Acura TL Concept
05-08-2003, 04:09 PM
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no, it's not that, but the idea that they'd try to... i just can't see it.
PS: i'd say if BMW or Porshe tried it, things would be a bit more interesting (Honda just doesn't seem to "get it" with their other cars)... but the RENESIS is just pristine, and with all the patents Mazda must have on that sucker, everyone knows it's a lost cause before you begin (unless some manufacturer buys the entire RE development team away from Mazda, which i know would be impossible)
PS: i'd say if BMW or Porshe tried it, things would be a bit more interesting (Honda just doesn't seem to "get it" with their other cars)... but the RENESIS is just pristine, and with all the patents Mazda must have on that sucker, everyone knows it's a lost cause before you begin (unless some manufacturer buys the entire RE development team away from Mazda, which i know would be impossible)
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05-08-2003, 04:15 PM
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Re: Acura TL Concept
Originally posted by RotorGeek
Have you guys seen the new TL. It has camaras for rearview mirriors. It looks pretty bad ***
Have you guys seen the new TL. It has camaras for rearview mirriors. It looks pretty bad ***
05-08-2003, 04:25 PM
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I remember seeing a television program showcasing concept cars. And they stated that the rear-view mirrors must be a flat "Mirror", therefore, no concave/convex mirrors, or cameras.
then again laws might have changed since then.
then again laws might have changed since then.
05-08-2003, 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by wakeech
no, it's not that, but the idea that they'd try to... i just can't see it.
PS: i'd say if BMW or Porshe tried it, things would be a bit more interesting (Honda just doesn't seem to "get it" with their other cars)... but the RENESIS is just pristine, and with all the patents Mazda must have on that sucker, everyone knows it's a lost cause before you begin (unless some manufacturer buys the entire RE development team away from Mazda, which i know would be impossible)
no, it's not that, but the idea that they'd try to... i just can't see it.
PS: i'd say if BMW or Porshe tried it, things would be a bit more interesting (Honda just doesn't seem to "get it" with their other cars)... but the RENESIS is just pristine, and with all the patents Mazda must have on that sucker, everyone knows it's a lost cause before you begin (unless some manufacturer buys the entire RE development team away from Mazda, which i know would be impossible)
for that reason i think honda could do a good job, not to mention the incredible bank roll they could put behind development. take a honda rotary motor and stick it in a mazda styled body... *whistles*
05-24-2003, 01:49 AM
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see, now the thought of bmw or porsche trying to do it makes me giggle. i can see how you can come to the conclusion that honda does not seem to "get it" when you look at their cars, they are first and foremost a company that builds motors. mazda is more along the company that builds cars, a more package deal type of thing. that's the way i see mazda anyhow.
for that reason i think honda could do a good job, not to mention the incredible bank roll they could put behind development. take a honda rotary motor and stick it in a mazda styled body... *whistles*
see, now the thought of bmw or porsche trying to do it makes me giggle. i can see how you can come to the conclusion that honda does not seem to "get it" when you look at their cars, they are first and foremost a company that builds motors. mazda is more along the company that builds cars, a more package deal type of thing. that's the way i see mazda anyhow.
for that reason i think honda could do a good job, not to mention the incredible bank roll they could put behind development. take a honda rotary motor and stick it in a mazda styled body... *whistles*
Why do you think Hondas have bland interiors? Why do you think they offer everything as a standard option, built into the car price?
Because they are in the business of making money. I mean let's face it... Honda doesn't have any innovations in their cars. We leave innovation to the companies that are more by nature -- niche. That's the BMWs, Porsches, Audis, Mercedes, Lotuses, and of course.... Mazda.
Honda makes a great car, at a good price but that's because their manufacturing methods are the cheapest, and MOST structured in the INDUSTRY. That's also why they have almost all of the top-selling cars in the US. They have a good marketing arm, reliable automobiles, that perform just as good, if not better than competition for less money.
But for them to 'invent' something that's truly revolutionary... well I don't see it happening. It's not creativity that makes you bucks in the automobile world. It's being the king of reliabilty and affordability like Honda has always been.
05-24-2003, 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Hercules
When all the rotary talent in the world works for only a few select companies, the immersion in development time (from scratch) would be tremendous for Honda to undertake to the point that it's stupid.
Why do you think Hondas have bland interiors? Why do you think they offer everything as a standard option, built into the car price?
Because they are in the business of making money. I mean let's face it... Honda doesn't have any innovations in their cars. We leave innovation to the companies that are more by nature -- niche. That's the BMWs, Porsches, Audis, Mercedes, Lotuses, and of course.... Mazda.
