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Chad D. 04-25-2010 11:52 AM

Any way to mount in fwd -12b/13b/MSB???
 
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I have a 1967 Austin 1100 4dr that I bought originally to put a badass motor in - ie:wankel. Problem is it is a few inches wider than a mini and fwd. I started my project and during teardown I bought a RX-8 and have spent my time with that for the past couple months. Now back to the old car. I have contacted Kennedy Engineering for some well needed info and product advice but I was wondering if anyone here had any additionnal information to help me out.
I would really like for it to remain a fwd vehicle. I have the engine bay totally empty, front subframe out. Now I'm hoping for some info (hope this can be done) or I'm just going to put in a or 1.6l prince or v-tec = last result.
The car:
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A wankel in a honda-------:smoker: -----it has been done.
http://www.rx7club.com/attachment.ph...6&d=1145148370

also posted at http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.ph...97#post9955097

StuttgartRX8 04-25-2010 12:41 PM

here you go I remember seeing this on honda-tech

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2274994

zoom44 04-25-2010 01:01 PM

You just need the rigth transaxle. Kennedy should be able to hook you up. Of course MazMart might have like a kudzu transaxle you could use

paulmasoner 04-25-2010 01:05 PM

???

http://blogs.nyu.edu/blogs/amb719/ab.../kudzu-car.jpg

lolz

Chad D. 04-25-2010 01:18 PM

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He has it mounted to a kseries transmission. I wonder if it's 5 or 6 speed. That car is badass and this super mega fab work creation is a bit more than I am looking at. I don't think I am looking into turbo.
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Chad D. 04-25-2010 01:24 PM

not kudzu vines hooked up to a honda paul! lol
kudzu
http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/ot...93610118wa.jpg

I'm thinking I can make this happen.

paulmasoner 04-25-2010 01:27 PM

ya but it was funny :)

gl!

bse50 04-25-2010 01:40 PM

For rear engine, rear wheel drive set-ups the Renault UN5 transmission is a good swap. So it can definitely be done up front :)
You should PM PhillipM, he will probably be able to hook you up and possibly even help with the bellhousing.

Chad D. 04-25-2010 03:02 PM

I don't know how available the Renault UN5 transmission is?
My mother drives a Renault Euro Clio and the parts are very hard to find.

khronus79 04-25-2010 03:30 PM

Mazda did it in the late 60s early 70s on the Luce R130 rotary coupe(the most beautiful Mazda car ever), the configuration they used was a longitudinal mounted engine:ylsuper: instead of the old boring transverse one. Parts are hard to come by but they do come by once in a while, check Japanese auction sites and you might get lucky.
Here's a pic of the R130 engine/transmission.
http://www.mazda.gr/rotary_history/r.../n-photo05.jpg

khronus79 04-25-2010 03:40 PM

by the way, you will have more luck if you search under mazda M13P in the Japanese or Australian sites.

PhillipM 04-25-2010 04:17 PM

Whilst a flipped UN5 would be the strongest option I think it's overkill for your application - and I'm not sure if the bonnet would be long enough to mount in longitudinally? I can get the measurement from the diff centre to the end of the engine if you like.
Personally I'd stick it on a Peugeot BE gearbox, easy to adapt, but I think they'd be a right pain to find over there.

bse50 04-25-2010 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by PhillipM (Post 3534695)
Whilst a flipped UN5 would be the strongest option I think it's overkill for your application - and I'm not sure if the bonnet would be long enough to mount in longitudinally? I can get the measurement from the diff centre to the end of the engine if you like.
Personally I'd stick it on a Peugeot BE gearbox, easy to adapt, but I think they'd be a right pain to find over there.

We are so lucky to have you here in Eu Phil! with your machining skills a bellhousing adapter is never a problem :ylsuper:

PhillipM 04-25-2010 06:24 PM

Big hammer and a chisel and everything fits!

Chad D. 04-25-2010 09:00 PM

what Peugeot or I guess citroen vehicles do I find the BE gearbox in? My searches are pretty dry, except for mad expensive race application stuff.
*my car is not very wide at all.

