is the driver's car of the lot.

bse50

The italia with the manettino on the "race" position is scary. Way over what any amateur driver will be able to do in a couple of lifetimes.
The Z06 is like any other GM car,useless. The GT-R follows. Get a GT3 Rs if you want to be "involved"! The car world will thank you.

deadphoenix52

corvette. then the mustang. then the 1M. the italia falls into the same boat as the gt-r. too much tech, plus itll catch fire and kill you. nothing else on that list id drive

bse50

You have obviously never driven a 458...

Roidz

Useless? I'm not sure why you would consider the fastest car of the bunch 'useless.' The Z06 is a third of the price of the Ferrari and it's still kicks its ***. There's obviously pros and cons of both, but useless? Come on man.

bse50

Typical american comment.
Go to a real racetrack and see how a 458 fares.
lol.

deadphoenix52

no. but ive sat in one. and i honestly think the corvette would be more fun to drive

Roidz

If I'm not mistaken the Z06 beats just about EVERYTHING at the 'ring.

bse50

The crapvette is fun because it is so poorly designed that breaks loose, is nervous when braking etc. A mustang is fun, too.
'Ring laptimes mean nothing, Ferrari never did "official" outings with road legal cars. The GT-R is faster than a bunch of cars that there, in real life, spank it everyday.

Try driving a 458 with the manettino in the right position anyway, only then come back!

deadphoenix52

once the ferrari has 3 pedals i'll give it a chance.

but that'll never happen

bse50

There's no reason for it to. 20ish mS to shift, when you're at 250km\h and shift the tachometer goes up as if it was the rpm gauge...
With that level of performance you are better off with the hands on the steering wheel all the time.

dynamho

There's tech that removes you from the driving experience (GT-R) and there's tech that brings you closer to the driving experience (Ferrari).

The tech should enhance the reaction time of your intent into actuation. I think Ferrari does that. What GT-R tech appears to do, is to try to read between and beyond a driver's intent to bring out the best performance.

In other words, the tech should give the impression of listening to the driver instead of listening to the car. The driver needs to be in command of the tech instead of the other way around. This is what I think is the difference between Ferrari tech and GT-R tech.

nycgps

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Vette over Italia ??? Hmm ok. You guys got issues.

As for GT-R, when it's in racing form is really scary. even tho it weights a ton ( like 3800 lbs?), it outperforms a lot of cars, but you need to be really skillful to take full advantage of it, just like the video that Porsche was crying about.

Same thing goes for Italia, it's a really scary car because most people can't handle it, GT-R has lots of onboard computers to "aid" people can't drive for **** to go fast, but Italia has no such thing, if you can't drive for ****, it's going to bite you hard, it's like riding on a wild horse, if you can't tame the beast, it will throw u off and run your *** over, but if you got the skills, it will take you wherever you wanna go.

Vette ... couple years ago Tsuchiya said the car is dangerous, cuz it's so unstable and the balance is way off. it can't handle curves(twisties!) correctly. in the other words, it's crap. and we all know he can drive better than most of us ever could in our whole life. if he said it's crap, well, I don't know what else can we say. it might be good for American roads cuz it's mostly just straight, but if handling is your thing, nope, don't bother.

8 Maniac

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I think your responses towards the vette have been more inaccurate than those in support of it. The fact that the Z06 even comes close to the 458 is impressive if you look at the prices. If you ignore prices, it's very easy to point out where there's room for improvement. The Z06 has more than proven itself on "real race tracks". In terms of performance potential, it is definitely up there with the 458 and at a much more affordable price. Your comments seem to make 458 out to be some untouchable car.

monchie

You think wrong...lol

GT-R is much more fun than the Corvette (no offense).

deadphoenix52

how does the tech in the ferrari bring you closer to driving than that of the gt-r? it doesnt. if anything its the other way around. the ferrari would be undriveable were it not for all the tech keeping you planted.

is the paddle-shift faster? yes. is it the quickest way around the track? absolutely. is the ferrari a better car? for sure.

id still take the vette every day of the week tho

8 Maniac

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If money was not an issue, I'm not sure I could pick without having a good test drive in both. If it was a car for use on and off the track, I'd probably favor the Ferrari... I definitely favor it in terms of appearances (interior and exterior). On the track, I could care less about those kinds of design features, as long as it performs. I think it would be fairly easy to determine which car feels better (based on personal preferences) with a short drive in each... I can't imagine they feel too similar.