Honda makes a great car, at a good price but that's because their manufacturing methods are the cheapest, and MOST structured in the INDUSTRY. That's also why they have almost all of the top-selling cars in the US. They have a good marketing arm, reliable automobiles, that perform just as good, if not better than competition for less money.
But for them to 'invent' something that's truly revolutionary... well I don't see it happening. It's not creativity that makes you bucks in the automobile world. It's being the king of reliabilty and affordability like Honda has always been.
When all the rotary talent in the world works for only a few select companies, the immersion in development time (from scratch) would be tremendous for Honda to undertake to the point that it's stupid.
Why do you think Hondas have bland interiors? Why do you think they offer everything as a standard option, built into the car price?
Because they are in the business of making money. I mean let's face it... Honda doesn't have any innovations in their cars. We leave innovation to the companies that are more by nature -- niche. That's the BMWs, Porsches, Audis, Mercedes, Lotuses, and of course.... Mazda.
Honda makes a great car, at a good price but that's because their manufacturing methods are the cheapest, and MOST structured in the INDUSTRY. That's also why they have almost all of the top-selling cars in the US. They have a good marketing arm, reliable automobiles, that perform just as good, if not better than competition for less money.
But for them to 'invent' something that's truly revolutionary... well I don't see it happening. It's not creativity that makes you bucks in the automobile world. It's being the king of reliabilty and affordability like Honda has always been.
That being said, I agree that Honda often does play it a bit too safe in many of the markets it competes in ( a FWD TL, CL and RL...come on!).
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05-25-2003, 12:45 AM
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Re: Acura TL Concept
Originally posted by RotorGeek
Have you guys seen the new TL. It has camaras for rearview mirriors. It looks pretty bad ***
Have you guys seen the new TL. It has camaras for rearview mirriors. It looks pretty bad ***
05-25-2003, 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by Farsyde
Damn that kicks ***!!! If its true i would hope for a steady cam setup so the thing doesnt jitter like crazy and maybe even steering wheel controls for zoom!!! That would be great; i could spot to lawz tryin to sneak up on me. Maybe even justify a bumper stick that says "Your stupid driving caught on tape"
Damn that kicks ***!!! If its true i would hope for a steady cam setup so the thing doesnt jitter like crazy and maybe even steering wheel controls for zoom!!! That would be great; i could spot to lawz tryin to sneak up on me. Maybe even justify a bumper stick that says "Your stupid driving caught on tape"
To bring a TL to market with cameras and gizmos like that is not going to happen, though it's a nice way to lure people into checking out the car now and showing interest in what's liked, and what's hated about styling etc.
05-25-2003, 12:41 PM
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Don't knock Honda products, they sell like hot cakes for very good reasons. Honda makes the best FWD Japanese cars around, they build entry luxury vehicles at lower cost than competitions, manufactures V6 engins with tons of power for low cost, and has the reputation for building very reliable products. It's ignorant saying Honda does not have any innovations. They got a high revving engine in the S2k that Mazda engineers tried to duplicate with the Renesis. (check the engine specs) Their Integra and Civic Type R are very reliable and high performance cars that are fun to drive despite of being FWD.
05-25-2003, 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
They got a high revving engine in the S2k that Mazda engineers tried to duplicate with the Renesis. (check the engine specs)
They got a high revving engine in the S2k that Mazda engineers tried to duplicate with the Renesis. (check the engine specs)
But yeah, i agree with you that honda has nice products. They know what their doing.
06-03-2003, 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by revhappy
That's right the NSX, S2000, Integra Type R, RSX Type R (Japan), Civic Type R (Japan/Europe), CRX and even the Element were all just cookie cutter cars?
That being said, I agree that Honda often does play it a bit too safe in many of the markets it competes in ( a FWD TL, CL and RL...come on!).
That's right the NSX, S2000, Integra Type R, RSX Type R (Japan), Civic Type R (Japan/Europe), CRX and even the Element were all just cookie cutter cars?
That being said, I agree that Honda often does play it a bit too safe in many of the markets it competes in ( a FWD TL, CL and RL...come on!).
I think if any car company is guilty of being great but bland, it's Toyota. The Celica and MR2 are great cars, but Toyota hasn't had a true sports car in the US since the Supra (which, I will admit, was an awesome car). Lexus sedans, while top rated and reliable, tend to have less power than other luxury cars in the same price range.
06-04-2003, 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by FamilyGuy
...Lexus sedans, while top rated and reliable, tend to have less power than other luxury cars in the same price range.
...Lexus sedans, while top rated and reliable, tend to have less power than other luxury cars in the same price range.
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