PhillipM 04-26-2010 03:59 AM

Hmm, so you'd struggle to fit it transversely too then?

Chad D. 04-26-2010 04:37 AM

I'm not sure/ I'll get a mesurement when I get back from work later.

khronus79-I would go with that option if that engine wasn't so freaking expensive. That's more of a colectors item then a weekend warrior product.

Chad D. 04-26-2010 06:01 PM

My engine bay is 3ft wide and 1ft 4inches deep.
I'm going to my monthly mini meet, I'll see what the guys think/

paulmasoner 04-27-2010 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by bse50 (Post 3534759)
We are so lucky to have you here in Eu Phil! with your machining skills a bellhousing adapter is never a problem :ylsuper:

speaking of trannies and bell housings... wtf has no one thrown out a good idea yet for a tranny on the 8? I havent looked yet. But there's got to be a decent answer out there that isnt the FD tranny, or a purpose design(race/$$)

bse50 04-27-2010 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by paulmasoner (Post 3536744)
speaking of trannies and bell housings... wtf has no one thrown out a good idea yet for a tranny on the 8? I havent looked yet. But there's got to be a decent answer out there that isnt the FD tranny, or a purpose design(race/$$)

There are t56 adapter plates and bellhousings out there for the Fd3s market, it shouldn't be hard to swap one.

Chad D. 04-27-2010 01:05 PM

...at the mini meet many things were discussed. If I can find a decent fwd bellhousing/transmission swap I'm on it. If I were to do a rwd transfer I would possibly go with the msb, length of the longblock may be a problem. RWD conversion just has that much more thought to be put into the rdiff, I would probably go with a cushman 9inch and swap the gears....Any ideas? I want this build to go right, and who knows? Maybe dgrr will have an Austin to add to the mix next year.

Chad D. 05-15-2010 12:44 PM

Looks like it has come down to one engine per drive type, much serious thought has gone into it and if I end up taking the easy way out if gonna mount a honda H22A1 for standard front wheel drive. I have been entertaining the idea of a awd powered by Nissan Pulsar GTiR SR20DET, this would obviously be the most radical. And since measurements have proved a wankel won't fit sideways I am mostly leaning toward a 12b considering the age of the car, a 13B-MSP would be really awesome but I am not to sure if the electronics end of it would give me a migrane or not.
Just sold my 13B-REW. I think it is just way too much for this dinky car, got a good price for it. (It was from my 94 r2 that got assed 9 yrs ago)

bse50 05-15-2010 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Chad D. (Post 3559886)
Looks like it has come down to one engine per drive type, much serious thought has gone into it and if I end up taking the easy way out if gonna mount a honda H22A1 for standard front wheel drive. I have been entertaining the idea of a awd powered by Nissan Pulsar GTiR SR20DET, this would obviously be the most radical. And since measurements have proved a wankel won't fit sideways I am mostly leaning toward a 12b considering the age of the car, a 13B-MSP would be really awesome but I am not to sure if the electronics end of it would give me a migrane or not.
Just sold my 13B-REW. I think it is just way too much for this dinky car, got a good price for it. (It was from my 94 r2 that got assed 9 yrs ago)

Have you thought about using a Fiat engine? A single cammed one (from the old fiat 128 onwards) or a 5 cylinder... You can turn a fiat 128 engine into a 15000rpm 210whp monster...
The 5 cylinder 2 litre engine is another beast and was sold both in NA and turbo trims.
They all were meant for or used in FWD applications. Basic electronics, tons of parts.
I have some links i could share, let me know!

Chad D. 05-15-2010 01:08 PM

I don't like fiat. If it came down to it i'd get a cosworth, but availability and accessability is zenith.
I have access to the cars/motors i've mentionned. I do have a budget (the 8 takes most of it) and selling my high output rew makes things a little more realistic.

bse50 05-15-2010 01:14 PM

The fiat engines i'm mentioning are top grade, rock solid engines still used in many rally cars.. not the crap they sell now!


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