I got the chance to drive a F430 Scuderia, and I definitely didn't mind the paddle shifters when taking it around the track. Maybe I was distracted by the rest of the experience, but I think I'd be able to get used to it in the right car.

bse50

The tech in the ferrari brings you way closer to the road than any other car will.
Forget the road "modes" for driving impaired owners. With the "race" setting there's little (actually "No") traction\stability control whatsoever and all you still have electronics wise is the differential.
Is an electronic differential better than a mechanical one? Yes.

The vette doesn't even come close to its laptimes btw, 5 seconds in a 2.40 lap is a huge huge huge gap.

Another point you all miss. It's a middle-level ferrari you're talking about. The 'vette should be the pinnacle of your engineering (and americans can't make cars, that's a matter of fact). Take it against the ferrari with the same 6l displacement. 599 Gto...

8 Maniac

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Your bias is so apparent, it's not even funny. Since it is a matter of fact, please show me your definitive proof that americans are unable to make cars. I expect this to be proven throughout all of history, because your argument is invalid unless you are able to do so.

5 seconds on what track? I looked at some lap times earlier and it was typically a maximum of 2-3 second difference on 2 minute tracks. That's still significant, but not nearly as significant as the $130,000 price differential (assuming the vette is fully loaded).

Your argument is so ridiculous. You want to compare engine displacement while completely ignoring the pricing? The base price of a Z06 is $75,000. Just because the engine size is similar doesn't mean that the $75,000 car should be compared to a car that starts over $300,000. Show me what Ferrari can manage in a $100,000 car. I wouldn't be so confident that it would be as impressive as the Z06. You apparently don't know how to compare cars. You don't compare based on where the car falls in the company's lineup, you compare based on pricing and performance. The RX-8 is arguably Mazda's top model... that doesn't mean it should be expected to compare to Porsche's top model or Ferrari's top model. The fact of the matter is, it is not a stretch of the imagination to compare the Z06 and the 458, despite the $130k price difference. If you don't find that even a little impressive, then your views are too skewed to be relevant.

Btw, take a look at the ZR1... It's only $110,000 and closes the lap time difference on some tracks and even performs better than the 458 on a few. Even if we assume a 1 second lap time difference, that's not a $110,000 difference.

Grace_Excel

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It remains a mystery why the Z06 still employ a transverse leaf-spring rear suspension while the Mustang use live axle isn't that cave man engineering? Anyway, Keiichi Tsuchiya's word is golden, he is The Man!!!

nycgps

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they did explain why they still use leaf springs. I forgot where,I saw it a long while ago.

but it was just pure bs, the frame is garbage to begin with. they can't change "too much" or else those "die hard corvette fans" gonna cry and say no more Corvette.

Ferrari's high price tag has a lot to do with their Brand, comparing Ferrari to GM is like Comparing Hermes to LeSportSac. Ok, maybe comparing Hermes to Nike. but of course, Ferrari has almost all of the cutting edge technology and expensive parts like carbon fiber everywhere, while GM use cheap plastic/garbage in their 75,000 car. I sat in a GT-R before while it's still "very plastic", it's way more refine than Z06's interior.

when you buy a Ferrari, they want you to take some Ferrari hosted course, it explains how to drive their car safely.

8 Maniac, when you start comparing price tag vs performance, a lot of lower priced car can do the same. like on Top Gear said RX-8 has same laptime as a M3, and you can buy 2 RX-8 with M3's money. Does that means M3 suck ? no, not at all. it's a nice car.

deadphoenix52

you can throw all the tech specs and lap times and what not at me all day. id still choose the vette. i dont care that the ferrari is faster, better looking, better built, and has a wayy better name. i want the corvette.

in the same way that someone could offer me a trade, FD+cash for my FB, and theres absolutely no way in hell id do it. ever. the FB is more fun.

Chad D.

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My neighbour has an Italia, I drove it two weekends ago, and it's absolutely retardedly sweet. I pick the vette, for the cost of the italia, you could get the z06 and another car on that list!

Roidz

I'm not saying the corvette is a better car than the Ferrari. I'm just saying I want the corvette to win 'the best driver's car' award. The fact that it outperforms cars 3 or 4 times it's price is nothing short of amazing and it's a car that I can actually afford whereas the Ferrari isn't. I love Ferrari's and the F430 is, imo, one of the best looking cars ever made, but the 458 isn't, I think it's kinda ugly, but it's still an amazing machine. And for those of you who say the corvette can't handle and is only good for going fast in a straight line, that is complete bs, the fact that it beats the 458 around the 'ring shows that.